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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 2:30 AM

Just watched the first episode of this new ITV series (which is damn near a SciFi shoo-in, I'd think) and didn't mind it too much. The presence of S Club 7 singer Hannah Spearrit had some people worried, with the assumption being that the producers were trying to recreate the success the BBC had with Billie Piper in Doctor Who (Primeval is being bandied around by ITV's programming wonks as their Who-killer; cunningly, they've chosen to air it six weeks ahead of the new series of Who episodes.)

The good: Hannah Spearrit, who's just too cute for words -- she's a pixie, dammit. And she gets to play with the cute lizard. Solid CGI of beasties. Some fun ideas. Gorgonopsis on a rampage.

The bad: some weak CGI, Stupid Science, Stupid Plotting, Stupid People (something is going bulldozer in the hallways. Do you a) Go look b) Get the fuck out by any means possible?) Lead scientist and Special Forces guy step through a time anomaly to go 250 million years into the past, taking with them no special gear and no frickin' recording equipment, not even a camera. That had me in yell-at-the-screen mode.

Overall, it's a lot weaker than it really ought to be, and much of the cast plays it flat, which really saps the energy of the show and exposes the weaker elements. There's an intriguing mystery introduced, but no real sense of urgency -- lead scientist Cutter spends his time angsting about his missing wife (who apparently has been traveling to the past regularly) rather than fretting about the potential lethal effects of lifeforms from prehistory suddenly turning up in the present. Hopefully it'll get better, although I suspect I might implode if they repeat some of the stupider parts of this episode.

Next week it's giant creepy-crawlies in the sewers and Abby in her underwear. I'll be there for the latter, probably repeatedly.

Edited by Wyldemusick, Feb 11, 2007 @ 3:18 AM.

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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 9:36 AM

And off I go to find a new piece of cheesy goodness to fill the void left by Torchwood and Robin Hood in my heart. Thanks.
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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 11:53 AM

Looks like a watchable series. The girl (Hannah Spearrit) and the flying lizard were way cute, the Gorgonwhatsit rampaged satisfyingly but the student guy was mostly irritating and needs to wash his hair asap. The wife mystery is angsty and not terribly interesting.

The acting is a bit dodgy here and there and the CGI effects are so-so.

Next week's preview looks okay though I see that they could not resist falling back on that old classic; the bitee and illness which needs to be identified sooner than yesterday or the bitten dies.

Oh yes, the obligatory bureaucrat while mildly annoying was good for a few laughs.
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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 1:09 PM

I liked it myself. I found it a lot more interesting than Robin Hood, to be honest. Looking forward to the next few weeks.
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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 2:03 PM

Definitely more interesting than Robin Hood was -- after one episode of that series I had no desire whatsoever to continue watching. This, despite points that caused me to complain, has me intrigued, and I do like Spearrit's character. I just hope she's not going to be spending the series being in jeopardy to make the stories happen.

Cutter's gung-ho assistant puts me in mind of Doomwatch, oddly enough.
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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 4:23 PM

The dinosaurs don't really interest me at all but I'm intrigued by the possibility that Cutter's wife is not just some damsel in distress but - well - a bit of a bitch, who has run off to do something dubious in prehistory, leaving him to grieve and now taunting him about it. Maybe that's not what's going on, but it could be and I quite like that idea.

Henshall: sexy. Home Office woman: possibly cool. Bureaucrat/Ben Miller: silly, original (pre-Angel) Wesley and pointless. Other characters: whatever.

It's very ITV, isn't it, from the titles onwards - it just somehow says Brian Clemens/Brian Eastman all over it.
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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 4:56 PM

but the student guy was mostly irritating and needs to wash his hair asap.


Ha, that was my first thought upon seeing him. Wash your bloody hair!

Hannah Spearitt was surprisingly good. It's nice when you go into something expecting the worse, because most of the time it can only be better than what you anticipated.

On a shallow note the Steven guy was hot.
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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 6:54 PM

It's very ITV, isn't it, from the titles onwards - it just somehow says Brian Clemens/Brian Eastman all over it.


Egad, yes. Or something Terry Nation might have produced, had he an actual budget (they spent a million quid an episode on this. I wonder where that went?)

On a shallow note the Steven guy was hot.


Steven March. He's the one who reminded me of Dr. John whosit from Doomwatch -- the go-to, arse-kicking kind of guy with a debonair edge (although this character apparently only goes so far as having a stack of GQ in his lav.) Just the sort of bloke you want to have around when you need to run down a Gorgonopsid with an SUV.

Alas, Cutter is no Quist. He's got a little of Bernard Quatermass in him, though, although the good Doctor Q. would by now have smacked Cutter over the head with his pipe and told him to get on with matters before all hell inevitably breaks loose.
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Posted Feb 11, 2007 @ 7:51 PM

This moved along at a nice pace. The dinosaurs were good, becuase it is a family show, I suppose it would be too much to show the Chompyosauris pouncing and devouring all the dog walkers, hikers and scout troups that would actually be infesting these woods in real life.

But Hannah was cute and her new pet flying dinosaur is cute as a button, bopping along to the lift music.
Head Dino Doc was smoldering in that sort constipated face sort of a way.
His hunky assistant either has push up on the charm or acting or begin to lose his shirt.
The Junior Home office bod was charming enough, but Ben Miller needs to have better quips. My least favourite character is greasy conspiracy nut.

It seems quite fun and if the rumoured twist proves true then central mystery could prove interesting.
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Posted Feb 12, 2007 @ 5:50 AM

I dunno. It worked and it didn't. It's a charasmatic cast, great FX, a decent concept. But while the first episode had all that horrible premise setting up going on (considering the hype machine was bound to have been hitting the audience over the head with it for months in advance, maybe they should have started with the team already established a single newcomer joining/having it explained to them?), I'm much more troubled by all the little mistakes that make it look like they're just not paying attention.

Things like the kid seeing the dino out the window of his ground floor classroom window only for the assistant to later run away down some stairs. Or characters saying "you always say that" to each other when they just met two scenes previously. And considering this is a show with big time travelling dinos in it, it's a bit odd my suspension of disbelief is strained most by things like mothers who see the side of their house ripped out and then blame their kid for it.


The viewing figures for it are in, BTW, 6.7m apparantly.
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Posted Feb 12, 2007 @ 6:36 AM

I didnt know Hannah was going to be in it and I'm embarassed to say how long it took me to click it was her.

Overall I kinda liked the show. Sure the CGI sucked and the acting wasnt exactly what you would call good, but there was some eyecandy and a certain element of fun. I'll give it a couple of episodes to see if it settles down into something good. Not a bad start.

I found it a lot more interesting than Robin Hood, to be honest.


Yeh it was miles better than Robin Hood, but then again it isnt that hard ;)
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Posted Feb 12, 2007 @ 6:42 AM

Nearly everything is better than Robin Hood. Yeah, the mother apparently thinking her son did that damage was ridiculous, as was the silly "it's behind you!" "Where?" business with the teacher.
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Posted Feb 12, 2007 @ 6:50 AM

The weird thing about this show for me was that as I was watching it, I could kind of imagine the hypothetical TWoP recap in my head, and I was counting all the plotholes that a recapper would be picking out - and there did seem to be a lot.

I've already seen the second episode (I have a friend who works at ITV) and I prefer it to the first one, because it seems to flow better once they've got all the clunky exposition out of the way. However, a lot of people seem to think the second episode is far weaker than the first, so YMMV, I guess.

I want this to be good, but at the moment I have the same problem with this that I had with Torchwood - it has lots of potential and a capable cast but is being really bogged down by some horrible, horrible writing.
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Posted Feb 12, 2007 @ 11:08 AM

The viewing figures for it are in, BTW, 6.7m apparantly.


Not the Who-killer they want then, I'd say. I also wonder how many of that 6.7 million will be back for the next one.

Yeah, the mother apparently thinking her son did that damage was ridiculous


And nobody in the neighborhood registers than a seven-tonne dinosaur is ripping up one of the houses in the close, complete with huge roaring sounds in the process?

Meanwhile, I can see zoologists and herpetologists everywhere cringing at the sight of Hannah Spearrit running around with an unknown and potentially dangerous lizard specimen wrapped in a small blanket. Of course, if she'd followed the correct protocols for handling something like this, we'd never have gotten the bits with the lizard flying around and acting all cute.
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Posted Feb 12, 2007 @ 3:18 PM

I thought it was utter rubbish, but good fun. We'll be back next week. I've ficced on it already.

My son adores the little flying thingy.
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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 5:17 AM

The weird thing about this show for me was that as I was watching it, I could kind of imagine the hypothetical TWoP recap in my head, and I was counting all the plotholes that a recapper would be picking out - and there did seem to be a lot.


Let's give it a try:

Thankfully, the writers have a basic understanding of how a 'giant rampaging dinosaurs' TV show will be promoted so don't dick us around by being coy about what the Thing in the Woods is. Instead, we get a great big lizard chasing a woman, a Professor Cutter, around a car park from the very first shot. Eight years later another Professor Cutter, a palaentologist distinguished by his Y chromosome and his angsty pining for his wife (the original Cutter XX from the teaser, who's been missing ever since), is cornered by a student who has a report of a big monster less than a mile from where Cutter XX vanished.

Cutter XY and said student high tail it down to investigate along with Cutter XY's research assistant. After hooking up with a hot Home Office official in a hotel bar, they discover a half eaten truck full of mostly eaten chickens. Fortunately Cutter XY's assistant is an expert big game hunter and tracker (is Cutter the most forward planning palaentologist in the world or what?) and they follow the trail through the woods only to come face to face with a genuine, no-bullshit dinosaur.

While all this has been going on, Poor Man's Billie Piper is getting the sack from her job from the zoo despite being one of the world's leading reptile expert (hot teenager division) but takes on one last task for them - to pick up a rare reptile a young Anakinalike is unable to care for. PMBP is shocked that the 'reptile' is in fact a small flying dinosaur called Rex. So shocked, in fact, that her brain falls out her head and she takes a small child and the rarest animal in the world into the middle of the forest Rex was found in, just to look about. Because, y'know, if it runs off or anything she can pick one of those up almost anywhere. Oh look, it has run off!

Just as well, considering the giant dino that roars through the forest, makes them shit their pants, and chases Anakinalike all the way home and tries to make like Jaws and Robert Shaw only with beds, not boats. Fortunately, he manages to beat it off with his mad lightsabre skillz but is still stuck with a mother so stupid that she thinks he ripped off the side of the house himself. PMBP finally bumps into the Cutter Crew (they just died in your arms tonight.. must have been something you said) in time to confirm Cutter's view that the dino they've found is a veggiesaurus and find a big hole that's been punched in the fabric of space/time ("I don't want to say magic door"). They retrieve Rex and head back to Chez Anakin where they totally sell out the kid and act like he's crazy with all his dino talk (that's what you get for leaving PMBP to be eaten alive, chump. Bitch holds a grudge).

Cutter XY and PMBP get hauled off to London by Home Office Lady where Poor Man's Ben Stiller (who, funnily enough, is actually an actor called Ben Miller) tries to boss them around before he lauches into a "hilarious" setpiece that involves falling over, mugging, running around like a slack jawed idiot and, yes, dino poop. Jesus Christ. The upside is that if them made an episode that was 45mins of Rex bopping along to elevator muzak I'd probably watch it. Because that? Was CUTE. Back in the sticks, Meatasaurus is tracking down Anakin to his school and this obsession with little boys is making me think Meatasurus is a card carrying member of NADBLA. Anyhoo, it somehow shrinks down enough to comfortably fit in a school corridor (My God! It's a Slitheen!) and attacks Anakin and his teacher in a blur of poor continuity where the classroom can't decide what floor it's on. Fortunately, Cutter's assistant shows up and distracts it by running away a lot.

Cutter, meantime, returns to the Magic Door with a bunch of Stargate extras and voooms through to the ancient past. The bodyguard that's been sent with him doesn't seem to grasp the concept of being close to the body in order to guard it and just lets Cutter wander off on his own until some wobbling of the Magic Door gets him antsy and he goes looking for him. He finds Cutter XY at a destroyed basecamp containing Cutter XX's camera and a male skeleton that, strangely, doesn't have any of the crush damage you'd expect from entering one end of a dino and exiting the other. After some hideously macho bullshit, Cutter XY is literally dragged back through the Magic Door just before it sputters out completely.

It's at this point that Meatasaurus pops up again to say "Hi!" (although it pronounces it "GaRRRRRAAARRGGHH!!") and completely fails to eat any extras. To be fair, though, the extras pump huge amounts of ammo into it with no effect so it's 0-0 there. But, lo! Here comes academic research assitant cum big game hunter cum hit and run driver man who preserves his boss's tenure (and arms, and legs, and head) by ramming Meatasaurus with an SUV. The dino's down for the count, but the SUV doesn't even have a scrape and I SO don't want one of those things on the same road as my kid (crumple zones save lives, people!). After finishing meatasaurus off with some more gunfire (and seriously, there's no point in my book in being all 'what about the children!?' about deaths onscreen if you're just going to put in so much "Guns rock!" crap in your show).

The Cutter Crew head back in London where Poor Man's Ben Stiller is relieved the crisis is over, but Cutter observes that this isn't actually a pilot and they've already been pre-commissioned, shatnering that "This! Is! Not! Over!" as the music goes crazy to persuade us that five more episode of this stuff is a good thing.

Home once more, Cutter XY looks through the photos from Cutter XX's camera - discovering that she's taken photo after photo of herself despite being in the fucking ancient past surrounded by fucking dinosaurs (which is like a 9.8 on the Cordelia Scale of Self Absorbment). But what's this? Someone has broken into his office and left him an early Valentine's - a million year old snail (Snails = True Love). Chasing the shadowy intruder he catches sight of her -- it's Cutter XX! Despite all his moaning all episode about doing anything to find her, everyone has their limits - Cutter XY's being crossing a road, cause chasing into the ancient past is one thing but she just totally stepped into the shadows. There's no coming back from that. Or maybe Cutter XY's just in shock about the fact that his wife seems to have been just dicking him around for the past eight years and has been perfectly okay the whole time!

NEXT WEEK: The writers put that persistent "Doctor Who rip-off" tag to rest by having spiders build a giant web in the London underground. Oh, and it's getting hot in here so PMBP takes off all her clothes. As you do.

Edited by Nuallain, Feb 13, 2007 @ 8:07 AM.

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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 7:48 AM

Nullain, that was awesome.

Was it just me, or is Cutter XY apparently able to hear the music cues? Possibly I'm just remembering it wrong, but I'm sure he leaves the office, at which point there's a shadow that he can't possibly have seen from where he was positioned, and a "something creepy is happening right now, yo" music cue just before he yells "who's there?" or whatever, so I assumed he'd been listening to the soundtrack.
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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 9:10 AM

HA! Brilliant, Nuallain!

So shocked, in fact, that her brain falls out her head

God, yes.

the Cutter Crew (they just died in your arms tonight.. must have been something you said)

Hee hee hee, I love this - let's call them that from now on.

NADBLA

Heh! Okay, going to stop quoting now, but that was a very funny recap-ette. I hope you'll be back!

I don't think Cutter XX took the photos herself - and she certainly seemed to be smiling happily at the person who did (the soon-to-be skellington?), not in a "oh noes I've been kidnapped to the past and may never see my husband again, I just hope he keeps looking for me especially if he ever hears about a magic door in the forest" way but more a "a-bwah-ha-ha, I'm kinda evil and when he eventually tracks me down he'll be heartbroken to realise I'm actually the prime mover behind a nefarious dinosaur-exploiting, time-messing-with, world domination plan, which may lead him to fall tearfully into the arms of the Home Office woman" sort of way. But I could be wrong.
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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 9:32 AM

Hee! Thanks everyone.

more a "a-bwah-ha-ha, I'm kinda evil and when he eventually tracks me down he'll be heartbroken to realise I'm actually the prime mover behind a nefarious dinosaur-exploiting, time-messing-with, world domination plan, which may lead him to fall tearfully into the arms of the Home Office woman" sort of way.


Of course! I should have seen that myself - you can't have two attractive age-appropriate women on the same show as your male lead without one of them turning out to be eeevil so he can boink the other one guilt free. That's TV 101 right there. And, of course, since one is capable, tough and has brains to burn and the other one is kind of bland with a City and Guilds in Excellent Questions, it's obvious the capable, independent one will be the evil one.
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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 11:33 AM

Unless they're going for a love triangle: Excellent Questions loves Cutter XY but he's obsessed with his mystery wife but Kraven the Hunter/Fossil Gatherer loves Excellent Questions but she doesn't know etc etc.
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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 1:54 PM

I saw the Sunday repeat of this and it was okish, just kind of produced a "meh, fine, whatever" reaction, as someone said, very ITV. The science was stupid but that hasn't stopped 40 years of Who or any other British sci-fi shows so it doesn't matter too much. I thought it was very obvious that it was trying to ape DW, whilst trying to be very different (honest!) though.

The graphics were rubbish, honestly, I though ITV did better with "Prehistoric Park" last time around, at no point were they anything near convincing Dinosaurs.

Hannah Spearitt looked cute, but Billie Piper has nothing to worry about for her in terms of acting or screen presense, I never believed she was really a big expert in lizards, but she does have the potential to improve, the others were all fine, nothing really standout IMHO. I liked the inclsion of Ben Miller though, even in a rather generic role. 6.7 million isn't the number they were hoping for, I bet, its more like what "The Bill" and "wild at Heart" get for a fraction of the price, but it could build up later on.

NEXT WEEK: The writers put that persistent "Doctor Who rip-off" tag to rest by having spiders build a giant web in the London underground. Oh, and it's getting hot in here so PMBP takes off all her clothes. As you do.


Heh, lets be fair there can't be that many sci-fi/fantasy plots DW hasn't done over the years, in fact I'm no expert but I think they've ripped themselves off many times over. So are the "team" just going to become generic "experts that sort out weird stuff" now?

Edited by Featherhat, Feb 13, 2007 @ 2:42 PM.

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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 2:40 PM

So Funny Nuallain

Edited by Rational Plan, Feb 13, 2007 @ 2:41 PM.

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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 6:17 PM

Hee Nuallain that was great. I hope you plan to continue next week. CutterXX's photos are so funny. They were such tourist snaps, I was half expecting one with her arms around a dino or something.
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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 7:28 PM

Word on XX's dumb photos. Dude! You're in a friggin' lost world. Perhaps it's time to use your film on pics of the prehistoric scenery, or dinosaurs instead of:

"Oh yeah, this is me by the prehistoric mountain. You obviously can't see the mountain because my ginormous sunglasses ate it. Also, there's a dinosaur in the bottom left hand corner of the picture, but due to the fact that I'm not wearing a bra under my saggy vest, you won't be noticing that either. Hey, check out my tan!"

I got a real Captain Jack vibe from the Great White Hunter dude, though. It must have been that metrosexual glowering he did at the fidosaurus.

Also, the music choices were a little strange. "Monster" playing when SClubThingy was driving down to see the dragon fly was an appropriately themed touch, but what's with the rock and roll country twang when the dragon was causing a ruckus in the Home Office?

Generally, I didn't think it was that bad, and yes I will be watching next week because I love me some spiders.
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Posted Feb 13, 2007 @ 9:18 PM

Oh, God, nuallain, that had me pissing myself. Genious!!
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Posted Feb 16, 2007 @ 12:40 PM

Nuallain, that was brilliant. I actually shed a tear from laughing so hard. I have to say that I'm pretty plot hole resistant (given that I really don't care much about plot anyway) but even I noticed some great gapping wholes in this one. The episode was good fun, if full of cheese. I'll probably stick around for a while. And on a side note I'd completely forgotten about the existence of S Club 7 until I saw Hannah Spearritt. Then I remembered it and the fact that even as a teen I thought it was horribly cheesy.
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Posted Feb 17, 2007 @ 3:07 PM

Has Cutter had a stroke, or did he go the the Marlon Brando school of mumble-acting?
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Posted Feb 17, 2007 @ 3:21 PM

Damn, I was all hopeful for a minute that we had got rid of geek boy. He's irritating. I like Cutter XX's random appearences though.

The centipede freaked me out a little, I have an isue with bugs and giant ones were not good for me.

Not bad. An improvement over last week but the horrible awful way the "authorities" handled the situation was a bit muvh for even me to take.
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Posted Feb 17, 2007 @ 3:30 PM

I am ridiculously excited over the giant crocodile snafling the guy diving into the pool in the promo for next week. How frickin' awesome did that look!?

And Geekboy has to be there, dippychik, for to make the "Obligatory Love Triangle". Every show must have one. It's the law.

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Posted Feb 17, 2007 @ 4:04 PM

That wasn't too bad an episode, even if I missed the some of the beginning stuff whilst getting my tea.

I really don't like creepy crawlies, the spider freaked me out slightly more than the centipede (I think it was the scuttling that did it).

Hannah Spearit's definitly doing better after S Club than some... I did get the giggles seeing her dance to 'Country Girl', but that might have partly been due to the fact I'd just watched the 'country' themed Dancing on Ice just before it...

So can't be bother with Cutter XX though.
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