Duggars dodged a bullet there. No mention of them in the Sun-Times article. Can't believe their luck will continue as the story gets more media coverage.
19 Kids and Counting (And Other Duggar Family Programs)
Posted Yesterday, 01:26 PM
Luck ALWAYS runs out. Whatever will happen with this, will happen soon, Im sure. it has to.
Posted Yesterday, 01:34 PM
Luck ALWAYS runs out. Whatever will happen with this, will happen soon, Im sure. it has to.
Absolutely. This is the first article I've seen that hasn't mentioned the Duggars. I think they are really going to get caught up in this.
Posted Yesterday, 02:10 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens next. Many people suffer 'a crisis of faith' when their leader is shown to have feet of clay. My family left a particular church congregation (not the entire religion), when the pastor had an affair with the church secretary whose husband was a personal friend of ours, as were the two people themselves.
Posted Yesterday, 02:25 PM
This is why I always found it odd-the Duggars have ALWAYS denied they were QF, NEVER mention Gothard. They want to witness and encourage others to follow as they do. Hypocrisy at its' finest. It's maddening that TLC not only still films this show, but remains close-lipped about it all. I'd love to be a mole, a fly on the wall in that house. I wonder what the Hartono's (sp?) REALLY think. I won't even touch the girls' book. This will blow wide open, and oddly, I cannot wait to see the aftermath. Perhaps the fall of Duggardom will be upon us....soon.
This may have been seen, but I noticed one tiny word.....it states that the Duggars belongED to this organization.....as in, they are no longer Gothardites....just a little notice.
Posted Yesterday, 03:02 PM
Well I'm just getting started on the Duggars. I have been watching the back episodes on Netflix and I am only at Josh and Anna's wedding, but I've been following this Gothard resignation story. I think Jim Bob is a controlling freak and was a little upset to read a passing reference to his "anger" issues. Do they ever show him getting angry on the show, because I haven't seen that yet? Of course, the show is just a sanitized version of their life and nothing like what it is really like to live/be ignored/be a slave in that family on a daily basis. I did notice that the little kids went nuts as soon as Boob and J'chelle went on a trip together, which makes me wonder how much of the kids' good behavior is fear-based.
I am still trying to wrap my head around how birth control pills caused J'chelle's miscarriage and what kind of doctor would ever tell them that. I had a miscarriage once and the doctor was just, "yeah, we don't know why they happen." That must have been before the internets because surely J'chelle could have looked up miscarriages by herself by now and decided that she was off the hook for that one and could have stopped birthing babies at least ten years ago. Plus, having 19 kids because they feel responsible for one miscarriage is really an overreaction. It's like they don't believe God would forgive them without some wild, over-the-top kind of symbolic sack-cloth gesture to make up for it. Which is just one of their extreme types of thought processes. No outside school, no outside jobs for the girls, no college, no pants!
As for Gothard, yuck. To me, he is the epitome of the commandment "Thou shall have no false gods before me." Gothard and his kind are my definition of false gods, coming up with all sorts of controlling, insane interpretations of God's will, always couched as "this is what God wants." I'm never surprised when his type falls from grace ... I always imagine God watching upstairs, just thinking "I'm getting so tired of this bozo who thinks he is my second coming on earth."
I have a particular bias against any Fundie religions because I had a brief stint where I was involved with a Fundie church as a teen where a lot of kids were getting married at 18 and 19 and 20 for the same reasons the Duggars profess. I have to say it looked so easy back then to just go from high school to the security of marriage, but alas, God had other plans for me and he did not send me a young fundie who would marry me. Instead God made me go away to college, to get a real job and apartment in a big city, to travel and then to get married to a really smart and funny guy who had gone to one of those heathen, ivy - league colleges. Turns out God's ideas for my life were way better than what I could come up with on my own at 18. THANKS GOD!!!!! That's why it really really pains me to see these girls trapped in that family with no opportunities beyond what Jim Boob's little mind can think up for them.
Maybe one of those girls will fall in love with a young reporter while on their book tour. Jinger?
Posted Yesterday, 04:15 PM
Sad. So sad. Those Duggar kids—I honestly worry about them. Big time. Take caution with the links.
Such abuse of power. Religious, mental mind screwing going on here. I hope that somehow the universe steps in, with a Clark Kent of sorts who comes along to save the Duggar girls. Save one, the others may follow. Seriously, I have done all the digging I can handle. This is utterly sick and breaking my heart for those kids. You need a license to drive a car, to catch a fish, but they'll let anyone be a parent.
Edited by TWoP Howard, Today, 01:02 AM.
Added capitals, removed emoticons
Posted Yesterday, 04:40 PM
So many of the older girls seem so checked out when it comes to raising their siblings. Why doesn't J'Chelle see this, and do what she should be doing from the start? If she wasn't into raising the kids for the long run, she should not have had kids.
Gothard is a creep. I feel sorry for the people that cannot see past what he is, and trust his teachings to raise their kids. What idiots. They need help.
Posted Yesterday, 04:57 PM
[I think] that the girls have checked out. There is no doubt in my mind that Michelle and her Idiot husband know exactly what is going on. When Michelle announced baby #20, Josiah's reaction and JimBob's scolding on camera split it all wide open.
[I think that] the Duggars’ system of child-rearing is spiritual abuse. It’s not funny, cute, and it’s certainly not worthy of TV entertainment. It’s not healthy. The ATI curriculum is a system that wounds children who have emotions and fail to live up to the holiness standard, all in the name of God. Not only does this god despise public education, peer pressure, rock music, cabbage patch dolls, eating pork, trolls, birth control, and people who wear normal clothes, but this god also expects little children to master character traits, for teens to parent younger siblings while always feeling “grateful,” showing “initiative,” and “patience,” and for children to stuff their frustration and emotions because that’s “self-control.” This screams abuse.
Edited by TWoP Howard, Today, 01:04 AM.
Opinion as fact, removed bold font
Posted Yesterday, 06:20 PM
but this god also expects little children to master character traits, for teens to parent younger siblings while always feeling “grateful,” showing “initiative,” and “patience,” and for children to stuff their frustration and emotions because that’s “self-control.” This screams abuse.
But not men apparently. Men must be handled with gloves by the women folk lest their lust burst out of them uncontrollably, which is never their fault. But god says the *toddler* has to be perfect.
Edited by Featherhat, Yesterday, 06:21 PM.
Posted Yesterday, 08:46 PM
They all say that they 'have a natural physical desire toward men' and 'thank God for making us "normal."'
I struggle to understand the Duggars' thinking (maybe "thinking" is giving it too much credit).
From the Duggar point of view, what about those who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual? Does God make them that way? So should gays, lesbians, and bisexuals all say, "Thank God for making me 'abnormal'"?
On the other hand, I was under the impression that fundamentalists believe that those who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual CHOOSE to be that way. In other words, God doesn't CREATE people to be gay, lesbian or bisexual; every one is created to be heterosexual, and then some "deviants" "choose" same-sex desire.
But if that's what they believe, then people like the Duggars must think that same-sex love is VERY attractive--so attractive that it lures people who are otherwise heterosexual into its evil clutches. Otherwise, if you were created heterosexual, why on earth would you choose anything else? But if that's the case, then why would God create a world in which heterosexuality is "normal," but same-sex relations are SO attractive that 10% of the population "chooses" it?
From a fundamentalist perspective, why wouldn't a good God make everyone WANT to be heterosexual, and want nothing else, if heterosexuality is so darn "normal"??
[When I] try to think through the implications of Duggar beliefs, you get caught up in so many absurd conclusions that you realize the beliefs themselves are nonsense.
Edited by TWoP Howard, Today, 01:10 AM.
Posted Today, 12:20 AM
Edited by HopeWings, Today, 12:21 AM.