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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:17 PM

I'd say that first episode was more damage than damage control, especially when Michelle was in the bus getting hairspray into Jennifer's eyes, which she was rubbing during the photo shoot. And wouldn't it have made more sense to have the individual photos done from youngest to oldest vs. the other way around? Josie may have been more cooperative vs. 'willful' then.

I was shocked how openly dismissive they were of James' trumpet. "It's like nails on a chalkboard." "It's very loud." Do they not realize that he will see that eventually.

I think he knows - when he was asked what he liked about the trumpet he said it was loud, like him. Lovely of Michelle to suggest to him that he should put a muffler on it. Why couldn't he practice outside or someplace else in that massive house?

These people are insane. "It was so special for people to have the opportunity to watch us eat."

Was it special for people to have the opportunity to wait for them to arrive? They were eating, and therefore running late again, just before leaving the TTH. If Joplin was only one hour away then why didn't they bring snacks or wait to eat?
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:23 PM

Jimbob was saying that the kids like to show their will or something by being defiant and not looking at the camera.


He said that they were showing their will to demonstrate they were the boss. No fuckwit, it was well past their naptime and they were cranky and tired. He actually said that later, but his first statement is the true one; that's how they break the spirit of the kids. Although from the Howlers on down, there has been no real structure in their home; no wonder he thinks the chickens are ruling the roost, DUH. Of course Josie's a fighter; she had to fight for her life. Now that she's been deemed "well," she is thrown into the pile and has to fight for attention like the rest of them.

Mullet bugged big time. First, when the Popes arrived, Sarah is talking about the challenges that Samuel presents. Mullet can't by sympathetic to her plight, but instead says, "We have that, MULTIPLIED!!!!!!" Later, in the kitchen, Sarah is pouring the glop into the TTC pans and asks Mullet if she's doing it right. In her most "encouraging" baby voice, Mullet says, "You're doing GREAT!!!!" as if Sarah is 3. The thing is, as Mullet says this, her back is turned and she's leaving her guest ALONE in the kitchen. Suck it, bitch.

TLC did their best to make it look like Josie is ahead of Samuel, but I just don't see it. She's on her turf and knows the terrain, so yeah, she can walk on counters (I seriously doubt Sarah Pope allows that) and can climb the play structure, something Samuel has never seen. Not to mention the kid is among a ton of people after a life of relative isolation to protect his health (something the Duggars abandoned with Josie almost 2 years ago). However, looking at the tape, yeah, Josie can talk or sing...IF she's heavily coached. She was blank in the TH segment. Samuel, who has had the benefit of speech therapy, was able to articulate independent thoughts without prompting. He's 3 months younger than Josie, but was noticeably taller. Interestingly, around that time he just hit the bottom height/weight percentiles for his adjusted age, illustrating just how tiny Josie is.

More later. I've already lost this post (or something like it) twice.

edited for some punctuation clean-up...I typed fast and furious so I wouldn't lose yet another post. grrrrr.....

Edited by Pauline Fowler, Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:51 PM.

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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:26 PM

Hearing Josie sing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star made me smile. :) As did "Kinsey's" pronunciation of guacamole. I love 'mock-a-mole' too. Watching her eat all that cookie dough gave 'me' a tummy ache!
I will also admit to an "awww" moment, when Sarah Pope was talking about the time Samuel's ventilator became unplugged(!!!) She heard Michelle praying out loud for him, and said, "Please listen to her." She seemed like a very sweet lady.
What's with the mod 60s look that middle J boy was sporting? That's new! I thought slicked straight back, or a side parting was the required boy hairstyle.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:29 PM

He doesn't. TLC checks support him as well as his full-time employee. I think people here have verified that Boob owns the lots. Smuggar just moves from lot to lot, attends auctions and changes the sale signs on the car windshields to appear that he's working.

Moving again? Is he down-sizing? Did say the inventory wasn't as big, did not say he was moving to a bigger lot. If he has employees, why didn't they help him move?
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:32 PM

Really, DQ is an inspiration for mothers who lost their homes, families, jobs and their home town. How the he** does that even comes into play.

Did Joplin actually ask the Duggars to show up or did TLC make them an offer? Sitting above the masses while eating. Talk about being obnoxious and make it all about me. If Michelle is so concern about her children's eating manners (or the lack thereof) then she and JB only has themselves to blame. Children learn from their parents you nitwits.

Yes, Sarah, DQ praying away in the corner saved your son's life. Stop drinking the kool-aid sweetheart. Why would you let your son be used for DQ's sick twisted mind set that everything is peachy wonderful with Josie's health.

No mention of mourning over Jubilee. I'm shocked...

Interesting the bank kicked Josh out of his second car lot then he was able to go back to it. Something stinks and it ain't the litter box.

Would I want to eat the cookies after Mack's fingers were in the dough. Ewwww...

All I can say is thanks for the chuckles tonight.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:32 PM

Hearing Josie sing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star made me smile. :) As did "Kinsey's" pronunciation of guacamole


me too, that was cute. Josie was very lively and vocal, this ep, but her face seems very gaunt.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:35 PM

I was shocked how openly dismissive they were of James' trumpet. "It's like nails on a chalkboard." "It's very loud."

Hey, here's an idea, Boob and Mullet. Let the child go to a REAL teacher who has a degree in music, and knows how to play the trumpet him-or herself. Of course a trumpet is going to sound awful if you give it to a kid who has no idea what to do with it. And guess what, a regular run of the mill heathen can teach your child too. All of your music "instructors" do not have to be amateur fundies from a church who just learned the basics from another "like-minded" person. I'll bet there are a lot of band teachers out there from other cultures and religions who are great trumpet instructors! And let the J-boy leave the house for private lesson time without 18 other J kids hanging around and making noise. You may actually see some results!
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:38 PM

Samuel, who has had the benefit of speech therapy, was able to articulate independent thoughts without prompting. He's 3 months younger than Josie, but was noticeably taller. Interestingly, around that time he just hit the bottom height/weight percentiles for his adjusted age, illustrating just how tiny Josie is.


He was noticably more filled out and his color was better-he looked much healthier.

I freakin love it that James has a trumpet, I hope he drives them nuts with it, hehe. :)

Edited by xls, Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:41 PM.

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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:48 PM

He was noticably more filled out and his color was better-he looked much healthier


That's what I thought. Josie just looks ill and her motions are all herky-jerky, like an infant.

I can't believe Jill was blabbing about Mullet being such a giving person that she went all the way to Joplin to inspire everyone for Mother's Day, and she's so wonderful and yadda, yadda, yadda. How many gallons of Kool-Aid did Jill drink that morning?
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:50 PM

Don't know whether James has a teacher, but he did play the first five notes of a major scale.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:52 PM

Oh, and I guess Sean has not figured out a way to do the FU Internet on our hygiene comments. Because tonight was gross in that Josie and Samuel were both standing on the kitchen counter, and things over at Anna's were even worse. Mac sitting on the counter, repeatedly dipping a spoon and her fingers into the cookie dough, and Anna continuing to use that dough to make more cookies. "Um, here everyone, have a snot, feet-dirt and saliva cookie. Made'em myself!" Yuuuuuuuuuummmm!
Maybe if the show continues we need to get a dietician, a specialist in food-borne illnesses, and a couple hundred gallons of Mr. Clean, Lysol, hairbands and plastic gloves into their homes. Yet another wondeful benefit of the SOTDRT. Somewhere along the way, the basics of food safety got missed. In an evil public school, the kids would have most likely had at least one semester of home ec. or consumer ed. or whatever their school district titles it.
And really, Boob, people paid extra to watch you eat on your raised platform? Do invite me next time...please.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 10:58 PM

Yes, Sarah, DQ praying away in the corner saved your son's life. Stop drinking the kool-aid sweetheart. Why would you let your son be used for DQ's sick twisted mind set that everything is peachy wonderful with Josie's health.


Sarah is just fine. She actually felt more irritated by the Duggars than "blessed" by Mullet, whom she didn't even know although they'd met briefly at that "Run for a Child" race that the guys did in their jeans a few years back. Sarah is just a mainstream Christian who appreciated the prayers at that moment. She was not comfortable when the cameras were at the hospital; she felt put on the spot. Her blog is superbly written and brutally honest. She was a REAL teacher (not just a "dining room" type) before quitting her job to make Samuel her full-time priority.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 11:18 PM

Sarah is just fine. She actually felt more irritated by the Duggars than "blessed" by Mullet, whom she didn't even know although they'd met briefly at that "Run for a Child" race that the guys did in their jeans a few years back. Sarah is just a mainstream Christian who appreciated the prayers at that moment. She was not comfortable when the cameras were at the hospital; she felt put on the spot. Her blog is superbly written and brutally honest. She was a REAL teacher (not just a "dining room" type) before quitting her job to make Samuel her full-time priority.


Then why go on the show if she did not like the dog and pony show at the hospital.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 11:30 PM

Snackle - it was common practice in 17-18th Century Europe to have people watch royalty EAT. No food for them, as it was a TREAT, a genuine honor, to simply watch them imbibe and gorge themselves. They also dressed them, powdered them, perfumed them, and attended to their bathroom functions. Seriously.

WTF kind of Royalty have the Duggars evolved/devolved into ?

You're not the Habsburgs, nor the Windsors. And no one is gonna wipe your butt, JB. Come down from your false pedestal.

And yes, the kids are gross. Who wants dirty hands, dirty feet, questionably washed cookie trays, and sneezing, coughing, germy-handed toddlers making YOU cookies ?

Call the CDC, I'd say. I'd need a freaking Hazmat suit just go go to the TTC - it's like Hoarders, but with Gothard religion bullshit.

I'll pass.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 11:33 PM

Then why go on the show if she did not like the dog and pony show at the hospital?


She probably felt indebted in some way to JB and Michelle for standing by her family during their time of need, even if it was just praying for a good outcome for both babies. She might not like the show, but she probably identifies with Michelle as the mother of a premature baby.
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 11:42 PM

Was anyone able to figure out what the heck Josh was talking about with the car lots? The bank "kicked him out" of car lot #2, so he went to the taco lot (#3), then "the bank said it was okay to come back," so he moved back to #2. Huh??? Did anyone follow that?
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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 11:54 PM

I could not figure that one out either.

One minute Josh is told to get out and the next minute he can come back. Was he behind on his lease payments? Did the bank try to lease the area to someone else and there were no takers?

Edited by bigskygirl, Sep 18, 2012 @ 11:57 PM.

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Posted Sep 18, 2012 @ 11:59 PM

Smuggar over-simplified, as usual. IIRC, like the Taco lot, it was a zoning issue, but unlike the taco lot zoning (property which Boob owned), the second lot was either cheap or owned by Boob - that I can't recall. It boils down to a lease violation; if Boob or the owner owed a bank for the property (which is why I suspect Boob doesn't own this land...he brags about paying cash for everything), they have the right to evict.

I'm sure either Boob or RD, the guy who does all the heavy lifting at the car lot, got the lease straightened out while Smuggar was gallivanting to and fro. As has become evident by this point in the show, Smuggar is allergic to work, unless it's standing in front of a camera and pontificating. His delusions of self-importance are at the core of his well-earned nickname.

As for the Popes, maybe they didn't even know they were going to be filmed until they showed up and releases were shoved in their faces. The blog details how uncomfortable she was during filming at the TTH.
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 12:51 AM

Was it special for people to have the opportunity to wait for them to arrive? They were eating, and therefore running late again, just before leaving the TTH. If Joplin was only one hour away then why didn't they bring snacks or wait to eat?


That made no sense whatsoever. If you're already running late and you're heading someplace where you know you're going to be served dinner, why waste time with snacks? Don't they at least have a jumbo size box of granola bars or something that they can throw on the bus and go? So rude and inconsiderate.

As for the Popes, maybe they didn't even know they were going to be filmed until they showed up and releases were shoved in their faces. The blog details how uncomfortable she was during filming at the TTH


Pauline, thanks for that info, now everything makes sense. The Popes seemed irritated and uncomfortable at various points throughout the segment and now we know why.

Also did you all notice how there was barely any meat in those two baking dishes? Way to go all out for company, Duggars!!! So the Popes were treated to starch, more starch, limp canned vegetables and a white mystery sauce. Yum!
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 1:04 AM

I was shocked, shocked I tell you, that they allowed Josie to defraud that sweet innocent Samuel Pope with her hugs. While they were alone In a play car, no less, which is basically like a date.

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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 1:35 AM

Mac sitting on the counter, repeatedly dipping a spoon and her fingers into the cookie dough, and Anna continuing to use that dough to make more cookies. "Um, here everyone, have a snot, feet-dirt and saliva cookie. Made'em myself!" Yuuuuuuuuuummmm!


Watching this actually made me more than a little nauseous. I was practically yelling at my TV for the J-boy to drop the cookie and back away as quickly as possible.
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 5:23 AM

Ta Ta Ca...again...for guests? Served on styro plates with plastic forks? Again? And this time again, DQ makes her guest do the preparation? I think if I had to prepare that disgusting artery clogging meal, and saw the ingredients and prep, I'd be even less inclined to want to eat it than if it were just served.

Great hosts, that family.

I thought it was hilarious when they thought they were like royalty, sitting ABOVE the rest of the people at that event. Like anyone really wants to worship the Duggars while they eat, with those horrid manners. Ugh.

If this was filmed in the spring, Josie is looking much better. She can run a bit, and speak a bit. She still looks quite fragile to me, but that may be due to her pale skin and extremely small size.

Mac eating the cookie dough was just gross.

No way is Josh earning any money with those clunker cars.
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 6:30 AM

Do any of the older girls get spray tanned or something? At times, they look orange.
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 6:39 AM

I thought it was terrible the way everyone was putting down James' trumpet playing. Of course he's not going to play well if he just started playing (and who knows if he even has a teacher). That's the point of practice. In a house that large, there should be somewhere for him to practice where he won't disturb anyone


I would put him down also if he was blowing the horn right in my face. He did this to at least one person.
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 6:41 AM

How about the part where the guests had to also drive the car from one car lot to the other, that one guy was shown amongst the drivers.

And how about the part where the Boob was expressing his ability to "roll his rrrrrs" when trying to speak a word in Spanish - did you get a look of his face and how he dimly said something like "ooooorrr" like a dumazz?
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 6:57 AM

I watched the guest couple with the TTC at the table pretty carefully, and I did not see either of the Popes actually eat it.

I love how their idea of having the kids go outside and play to burn off energy involves a frigging car.
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 7:53 AM

Are the Duggars allowed to learn about their body and functions? I always think it is important to teach kids at a young age about their bodies.

Soem of the kids don't seem to bright.

Edited by Suzy123, Sep 19, 2012 @ 7:54 AM.

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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 8:02 AM

I was thinking today about why the Duggars don't use their land for farming. And then the thought of the Howlers around farm equipment chilled my blood.
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 8:12 AM

I would put him down also if he was blowing the horn right in my face. He did this to at least one person.


This begs the question of why JB bought the trumpet in the first place. The older kids seem to have had rudimentary lessons in violin and piano with a teacher, but it seems like the younger kids are supposed to either teach themselves or go to a "buddy" for instruction. If JB has no intention of letting James take real lessons and he's just letting the kid make noise to give him something to do, he only has himself to blame.
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Posted Sep 19, 2012 @ 8:15 AM

Soem of the kids don't seem to bright.


They seem about where'd you'd expect them to be if they rolled around the house all day, with no schooling, outside friends, clubs or schedules. And feeding themselves glop out of a measuring cup (which was disgusting, by the way).

I have a six year old boy and if there is a snow day or a long summer day, without structure and he's locked inside, he degenerates into howler-type behavior. I guess it's just the effect of a brain trying to occupy itself.

Some of the howlers' behavior stems from neglect, like James blowing the trumpet in the exchange student's face. If someone (preferably one of his parents) had sat the kid down in a room, with his music, set a timer, and stuck their head in occasionally and said, "You are really making progress. Keep it up," or "Wow - I recognize that song," the kid wouldn't be rolling around the house trying to get a rise out of people.

Edited by NJRach, Sep 19, 2012 @ 8:16 AM.

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