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[Kim]

Kathryn is unable to get beyond the events of the robbery, although she returns to work in top form; Felicia tries to remember the events that occurred inside the bank.

[Cress]

That was really amazing. I liked how much the flashback revealed, especially about Kathryn's mother, and why the hostages might want to get her out first, instead of Felicia.

I was a little disappointed and confused when they said that Randall had survived, but at least the cop commented on how bad/unusual it was for the patient to be left alone.

The theme of tonight's show seemed to be about kids. Lizzie almost had a miscarriage and then told Jeremy she was pregnant. Egan wanted to try for kids. Kathryn helped Lizzie, then told her mother about her abortion, as if she regretted it now. Franny was upset about Ricky injuring himself. Most of all, Malcom was trying to protect Felicia from remembering.

I really enjoy this show and can't wait for more.

Edited by Cress, Oct 18, 2006 @ 10:07 PM.

[Dawnie_Faith]

Oh wow. I loved that flashback. I thought it was really tense because even though we knew who ended up okay and who didn't, we don't yet know how they ended up there. I loved how Felicia dove all around the bank - and also that it was Lizzie who was the one to actually finish the call.

I have to wonder how the cops knew where to go though. Did someone strategically call out the name of the bank at some point? Cuz, if they tried to trace the call, wouldn't they just get the cell phone? Or can you triangulate cell phone location? I vaguely recall something like that on CSI, but I'm not sure how realistic that'd be...

It kinda annoyed me that Randall lived through the heart attack, but if he still has a part to play, I'm interested in seeing it played out.

I thought the actresses playing Kathryn and Lizzie did a great job with a scene that could have been too corny for words (the hospital sonogram scene). Especially Kathryn's "Uh, no... I don't... But I can imagine." Heh.

ETA another thing about the flashback that I really loved was seeing Franny risk Randall's wrath to throw Egan his glasses. Already the bond between them was beginning to form, and that was very sweet to see. Oh, and her pleas to be the one to face the guy banging on the door made me like her character a lot more, along with the actual conversation they had.

Edited by Dawnie_Faith, Oct 18, 2006 @ 10:10 PM.

[Cress]

Did Kathryn at one point take a pill? Was it her mother's tranquilizer medicine?

Also, I was glad that Egan's wife didn't bitch him out about getting fired, or for "holding out for something better." I guess she's pleased with the severance pay. She even went out to dinner with him. But she got so upset when he talked about kids. Have they not been having sex for a while, or am I drawing too big a conclusion?

Edited by Cress, Oct 18, 2006 @ 10:12 PM.

[Dawnie_Faith]

Cress, I think they were her tranquilizers, not her mother's. Remember, when her mother was freaking out, she told Randall that she had some pills in her purse that might help her mother - not that she had her mother's medication...

[thuganomics85]

I also loved the flashback. And it was interesting to see that it was Lizzie who pushed the final button, and not Felicia. I also found it interesting how Jeremy refused to move the cop because of his injury, but Nick went ahead and did it anway. That kind of showed off their personalities, to me. Jeremy is always the doctor, trying to help the patient, while Nick is the cop, just trying to prevent anything bad from happening.

Glad that Chi McBride got more to do tonight. The scene out side the bank between Felicia and Malcom was pretty emotional. A little annoyed that Randall ended up living, but I am interested in seeing what it will go, when it comes to Nick and Jeremy.

I couldn't concentrate on most of Franny's scenes, because of her cleavege baring shirt. Thanks, wardrobe guys!

[Sarmoti]

Dammit, Randall, why won't you die? (Oh wait, that would kinda be bad for everyone, wouldn't it? Nevermind.)

I was kind of annoyed and confused by Kathryn being completely engrossed in Lizzie's pregnancy until she revealed that she'd had an abortion years ago, and then it made more sense. Up til that point, I was like "What's the deal with this and why should I care?" I sorta laughed when Lizzie asked Kathryn if she could hear the baby's heartbeat over the phone, and you think Kathryn's gonna say "Yes, omg!" but instead she just blurts out "NO." Heh.

Y'know, Egan, you could adopt a kid. Your wife and her uterus seem to be aging a bit, if ya ask me.

Franny was showing a bit too much boobage for a job interview. What would Monster.com say?

Not enough Lucas. :(

[Chipper730]

This show needs to survive. Three weeks on all cylinders. Wow.

I particularly enjoyed the flashbacks, but they were quite an infomercial for Motorola. I want a RAZR too now!
However, I'm pretty sure there has to be more to what happened to Felicia. It was a little anticlimactic.

Edited by Chipper730, Oct 18, 2006 @ 10:20 PM.

[Tiarasandboas]

It is required cell phones to have e911 capabilities which means they can be located within a 50 - 300 meters.

[ashleigh12]

I don't know what's trying to be built with this whole Lucas/Felicia dynamic here- I don't want to get too attached, because I'm a sucker for these sort of Lolita-like stories (ONLY in fiction, definitely not in real life- I ship Veronica/Lamb, that sort of thing), but I don't know if this show would actually 'go there'. But somehow, "Forget about me!", the whole Stockholm Syndrome angle...I think something might have happened.

[surfsup79]

Do cell phones work anywhere in "The Nine" universe? I liked tonights episode a lot more. The flashbacks last week was pitiful but tonight it had its A game. I like all the relationships that the people seemed to have created. Love Egan and Franny. I don't like you Ricky.

[lulee]

It is required cell phones to have e911 capabilities which means they can be located within a 50 - 300 meters.

Isn't that fairly a new law? And it would take the phone companies some time to comply. If her phone was a year or two old, it wouldn't have helped.

ETA: [geek]Plus I think all the phone trouble was a metaphor for their difficulty in keeping relationships going post 52 hours [/geek]

Edited by lulee, Oct 18, 2006 @ 10:24 PM.

[singmetosleep]

I love, love, love this show. Yes, I have to suspend disbelief. (How were there no cameras in the ICU? "I just wanted him off my floor." Gah.) But I don't care. Scott's Wolfe's horrendous presence and prick of a character on this show is something I'm just going to have to overcome, because the rest of it is gold.

THe flashback was great. Awesome, really. Not much else to say. All those little details in the shots were pitch-perfect.

Kathryn's mother? Is driving me crazy. Like all our mothers do. The Kathryn and Lizze connection is nice, even though I don't find myself caring too much about Lizzie (but her "scared in general" speech was quite nice.)

Egan and Franny were cute at the employment office.

Malcom and Felicia broke my heart. That scene with the 8 of them at the end? (The wife leaving... awww.) Tears. Loved it.

[Dawnie_Faith]

Thanks Tiarasandboas!

You know what else I really liked? The conversation between Franny and Jeremy. More specifically, the fact that they actually discussed the fact that they'd slept together recently. And even more than that, they discussed the potential ramifications (Franny apologizing for messing things up between him and Lizzie) of it! AMAZING! Two main characters in a serialized drama that is only in its third episode have discussed an angsty pity-fuck they had only two episodes ago - in a calm, sincere and rational way that didn't end with a decision to continue for as long as they could or to never be within arms length of each other again! Incredible. It was such an understated moment that could really go in any number of directions now and it completely blew me away.

[Fox]

Isn't that fairly a new law? And it would take the phone companies some time to comply. If her phone was a year or two old, it wouldn't have helped.

Her phone is a pink RAZR, which is a pretty damn recent one - it was a couple months after the plain ol' RAZR was introduced. (Apparently, everything good isn't great until you can get it in pink.) It should be complyiant, even if it was the first pink RAZR off the line.

[Slade2]

The opening flashback was great. Already mentioned here, the "little things" that happened between the hostages were terrific: Franny sliding Egan's glasses over to him, Lizzie finishing the 911 call for Felicia, Nick trying to stroke Randall's ego and keep everyone else quiet, Felicia running around, out of Randall's sight, Malcolm realizing Felicia is still in the bank.

I loved that Lizzie was the only one brave enough or paying enough attention to reach for the cell phone and make the call. And I loved that I didn't dislike anyone for either refusing to take the phone (Egan), discouraging her (Nick), or just not paying attention because they had their hands full (Kathryn, Jeremy). Eva and Franny were also good, even though I can't remember what they were doing. They just worked lying there next to each other.

I thought the actresses playing Kathryn and Lizzie did a great job with a scene that could have been too corny for words (the hospital sonogram scene). Especially Kathryn's "Uh, no... I don't... But I can imagine."

I was pleasantly surprised when Kathryn said she couldn't hear the heatbeat. Played differently, you're right, it could have been a very corny scene. Also from above, it was a nice surprise to see Egan's wife smile at Egan's excitement. At first, that scene reminded me of American Beauty with Kevin Spacey and I worried it would play out the same way.

I was disappointed by Jeremy's reaction to learning Lizzie's pregnant. Well, he had no reaction. And I wondered if that was Scott Wolf's fault - if he couldn't figure out how he wanted to play that scene, so didn't play it at all.

Lucas comes off as a real bastard in the bank, so I'm completely baffled by his character. What the heck happened that made him sympathetic? And I agree with someone below - there wasn't enough of him this week.

I didn't love everyone standing up in unison when Felicia and Malcolm walked into the room, but I did like that they showed up to tell her what happened. I also agree they left some stuff out. There must be more to her story. But like Malcolm, I don't think the others were there for it. I do, however, think Lucas was there.

I'm invested and will be really sad if this show is canceled before the season ends.

ETA:

Jeremy is always the doctor, trying to help the patient, while Nick is the cop, just trying to prevent anything bad from happening.

Well put.

Edited by Slade2, Oct 18, 2006 @ 10:46 PM.

[lulee]

Hmm, so they do product placement, but their product doesn't work? That's a mixed bag.

I liked the implications of the "I'm a cop." "I'm a doctor" conversation. They didn't say much but it was clear to me what they were thinking.

Egan and his wife had moments of happiness and it was nice to see him less schmucky/ dorky than at times in the first 2 eps.

I'm going to guess the get-together with the 8 remaining hostages didn't last too long. They probably didn't tell Felicia everything. It would have been too overwhelming.

Next week looks reallly interesting with Lucas refusing to help Randall and Lizzie going to see Lucas.

[Summer16]

Huge improvement over last week. I didn't want this episode to end. We not only got to see the 911 sequence, but then we get a satisfying ending where the group talk about it for Felicia.

I liked Frannie tonight. She was showed as caring and compassionate for others (when she went to the door instead of her sister, addressing what happened between her and Jeremy, bonding with Egan). I haven't really liked her character before tonight.

It was powerful to see Malcolm lose it with Felicia. It drove the point home how terrifying every minute of the ordeal was. And it was heartbreaking when we see the scene where Malcolm realizes Felicia is in the bank.

Good move to put the cover-up plot on the back burner and look at the other characters, and see Tim Daly doing other police things.

I know it's only episode three, but I'm relieved that I enjoyed this ep, as opposed to how I felt after the last week.

[shockey80te]

I actually didn't care for the flashback, but I thought the ep got much better as it went along. It's not that it was poorly done, it's just that everyone involved kept doing really stupid sh*T! Nick & Jeremy arguing over medical treatment, sliding cell phones, sliding glasses, sliding Felicia... it was a bit too unrealistic for me.


Pretty much every scene with Franny was excellent. I guess she and Doc Bailey have something going now. What the hell is she going to do with Ricky?

Annoying Lizzie's acknowledgement that Doc Bailey is really struggling was nice to hear. Plus, her conversation with the nurse (she's doesn't get paid to be a therapist ya know!) was actually kind of funny. As others have said, the scene with Kathryn was well done. Following that up with the Kathryn-Mom scene was pretty damn powerful.

I'm really starting to fell bad for Nick. The only reason he's a cop is to cover for other people's mistakes and now he has to cover for Doc Bailey too? Can he get a break already?

Loved Chi and the final scene. Less Egan could make the show better.

[lulee]

I was disappointed by Jeremy's reaction to learning Lizzie's pregnant. Well, he had no reaction. And I wondered if that was Scott Wolf's fault - if he couldn't figure out how he wanted to play that scene, so didn't play it at all.

I'll chalk it up to the character. They had drifted apart and I think he didn't feel close to her when she gave him this huge news. I think the distance between them was reinforced by the way Lizzie asked if he had "a second" (or was it "a minute"?) and they sat in a public area, not out of the way at all for her to share this big news. I think he was understandably kind of thrown by her news and feels detached from her.

[Duffman10011]

It was a good episode, this one, but I wasn't as thrilled as I was in the past. Felicia came off as a bit shrill to me tonight. I realize her predicament, but...maybe the actress (whose name I forget) isn't selling it for me. It's just not working.

Also, I find it awful convenient that they only tell her what we saw at the beginning. Will the whole debacle (which I assume they will tell her) take 52 extra hours to explain?

On the positive side, Chi McBride ruled, as did Tim Daly in his little exchange with Scott Wolf.

So, despite some misgivings, I liked it, and I hope the ratings don't suck too much, and that the show actually makes it to sweeps month.

[bluemagic]

Just wondering... but was there this total "deja vu" theme going on all night long?? My head nearly exploded. There were promos for the new Taye Diggs show Day Break (about repeating the same day over again having deja vu), LOST ends on a cliffhanger about "deja vu", the NIN9 was pretty much a whole episode of characters trying to relive an experience that had happened to them already, and Denzel Washington is apparently in a new movie titled, ... wait for it... "Deja Vu"

Tonight's ABC broadcast was brought to you by "Deja Vu".
Tonight's ABC broadcast was brought to you by "Deja Vu".

(sorely tempted to double post just to accentuate the point... but will defer to the rules)

[freddi]

Heh -- I said in last week's forum that Randall was not dead, but got shot down. I would have been happy to see the end of his continuing plotline, however.

[sweetjane]

Damn. What happened to everyone? This show is next in line to get PH'ed (if the ratings don't get it first). I liked this episode a lot better than last week's. It felt tighter and more cohesive. Great flashback - I liked how the main focus was how Felicia was trying to make the call and yet they worked in all the little details. And there were some really intense character moments (Lizzie/Kathryn, Felicia/Malcolm, Jeremy/Nick). It helped make a lot of the characters more understandable, if not necessarily more likeable. I'm still not crazy about Scott Wolf's character, and it doesn't help that he reminds me of a chipmunk. And when Lizzie told Jeremy she was pregnant and he had the blank look...I couldn't help thinking of Padme and Anakin in Star Wars. I was also a little bothered by the editing of the present-day scenes - it was like they had ADD and kept cutting off in the middle of conversations (especially right after someone asked a question, like "Why are you telling me this now?"). All in all, though, a good episode, and it's still got me watching.

[Dana Girl]

I really enjoyed last night's episode. The dynamics emerging are nicely drawn and engaging without the audience getting their heads bashed by flying anvils. The opening was awesome. I liked that Felicia kept her head and actively tried to help, although apparently it didn't. Things like Franny sliding his glasses, Doc Bailey trying to help the guard, and Lizzie being the one to make the call were great. The brothers obviously were not in complete control of the situation from the beginning.

And we got an idea as to why Kathryn's mother was released.

I have to wonder how the cops knew where to go though. Did someone strategically call out the name of the bank at some point? Cuz, if they tried to trace the call, wouldn't they just get the cell phone?

Even with the e911 stuff that would make it possible to trace the call, I'm thinking we're not done with Felicia's 911 call yet. As in, it's not the call itself that caused the situation to detriorate but what happens next with the call.

Edited by Dana Girl, Oct 19, 2006 @ 6:36 AM.

[Andromeda]

Looks like I'm in the minority, but I was very bored with this episode and am seriously thinking about bailing.
I always find Lizzy annoying, but Felicia was just as bad- shrill and bratty.
And I don't care about Egan at all.

I still love Nick, but there wasn't much of him in this; I was hoping for some interaction with Kathryn.
Worst of all, Randall's non-death seemed like a huge wimp-out.

(Also, I am not sure I buy Franny's story about Ricky's "accident." Obviously, the social worker, who has seen it all, questioned it). Also, I wondered why Jeremy didn't offer to help her find a job in the hospital- maybe he still can't decide between her and Lizzie?

[lulee]

(Also, I am not sure I buy Franny's story about Ricky's "accident." Obviously, the social worker, who has seen it all, questioned it).

But we saw the scene where Franny was pleading with Ricky to come out of the bathroom he'd locked himself into.

Page 2? This is going to be PH'ed before the next ep.

Edited by lulee, Oct 19, 2006 @ 8:15 AM.

[sunworshipper]

I really enjoyed this episode. I think they're starting to hit their stride now (so of course, PH and RL cancellation can't be far off).

I had a thought about Jeremy's "mistake" in the bank. At one point, Randall tells the hostages that if anyone screws up, he won't shoot them, he will shoot Eva. Maybe he didn't just mean that for the time that the bank depositor was shooed away from the door. Maybe Jeremy disobeys Randall at some point and Eva is shot in retaliation. That doesn't exactly explain how Jeremy is blamed by no one but Lizzie for his actions but maybe only she was aware of what happened.

I started to like Kathryn's character more each week. I always thought Kim Raver was a terrible actress based upon her portrayal of Audrey on 24 but I can see that I was wrong. Kathryn was awesome last night, especially in the dinner with her mother. I loved the moment when a single tear fell and she very quickly, almost angrily, wiped it off.

I was glad to see more positive sides of Franny. It reversed the impression that I had been receiving that Eva was the more responsible sister. Franny is Eva's older sister, right? She got Eva the job, Eva married the bad boyfriend, she pushed Eva and Nick together, etc. but still the impression since the pilot was of a irresponsible drunk, druggie, and floozie.

Surprisingly, the only one of the Nine that I'm not really liking so far is Egan. Maybe they're trying to hard to make him lovable. He's just a bit too cartoonish.

[YourMom]

I'm still liking it quite a bit. Very close to officially declaring myself hooked. Of course, that means we are equally close to cancellation, but I digress.

I didn't care for Jeremy or Scott Wolf the first ep, but I have really grown intrigued with his arc and Scott seems a little more comfortable in the character's skin these days. Nick, Jeremy and Kathryn interest me the most by far. For the most part, I like all the other characters, but I find myself much more drawn in when one of those three is onscreen.

Lizzie is starting to bug a little. I think it's the actress. I did think she did a nice job with the sonogram scene. It could have been over-the-top schmaltzy, but it played well. I think there's a lot of potential in the Nick/Jeremy conflict. As everyone's pointed out, they obviously set up a parallel between the cop ethos and the doctor ethos with the bank scene. But then in the post-bank scene their roles were reversed. I think there's a lot there, and if my predicted love pentagon does develop, then they'll be in competition there too.