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Posted Sep 18, 2008 @ 1:41 PM

What asked why he thought he lost, Jim Bob glanced at his eldest son Joshua (14 years old at the time) and replied 'sin in the camp'.

What a tool-ish thing to say. Nice heaping guilt upon your teenager, "I lost an election because you had NEEDS." (not because I have no political experience and cannot stop procreating long enough to get any.) I can't wait to see, (god forbid) when they have their Downs child, who JimBob blames then. Probably Janna didn't wash the dishes well enough or something.
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Posted Sep 18, 2008 @ 2:42 PM

Was JimBob being serious, or what he attempting to make a joke? I mean, was he making light of the fact he lost and trying to be funny about it? I'm not defending him, that line gave me the creeps and forever changed my opinion of him, but considering how the Duggars seem to try to present an oh-so-happy front when they're on TV, I just wondered about why he would make a remark like that in public. Since the first show air, it seems like the family is really trying to downplay their fundie-ness and appear like a normal, functional family, so I don't understand why he would make a comment like in public that which makes him sound like some kind of psycho cult leader.
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Posted Sep 18, 2008 @ 6:07 PM

He said it before the first special was taped--it said "14 year old Joshua", which would make it...2002, I'd guess?
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Posted Sep 18, 2008 @ 8:12 PM

I do not even see how those wisdom booklets work, seeing how there are only 3,000 pages in 54 wisdom booklets, and I'm saying you'd ATLEAST do one booklet a day, from the sample on their site (Here in case you have not seen it) after 54 days don't you know everything you need to know? Then what? Do you just re-read the same things again and again?


I've read most of this thread and was also raised in ATI (which I consider a cult and very emotionally scarring. I got out, married an agnostic, drink, cuss, and live the good life now).

I did want to say that the Wisdom Booklets can basically be used as long as you want. My mom use to drag each one of them out for a month or two at a time. We had to read them out loud every night at our "Wisdom Searches" and the the next day go over the section we read. Each WB comes with a Parent Guide Planner to go with it that suggests activities and projects for each section. You are suppose to pick out 1 for each section. For example my mom would pick 3 of the 5 for the "Science" section or whatever and then we had to pick 1 of those to do. There was some special name for the projects I think but I can't remember now.

There was also projects for "Little People" to go along with each one. It doesn't matter though all the projects were dumb and designed to make you feel crappy about yourself.

Also each month with each WB had a character quality and a hymn to go with it. You were suppose to memorize all the verses of the hymn and the definition of the character quality.

I hope this isn't off-topic but I was trying to show out ofJimBob could drag out the Wbs as long as she wanted basically. I doubt she puts that much into it though. Also they do contain a "math" section so I hope to God she doesn't just use that because there was nothing to it.
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Posted Sep 18, 2008 @ 8:24 PM

The supposed proof to the sin in the camp was mentioned in http://forums.televi...p;#entry9056992

The factnet link from twop is no longer active but the entire post was on 4/4/05: http://www.factnet.o...es/3/10122.html

Edited by squashytoe, Sep 18, 2008 @ 8:30 PM.

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Posted Sep 19, 2008 @ 11:50 AM

Back to the Academy of The Dining Room Table, I'm sure this has been asked before but I couldn't see it in the last 50 pages. Why the hell didn't they have a special school room built in their amazing new house, especially as they'll definitely need it for the next 20 years at least?

They have space for 2 huge kitchens, dozens of bathrooms a huge living area and at least a couple of playrooms with slides and rock climbing wall for heaven's sake. Why not an amazing school room where they could each have their own desks and materials with maps, posters, number charts and craft projects up on the wall? If they didn't want mainstream school stuff like science posters up there they could put up creationism, biblical story posters, etc that I'm sure exist for fundie home education. Hell there would have been enough for two rooms, separate ones for older/younger kids or girls and boys. Have the time the kids are at that table for bible study, school or whatever most of them don't seem to be paying attention and some are so far away it's hard for them to interact with what Michelle/Jim are doing. It could do wonders for concentration, a "this is a special place where we learn" room. They clearly understand the need for specialised peaceful areas since they have the prayer closet place, why not an area for study.

I'm sure discovery would have loved the idea and could have fitted them out with many appropriate materials, so I can't believe it never came up in planning the house which means they probably rejected the idea. It's annoying because not only are the apparently educating their kids in an extremely half assed way (Wisdom booklets) they are being half assed about that.

Edited by Featherhat, Sep 19, 2008 @ 11:52 AM.

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Posted Sep 19, 2008 @ 12:07 PM

Why the hell didn't they have a special school room built in their amazing new house


Education obviously isn't a priority in the Duggar family. I'd bet it never even occurred to them to have a school room in the house.
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Posted Sep 19, 2008 @ 1:37 PM

Why not convert the church in the basement to a schoolroom during the week? If it was good enough for Laura Ingalls Wilder, whom I believe is approved reading material (I guess they never got to her adult years or found out about her communist daughter, Rose...hee), it should be good enough for them.
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Posted Sep 19, 2008 @ 2:53 PM

Featherhat raises a good point. It is odd that there is nothing on display. I have seen other homeschools in photos and they usually have posters or letter charts or even school projects all over the place. It is funny it is just the dining room table.
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Posted Sep 19, 2008 @ 3:53 PM

Education obviously isn't a priority in the Duggar family. I'd bet it never even occurred to them to have a school room in the house.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding.
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Posted Sep 19, 2008 @ 4:11 PM

Emzily, as a christian myself, I'm sad you were turned off to christianity (although, for the record, I don't think having a drink now and then is a sin...I only object to drunkenness)...however, your post IS AN EXACT PICTURE..of why I can't stand Bill Gothard...he's legalistic...he's not under the authority of any church...he tells married couples how to live when he's never even been married..he tells parents how to raise their kids when he's never had any...he preaches against birth control, when HE's never had to go through labor OR support a family...his version of home schooling makes other home schoolers look bad...and as is evident by your post, he turns people off to true Christianity.


ETA something on topic.....although there are some things I do like about the Duggars, the fact that they do the Bill Gothard thing is one of the things I definitely don't like about them.

Edited by RebekahN, Sep 19, 2008 @ 4:59 PM.

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Posted Sep 21, 2008 @ 6:51 PM

Why not convert the church in the basement to a schoolroom during the week? If it was good enough for Laura Ingalls Wilder, whom I believe is approved reading material (I guess they never got to her adult years or found out about her communist daughter, Rose...hee), it should be good enough for them.



I was a devoted, dedicated reader of Laura Ingalls Wilder in my childhood, but I can't remember anything about them having church or school in a basement! The girls went to school and church in town.

I sort of wonder why Wilder is approved reading for the Duggar girls. Laura is such a strong, spunky figure. She's not submissive at all, and the whole family believed in education. Ma was educated, used to be a teacher herself, and certainly didn't churn out eighteen kids. Mary went to the College for the Blind. Laura became a schoolteacher at the local school, and then lived away from home and taught at a tiny school on the prairie.

My TiVo says the first two episodes of the show will air on October 1st!

"Big Family Meets Big Apple" (2008) Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar are expecting their 18th child.
"Duggars Do New York" (2008) The Duggars visit New York City and appear on The Today Show.


Shouldn't we change the title of this thread to 17 Kids and Counting?
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Posted Sep 21, 2008 @ 7:42 PM

If it was good enough for Laura Ingalls Wilder, whom I believe is approved reading material....


From http://buriedtreasur...inManifesto.php
19) Prairie Muffins appreciate godly role models, such as Anne Bradstreet, Elizabeth Prentiss and Elisabeth Elliot. They do not idolize Laura Ingalls Wilder (Little House on the Prairie) or Louisa May Alcott (Little Women); while they may enjoy aspects of home life presented in their books, PMs understand that the latent humanism and feminism in these stories and in the lives of these women is not worthy of emulation.

Edited by squashytoe, Sep 21, 2008 @ 7:43 PM.

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Posted Sep 21, 2008 @ 9:41 PM

Just to add: Laura Ingalls Wilder books are some of the most challenged books. She is not an example of sweet girlhood according to fundies.
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Posted Sep 21, 2008 @ 9:42 PM

Well, the Big Event is just around the corner! I propose that we all stop what we're doing on Friday (anyone know what time the nuptials are set to commence?) and raise a glass of whatever to the new couple.
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Posted Sep 22, 2008 @ 5:41 AM

I was a devoted, dedicated reader of Laura Ingalls Wilder in my childhood, but I can't remember anything about them having church or school in a basement! The girls went to school and church in town.

The connection is that the school in the town was used as the church on Sunday. The comparison being the church in the basement of the Duggar house could be used during the week as a school.
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Posted Sep 22, 2008 @ 9:02 AM

Of course you know the Duggars have no basement.


That Prairie Muffin stuff is quite the read. I like the part about women's "hormotional weakness." All that time she took typing that up she could have been showering her children with hugs and kisses....
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Posted Sep 22, 2008 @ 10:47 AM

Well, the Big Event is just around the corner! I propose that we all stop what we're doing on Friday (anyone know what time the nuptials are set to commence?) and raise a glass of whatever to the new couple.

Kool-aid? May that be the drink of the day?
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Posted Sep 22, 2008 @ 1:19 PM

Kool-Aid's not my thing. I think I'll hang a stained bedsheet out of my bedroom window instead.
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Posted Sep 22, 2008 @ 2:45 PM

Lol, Lulu! I seem to remember tap water being the drink de rigeur on one of the specials. However, the tapwater in my area is horrible beyond belief, so I'll have to make do with bottled. To Joshie and AnnaKellerDuggar! L'chaim! Mazel tov!
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Posted Sep 22, 2008 @ 6:09 PM

The connection is that the school in the town was used as the church on Sunday. The comparison being the church in the basement of the Duggar house could be used during the week as a school.


Ah, gotcha! Now that you mention it, I do remember the townspeople having to raise funds so they could finally build a separate church building. My mind just got stuck on the "homeschool" and "home church" movements favored by the Duggars, which is just so opposite of anything Ma or Pa Ingalls would have approved of.

Kool-aid? May that be the drink of the day?

Kool-Aid's not my thing. I think I'll hang a stained bedsheet out of my bedroom window instead.


Bwah! You guys are terrible, LOL. Don't forget to cut a hole in the sheet...
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Posted Sep 22, 2008 @ 7:55 PM

How could you guys discuss the drink of the day without first consulting the Duggar family recipes?!?!

LEMONAPPLEADE
10-12 golden delicious apples- cored & cut into large pieces
2 small lemons-unpeeled & quartered
Put lemons through the juicer first, then apples. The more yellow the apple, the prettier the lemonade. Best if served over ice. Putting the lemons through the juicer first helps the lemonade not to brown as quickly. Enjoy!
Serves 6
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Posted Sep 23, 2008 @ 11:08 AM

They have 18 children. This requires 30+ apples per batch. Even with my apple corer slicer combo this would be a lot of work!

Having been to several Baptist receptions a guest is lucky to get a slice of cake and some punch. Period.

amazing to see Jimbob self financed over $100K for his 2001 election campaign. It also shows he has $101K in debt.

http://tinyurl.com/3rw5w6

that had to take an enormous chip out of their finances.
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Posted Sep 23, 2008 @ 11:29 AM

Wonder what that other $1,000 in debt it from...so much for living debt-free, I guess.

I, for one, will be toasting the new couple with a glass of champagne (or maybe just cheap domestic beer.) After all, someone has to be drinking that day.

I wonder if the Duggars are the type to hang the bedsheet out the window. Or is JimBob more likely to go into the bedroom afterwards and inspect the bed? Maybe Anna should have put a live chicken on the registry - just in case.
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Posted Sep 23, 2008 @ 12:05 PM

Maybe Anna should have put a live chicken on the registry - just in case.

OMG STOP!! I shouldn't be laughing this hard at work, people will start wondering what the hell I'm doing.

I was a huge Laura Ingalls Wilder fan growing up, and it always seemed to me that Ma and Pa wanted the girls to have education so they'd have some way of taking care of themselves. It wasn't exactly a popular attitude back then but the Ingalls were always on the verge of losing everything they had to locusts or snow or drought or some damn thing. Ma and Pa must have known that if the girls had an education they could always find some way to support themselves if necessary. Especially Mary; they had to have worried a lot about what would happen to her after they passed on. Ideally the girls would marry men who would take care of them but that was never a certainty. Ma and Pa seemed to be pretty realistic about life in general.

It's really frustrating to read that Prairie Muffin bullcrap and see the Ingalls (and Louisa May Alcott, whose attitude was formed partly by growing up during the Civil War) dismissed as having "feminist and humanist undertones" when all they were was realistic about life, and they were realistic because they'd experienced so many setbacks. AND they were extremely religious. The Ingalls are the most wholesome entertainment in the universe, but the Prairie Muffins and Duggars of this world have to have everything in a neat bland package with no threatening independant thought in the neighborhood.

That's where I always get stuck when people say "Well, the Duggar kids aren't on drugs and they aren't exposed to Britney Spears and they are all clean and polite, so what is wrong with the way they are raised?" It's because the kids have no chance to really DO anything with themselves or their individual talents. Given some independance, they would not necessarily run around without panties or take heroin or get their noses pierced. They might just join the Peace Corps and help kids learn how to read, or become doctors or teachers or firefighters and help the community and the world. And they will never get the chance to do any of that because their parents don't want to relinquish control of everything they do for fear the devil will get them. The Duggar parents think they are raising up Godly children for the glory of His kingdom and in reality, they are raising up a bunch of clean polite people who will never have the chance to do anything but take up space and produce MORE clean polite people who likewise will never have the chance to do anything but take up space.

That's what makes me so angry about the Duggars.

Edited by Puppy Child, Sep 23, 2008 @ 12:07 PM.

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Posted Sep 23, 2008 @ 12:38 PM

I wonder if the Duggars are the type to hang the bedsheet out the window. Or is JimBob more likely to go into the bedroom afterwards and inspect the bed? Maybe Anna should have put a live chicken on the registry - just in case.


I have heard of inspecting the sheet afterward, but what the heck are the other two about? Somebody please tell me before my imagination takes me to places I really don't want to go.

If all this focusing on NOT having sex makes us, the detached posters, so pervertedly fascinated with the secret sex lives of fundies, can you imagine what BEING one of these people must be like? Good Lord.

So here's what I'm wondering... Most couples, knowing that there will be lots of sex on their wedding night/honeymoon, spend time thinking about/discussing what they want to do, right? I mean, do you think Anna went out and read Cosmo or something to get tips on positions or role-playing games? Did Josh and Anna actually TALK about it? That would be one awkward conversation.... (Josh to Anna): "So know that we're married and the babymaking shall commence with the blessing of the Lord, I've always wanted to experiment wiith bondage..."

I think they should do a special about the two of them visiting an erotic toy store together.

Edited by MissBrattnie, Sep 23, 2008 @ 12:39 PM.

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Posted Sep 23, 2008 @ 1:35 PM

I don't imagine they talked about it much/at all -- I think it's probably missionary-style with the lights off for the Duggars. Ewww. Now I need the brain bleach.
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Posted Sep 23, 2008 @ 1:45 PM

Maybe Anna should have put a live chicken on the registry - just in case.OMG STOP!! I shouldn't be laughing this hard at work, people will start wondering what the hell I'm doing.

OMFG. Funny, funny shit. HEE!

LEMONAPPLEADE

That's just about the healthiest thing I've ever heard the Duggars eat/drink. Aldi's has fresh fruit--non-processed, not dipped in trans fatty acids???
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Posted Sep 23, 2008 @ 1:46 PM

Unlurking to suggest the wedding night will go something like this.
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Posted Sep 23, 2008 @ 2:01 PM

"So know that we're married and the babymaking shall commence with the blessing of the Lord, I've always wanted to experiment wiith bondage..."


BWAH! I just choked, thanks a lot!

I imagine there's got to be some sort of "father/son" "mother/daughter" chat about this type of thing before the wedding right? Otherwise god knows what will happen, nothing probably. Even very sheltered teens should have some idea of what goes on, even if it will probably be horrible and awkward on the actual night.
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