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[TWoP Mars]

From HBO.com:

Running Time: 52 minutes
Genre: Drama
An ominous message from John strikes fear for Shaun's safety into the hearts of Imperial Beach denizens.

[Fisher King]

Go Barry....

[Hello Ball]

Bill and Freddy... Good Cop, Bad Cop? Er, no.

[the1casey]

I just want to say that tonights episode was really awesome. They're getting better every week.

[marleyfan]

I will have to watch this a couple more times. I felt really sorry for John when Bill was questioning him. I'm begining to think that John thinks he's Jesus. Who knows, maybe he is.

Cracked me up to see Bill, Freddy and Zippy together in that car. How nice of Zip to let Bill tag along.

Edited by marleyfan, Jul 29, 2007 @ 9:22 PM.

[lynch]

This episode makes me view John in a whole new light. He seems to be as confused as everyone else in the story. When he's finally confronted with direct question over who the hell he is and what he means, he gets this pained look of confusion. He's as much in the dark as everyone else.

[the1casey]

What was the deal with Barry and Shaun in the bar? Was Barry remembering what had happened to him at that age?

[Teawaddle Hill]

Awesome episode. But I need a revelation. Hopefully soon.

[AuntiePam]

Jesus Christ Jesus Christ! Is Milch channeling Timothy Leary? I give up. I don't care what happens to any of these people, and I no longer care who or what John is.

[Sullen]

lol, AuntiePam.

I'm pretty much just hanging in because of curiosity and some Butchie love. Not that I have much hope the curiosity is going to be satisfied.

Edited by Sullen, Jul 29, 2007 @ 10:18 PM.

[Justine2003]

I thought this ep was ok, didn't enjoy it quite as much as the past ones. It just didn't seem as quite as riveting to me. And, where's Mitch????? I miss him :(

Luckily next week's promo makes it look like he's finally back, though who knows if he will escape Cissy's violence ;)

[the1casey]

And, where's Mitch????? I miss him :(

He'll be back next week, unfortunately.

[TedSez]

So did anything actually happen in this episode? If so, I missed it. Sure, everybody talked and worried about something that <I>didn't</I> happen (although apparently it will next week). And we learned a little more about John's abilities (and his inability to understand much more about what he's doing than anybody else), and some of the relationships moved forward about .02 percent. But, really, if we had skipped this episode entirely, would we actually have missed anything? I don't think so.

[lanter]

As I was watching a marathon of the show "My Boys" today I realized that it has come to a point where even TBS is putting out more interesting shows than HBO is these days. For me watching JFC is like watching a really bad movie, I don't want to stick around for the end but I have already passed the half-way mark so I might as well see it through. What a waste of some real talent both in front of and behind the camera.

[Green]

This show makes me heave way too many exasperated sighs. I'm curious, but I'm also tiring of feeling like, "Here it is...something is finally going to happen...ooh, I'm feeling kind of nervous, this is probably going to be big..." and then, nothing. Again. Some more.

When he's finally confronted with direct question over who the hell he is and what he means, he gets this pained look of confusion. He's as much in the dark as everyone else.

I vasillate back and forth between thinking that's the case, and thinking that he knows but can't come up with a way to answer everyone's questions with his limited dialog. Somebody needs to turn on a tv or radio, STAT! Because his speech to Sissy after hearing the radio commercial was the most we've gotten out of him yet. He looked often like a person who knew what they wanted to say, but was frustrated because they couldn't come up with the words to say it.

I feel really bad for Cunningham. He seems like an incredibly sweet, kind and gentle person who has been so severely damaged that he's gone rather crazy. I like him with his bear.

Butchie's dialog with Tina at the bar was OUCH, but funny. "I wouldn't have time to eat." Ha! He's so mean to her, and I can't even muster up a "Hey Butchie, that's not nice" because I love his character so much.

I do wonder if Jennifer Grey's character is going to matter much somehow in the big picture? I am confused about the need for her presence right now.

[Harry7045]

Fish and visitors stink after three days. John's on day seven . . . .

[Gimme Stitches]

Jennifer Grey, is she the Yost family lawyer's wife?

When that third episode ended, with Shaunie skating on the half-pipe and some cool-ass Muse song playing that I had never heard of, I couldn't stop re-watching that sequence. I was so enthralled.

I liked the return of "I don't know Butchie instead" tonight.

[TreyMan]

Is there really ONLY 2 more episodes this season? B/c the previews def. haven't mentioned that rather important fact (for most HBO shows, the last 3 episodes of any given season are usually highlighted in the previews as such).

?

[Penn]

I was on the edge of my seat when Bill went into interrogation mode! You could tell he was putting all his cop skills to work on John. I also got the impression that John couldn't articulate a response, and it indeed gave him pain. The sudden self-stabbing was shocking! What was John trying to communicate with that?

Speaking of communicating, there were more technology snafus tonight: Shaunie's message to the store did not go through. Butchie, trying to reach Shaun, leaves a message that his "phone is fucked up."

Butchie to John: "Fuck the Internet John!"

(yes, because of course, the Internet isn't "Huge." just big.)

Ramon's shuffleboard court with the 10s at the bottom of the pyramid cracked me up. "You don't reward failure, Ramon!"

Edited by Penn, Jul 29, 2007 @ 10:42 PM.

[langdon]

I'm not any closer to figuring out what's going on (saving the big bucks to pay the person who can tell me, haha), but I still absolutely love this show. Every second that it's on I'm dreading the end, which always comes too soon. Maybe it's naive, but I'm keeping the faith until the bitter end with the hopeful assumption that all my questions will be answered. If nothing else it has certainly kept my brain from becoming dulled out which is what usually happens with summer programming.

Oh, Butchie. My love for you knows no bounds. Ditto Bill. And Ramon. And Shaunie.....every time he smiles it pierces my heart. These are the reasons I keep watching this show.

[kq338]

Jennifer Grey, is she the Yost family lawyer's wife?

She's his fiancee.

[Lila82]

The Snug Harbor has wireless internet? REALLY?

When exactly did Shaun turn fourteen. I swear everyone said he was thirteen for the majority of episodes, and suddenly he's a year older? And just finished the sixth grade? ? It started last week, and continued through this one. Huh?

Nasty as they are to one another, I really liked Butchie and Tina's attempt at co-parenting at the hotel bar. Tina's trying to form a friendship with Butchie as much as she's trying to be Shaun's mom, and it takes a lot to push aside his snide remarks to get along with her kid's father. Her offer to take Shaun to Sea World broke my heart as well. At fourteen, he's totally too old to go, and she's clearly trying to make up for a time when Shamoo was age appropriate but she wasn't there to take him. So many teenagers would run for their lives rather than show up at Sea World with their porn star moms, but Shaun just smiles and tries to make mom happy. Cissy did do something right -- she raised an amazing child.

I like the contrast of Kai losing faith in her love for the Yosts while John struggles with who he is and his father's mission for him. Just because she chooses to trust her heart against her better judgment, doesn't mean John will do the same.

Oh, Butchie. My love for you knows no bounds. Ditto Bill. And Ramon. And Shaunie.....every time he smiles it pierces my heart. These are the reasons I keep watching this show.

Brian Van Holt is truly a revelation on this show. All the acting is strong, even Rebecca de Mornay's blustery Cissy, but it's Van Holt that's holding the heart and soul of the show in every twitchy jerk and pained expression. I don't even care if we never find out who or what John is, so long as I can watch BVH's Butchie grow into a real boy. His scene with Shaun last week, when Shaun ruffled his hair and caressed his head rather than smack him, was one of the more poignant ones I've seen in a long time, and most of it was his acting.

And, where's Mitch????? I miss him :(

Me too! Very few characters on this show are likeable, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve character development like everyone else.

Edited by Lila82, Jul 29, 2007 @ 10:52 PM.

[Coravin]

this is probably one of the worst shows I have ever seen. here's hoping for a cancellation after the season is over.

[mchookem]

Gawd.

I've tried, every single week now for two months or whatever.

I'm just gonna have to stop b/c it's too fucking depressing that Deadwood and Rome were killed for this crap.

[jmz]

I'm absolutely shocked that somebody actually sat down, read this script and said, "we've just got to do this show". This is by far the worst thing HBO has ever done.

[thatguy01]

I was fascinated with all the anger with John.

Bill, Freddy, and Zippy staking out Chez Yost? Thank you, DM.

I miss Joe and the doc. I guess the doc would have been a damper of reason on the confusion at the Snug. I'd happily swap Joe for Dwayne.

Another day shot to hell in IB, thanks to John Monad. Cryptic messages, lost kids, then closing time. The Yosts are now 84 days in arrears, methinks.

Butchie looked weirdly out of place in the hotel bar, like he'd walked into a different show. I think he even looked clean.

Funny that Butchie was hugging himself and going fetal under the stress, and Cissy told him (not angrily AFAIK) not to start doing that again. The intervention line was hi-larious when Butchie came in.

Funny to see Kai carrying a flask. Why would John specifically tell Kai to stay for Butchie? John's father must not like her much. Fifteen years taking crap from Cissy, then a subconscious compulsion to help a three-days-clean junkie.

When exactly did Shaun turn fourteen.

He corrected Bill in the previous ep.

The Snug Harbor has wireless internet? REALLY?

I think he copied the file to the laptop. I'm more surprised that Dwayne owns a computer. Otherwise, I don't know why he'd use the rental at Trixie's "Hot Cup O Web" (TM NewsRadio) except for the occasional boob massage.

[the1casey]

I wonder if really Shawn did die in the accident and he was replaced by John with some spirit or such. I could see this happening in order to give the family time to fix their lives and problems before Shawn leaves for good... I mean, Shawn did just show up out of nowhere in the old bar... just like John does.

[crystalsage]

Butchie to all the people gathered in his room: "Hey if this is an intervention, I'm clean." ETA: "there's a bunch of people here who love you like crazy." Still can't figure it out, but I give them a solid 10 in style points.

[boomshakalaka]

This episode disappointed me. For the first time instead of wanting more I was left with more of a mild interest in reading a short synopsis of the last two episodes after they are over.

[Uncool]

Boomshakalaka, I've stopped watching and am only reading the comments and blog synopses myself. Much less frustrating than sitting through the episodes at this point in time.