Posted Jul 23, 2007 @ 9:41 PM
Posted Jul 24, 2007 @ 1:58 PM
Hmm, have to disagree. Having seen both now I feel Reaper delivered a much stronger and cohesive pilot, and the characters/friendships/dialogue were much more organic. Of course, Kevin Smith's knack for nailing slacker/underachiever workplaces and friendships probably helps with that. Chuck's Best Buy-type job environment felt derivative and fake. And Schwartz doesn't have nearly the grasp on the computer-geek subculture as he did (apparently) on the wealthy emo/comic-geek subculture.
Agree with this completely. Put me on the Reaper-is-vastly-superior train. This was the first thing I thought of when I finished watching both, before having even read this post: the characters of Reaper just feel more authentic to me in general.
In comparing the two, I think one of the biggest differences is the casts. I'm bored by most of Chuck's cast. Zachary Levi, Sarah Lancaster, the guy playing Chuck's friend, and the woman playing Sarah were all kind of blah to me. I do like Adam Baldwin a lot, but on the whole most cast members feel like poor man's versions of their Reaper counterparts. Ray Wise as the devil is reason enough to tune into Reaper, and I also love both Harrison and Labine from previous shows.
I also think Reaper's premise is cooler, if a little more simplistic. First of all, dealing with the devil is a lot cooler than some government in-fighting or something. Maybe I just got burned out on all the government conspiracy thrillers from last season. But also, Chuck is suddenly a prized government commodity, and that's always going to give him a bargaining chip that Sam of Reaper won't have. The gov't will have to listen to Chuck in a way that the devil will never have to listen to Sam; Chuck has a lot of power inherent in the premise, while Sam is essentially trapped. I guess I just find Reaper to be a much better underdog story.
All that said, I still thought the pilot was decent, and I'll probably watch. There were some great moments. I was just underwhelmed.
Posted Jul 25, 2007 @ 6:17 AM
Imagine season 5
"Chuck, what's up"
"That guy, he's wanted for illegally importing fish in 1994, get him"
Posted Jul 26, 2007 @ 11:02 AM
Isn't the major problem with this show, in story terms that his usefulness has a pretty short shelf-life. Sure he knows a crapload of secrets, but only up to a certain date. As the secrets gets older, the amount of stories they can launch get less and less.
Well, I think eventually they will start "feeding" information into Chuck. Someone was inputting all the secrets into the computer for analysis, and Chuck is now the computer, so I don't see why, once they've accepted Chuck (seasons from now, if the show gets that far; which it probably won't) they won't just give him files and files to read and process.
I do have to say I really enjoyed the pilot and I'm definitely adding this show to my "Watch" list. I'm not completely sold on the sister or Sara, the "oh so sexy" female agent. But as long as they keep the sister as a background character, it'll be fine.And I did enjoy Captain Awesome, but probably because I know someone who says awesome way too often.
Posted Jul 26, 2007 @ 6:19 PM
I liked the pilot, but I didn't love it. Everything just felt a little over the top, but not fun over the top like the O.C.. That said pilots are usually not the best indication of a show so I'm willing to watch a couple episodes to see how it goes.
Posted Jul 27, 2007 @ 12:38 AM
Posted Jul 27, 2007 @ 12:59 AM
Oh, no. This sucks. I agree with IllyriaB though I hate to wish ill on anyone, I hope she comes to an untimely end before the show does.
Only one thing I didn't like: Sarah Lancaster.
Off to look for the pilot.
Posted Jul 28, 2007 @ 7:52 PM
TV Guide, TV Squad, and BuddyTV all have basic accounts which are more descriptions/reviews of the pilot.
Ducky Does TV, Televisionary, and Zap2it have very good accounts of the actual panels, which were attended by Josh Schwartz, McG, co-creator Chris Fedak, Zachary Levi, Joshua Gomez, and Yvonne Strzechowski (unfortunately Adam Baldwin couldn't come because he was shooting). It sounds like they were all well received. Seat42F also has photos from the panel.
ETA: One more account from the Hollywood Reporter. Everyone seems to be getting Joshua Gomez's name wrong.
Posted Jul 29, 2007 @ 12:45 PM
Reaper has Ray Wise, but I like Adam Baldwin better. I think he's great in this role.
I like the premise (I liked Jake 2.0 too) and while the technology stuff is too good to be true, it's not pure fantasy stuff. Reaper is, I think, more clearly a genre show. I'm still leary about the American public embracing yet another genre show. Plus, Reaper is on the CW. On the one hand, they don't have much else and it won't have to get that big an audience to stick around. On the other, it appears hard for that network to attract any audience at all.
I like the lead in this show better than the lead in Reaper too. I found Reaper to be more slapstick than Chuck. or maybe its just lighter? I'm too old for the target demographics for either, and like I said, I enjoyed both and will actually probably season pass both, but I hope this one sticks around a while.
Posted Jul 29, 2007 @ 6:22 PM
I loved all of the characters. Not a weak link in the cast. Morgan and Captain Awesome (called that most likely because his favorite word seems to be "awesome") are both a riot. I hope that the latter becomes a regular (I don't think he is yet) because he is just too funny. He sort of feels like he was pulled from the How I Met Your Mother set, but he works here too, so I like him. The character interactions are great, as well. I love the scenes between Ellie and Morgan. They crack me up, just with the way that she seems to despise him so. And maybe it's just me, but I think he has a little bit of a crush on her, which if he does, is even more hilarious. And I think that Chuck and Sarah have great chemistry together, so I really hope that that goes somewhere. Because I don't feel like she was just pretending to like him on that date. I think that she genuinely did.
And it really is a funny pilot. I'm surprised that Chuck isn't classified as a comedy because it could be. One thing that is a little disappointing on that front is a certain scene near the end of the episode that may be the funniest scene of all is very likely going to have to be cut due to network censors and the like, especially with this show being in the 8:00 time slot. It's the scene when they run through the locker room and Chuck is totally disgusted to see all of the naked men there. I really don't see how that's gonna make it on network TV, unless they cut right above all of the naked men's butts. I really hope they keep the show more comedic because one of the big "twists" was way too easy to figure out: Sarah dated Bryce? Well, duh. As soon as she said "Bruce", I knew she meant Bryce, and was a bit dumbfounded to think that we probably weren't supposed to know that until the end.
But yeah, it's a lot better than I was expecting when I first heard about it, and I'll definitely be watching this fall. Let's just hope it doesn't pull a Studio 60 and make almost nothing but crappy episodes after that.
Posted Jul 30, 2007 @ 2:28 PM
And it really is a funny pilot. I'm surprised that Chuck isn't classified as a comedy because it could be.
Officially it may not be but one of the sites I was on last night that reports on shows like episode titles, premier dates that kid of stuff had it on the comedies page.
Edited by fifty8th, Jul 30, 2007 @ 2:29 PM.
Posted Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:43 PM
Edited by topdeck, Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:43 PM.
Posted Aug 2, 2007 @ 3:43 AM
That said, it didn't fare as badly as I thought.
I liked the fact that Chuck was stuck in a rut in his life (whereas Jake was more of a go-getter. Naive, but a go-getter nonetheless).
I did not like the whole blipvert-dawning-realization thing. I predict that this will become a crutch for lazy writing by about...ooh, the second or third episode.
Also comparing Chuck and Jake 2.0 makes it clear just how much Jake 2.0 belonged to the Whedon-angst story-arc school of writing. I actually found Chuck's lighter touch kind of refreshing.
Posted Aug 3, 2007 @ 12:20 PM
So I came for Adam Baldwin (hmmm, ok wait, that's wrong, heh heh) but I will stay for the hilarity that is Mr. Levi. I'd never even heard of him before this.
I've never seen Jake 2.O so can't even compare the two. How long did that show even run?
I think NBC is really behind this show and judging from all the post Comic-Con buzz, I think they've got a hit.
I just hope they can sustain the story, 'cause it has the potential to become terribly formulaic, which wouldn't be a good thing.
Posted Aug 4, 2007 @ 12:52 AM
The first is a general account of the panel, which was pretty much covered by previous reports. The second is an exclusive interview with Josh Schwartz, Chris Fedak, and McG, and is a little spoilery for the pilot. They talk about how Chuck came about and the direction they want to go with the show.
Posted Aug 6, 2007 @ 2:35 AM
TV.com has more Comic-Con coverage and a link to chuckssecret.com, a new promotional website that features clips, a link to Chuck's myspace profile, and other viral marketing campaigns.
Posted Aug 7, 2007 @ 3:41 PM
No kidding! If you count this one and his guest stint on Angel, it will be five in a row. The premise for this show looks awful! Still, for Adam Baldwin I will be tuning in for as long as it lasts. At least it seems to have a decent time-slot and the critics don't seem to hate it. If enough Heroes fans decide they like it, it may make it past November sweeps.
Oh, Adam Baldwin, what soon-to-be-canceled show have you gotten yourself cast on now?
It can't be any worse than the Sci-fi channel movie I sat through the other day for my Adam Baldwin fix. Speaking of which, does anyone know where the thread for those crappy Scifi channel movies has gone? I can't seem find it anymore, or was I just imagining it?
Posted Aug 7, 2007 @ 8:24 PM
Posted Aug 7, 2007 @ 9:42 PM
Also what the hell was with the pies in the info accessing visions?
Posted Aug 9, 2007 @ 1:15 PM
Loved the pilot, and especially in love with Yvonne Strzechowski - good lord she's beautiful, and she's smoking hot doing those action scenes. But I can't get over how obviously not-Sarah the ninja looked, and how the computer took a 4-foot drop and became damaged "beyond repair," even though the hard drive platters were obviously intact.
Edited by mrhooks, Aug 9, 2007 @ 1:18 PM.
Posted Aug 9, 2007 @ 2:45 PM
From executive producer, Josh Schwartz ("The O.C.") and executive producer-director McG ("Charlie's Angels," "We Are Marshall") comes a one-hour, comedic spy thriller about Chuck Bartowski (Zachary Levi, "Less Than Perfect") - a computer geek who is catapulted into a new career as the government's most vital secret agent. When Chuck opens an e-mail subliminally encoded with government secrets, he unwittingly downloads an entire server of sensitive data into his brain. Now, the fate of the world lies in the unlikely hands of a guy who works at Buy More. Instead of fighting computer viruses, he must fight assassins and international terrorists. With the government's most precious secrets in Chuck's head, Major John Casey (Adam Baldwin, "My Bodyguard") of the NSA assumes the responsibility of protecting him. His partner is the CIA's top agent (and Chuck's first date in years) Sarah Walker (Yvonne Strzechowski, "Gone"). They'll keep him safe by trading in his pocket protector for a bulletproof vest. Also starring are Joshua Gomez ("Without a Trace") as Chuck's best buddy Morgan and Sarah Lancaster ("What About Brian?") as Chuck's ever-supportive sister Ellie. Josh Schwartz and Chris Fedak wrote "Chuck," which is produced by College Hill Pictures and Wonderland Sound and Vision in association with Warner Bros. Television.
After watching this Pilot, this is already on my '07 TV Schedule. It was pretty damn good. My one fear was that Chuck would ultimately be a complete rip-off of Seth Cohen. Its probably not a coincidence that Josh Schwartz, Chuck Bartowski, and Seth Cohen are all "loser" Jewfroers with a love for Indie Rock music. Even the bad-ass (And I Mean Bad-Ass) Sarah Walker looks like a conventionally pretty 30-year-old version of Olivia Wilde.
The Shins close out the episode, which leaves hope for a great soundtrack. The rest of the episode was filled with a lot of Kasabian-esque energetic stuff. Theres almost a complete rip-off of The Bait Shop, though with the music club, though.
I also love John Casey. "He's looking up porn".
Even though, she's underdeveloped, I semi-like Sarah Lancaster (Scrubs' Gift Shop Girl) better than Morgan. Morgans slightly over-the-top, I thought. Captain Awesome has potential for a great Supporting Character, if he gets developed.
I'm going to 100% bet that Bryce Larkin is not dead. Come on, you don't cast Matthew Bomer for a five minute action scene. Especially if you've built up who he is by having everyone talk about him. I'm also betting Chuck's ex-girlfriend Jill will show up sometime. (Its kind of odd that Josh Schwartz ALSO has a girlfriend named Jill. Hmm.)
The action scenes were pretty well-done, I thought. Although, the fire in the first one looked quite fake. The ending of the show is a complete rip-off of Alias with him not being able to tell his friends about his CIA adventures. I'm willing to bypass it, though.
Edited by Hendrix, Aug 9, 2007 @ 2:56 PM.
Posted Aug 9, 2007 @ 2:52 PM
My one fear was that Chuck would ultimately be a complete rip-off of Seth Cohen
I have the same fear. I think Levi is a good actor (and definitely the right guy for the part) but Brody was able to master Seth and find the right balance between semi-loser and too cool for his own good while always brining the sarcasm. I hope as the episodes progress and as Josh further develops Chuck and adds depth and dimentions to his character he will become less like Seth and more like his own character.
I don't fault Josh for writing what he knows, I just hope it doesn't hurt him the end. I can think of another great writer who just loves to create extentions of himself and essentially write about the tortured writer and drug problems and look how well the tv industry has turned out for him lately.
Posted Aug 9, 2007 @ 9:57 PM
That thread is here, Ammit, but nothing about Sands of Oblivion (which I assume you're talking about). We did discuss that briefly in the Firefly thread, though as you can imagine, wasn't much to say.
I think some talk about crappy SciFi movies went in the Sci-Fi Channel thread.
Topic? I'm looking forward to watching this show on the little screen on my computer since can't watch TV monday nights and no DVR. A little confused by the mention of "pies" since I am also awaiting Pushing Daisies, which features pies. Would love to see the Chuck pilot to see if it will be worth it...
Posted Aug 10, 2007 @ 3:21 AM
I got Seth Cohen vibes from Chuck as well, although I thought Chuck was far more charming and likable. Their clothes, mannerisms and diologue were almost too similar. This was only from 43 minutes worth of material though, Chuck hasn't even been completely developed. Future episodes hopefully we'll see more layers from him, as long as their not as obnoxious as SeasonTwo!Seth.
Zachary Levi however, is perfect for the role. I've been checking out a few interviews with him, he seems like a really great guy as well.
Edited by violetion, Aug 10, 2007 @ 3:25 AM.
Posted Aug 11, 2007 @ 3:24 PM
Posted Aug 18, 2007 @ 12:27 AM
Anyways, I went to the panel, and the pilot was hilarious stuff.
Edited by Pat Agonia, Aug 18, 2007 @ 12:35 AM.
Posted Aug 18, 2007 @ 5:41 PM
I loved The O.C., and I wanted to follow Josh everywhere, but this premise didn't sell me at all, and I think that's because a lot of the early summaries and such painted it as straight action show, and I thought it sounded way too...not straight...to be that. When I found out it was a bit more ironic in tone, I was sold.
Finally saw the pilot after a glowing review from a friend and the strong reviews from everyone else, and I really liked it, far more than I expected to even with the good reviews.
To me, it's definitely got Josh's fingerprints on it, but it's not derivative of The O.C. in any large sense (though I love that Darryl from that show works at Buy More). It manages, also, to mesh the comedy and action in a way that doesn't seem campy or silly. It's hard to pull effective tone shifts a lot of times, but this one does it, probably because the action sequences are so stylized.
I worry about the long-term shelf life in terms of creative (I actually think it has potential in the ratings, not as a huge smash, but as a solid Monday lead-in), but I'm thinking really long term. Right now, it all looks good. The music included.
Posted Aug 19, 2007 @ 12:42 PM
So Chuck to me is a Alias with humor and with a lead character that has a personality.
The show is totally on my "must watch list" since it has a lot of promise, great characters, goof acting, goofy humor, twists, action and Adam Baldwin for crying out loud!
My comments about the pilot
Whatís up with NSA having no problem killing a CIA agent? What does NSA stand for? National Security A--? Are they a Jack Bauer type where Nationís security comes before anything even innocent lives.
2. I should have picked on the Bryce being Sarahís boyfriend from the Bruce hint. I actually love that twist.
3. My favorite parts of the episode are:- Chuck being the medium between the NSA and the CIA
- Car chase
- Ninja in the living room!
- Everyone recognizing the porn starís name even Casey
- Bald Chinese guy and Dr. Captain Awesome
- The ending with spies at Buy More. Iím so excited to see Casey there.
4. Things I didnít like
- Ballet part to show Chuckís nice side
- The part where he sees the bad guy at Large Mart. To me that was bad acting from Leviís part.