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[jayseyfield]

I actually don't particularly like any of the spoilers except for the one about Claire, the quarterback and the rival cheerleader.

[Amelie06]

Quarterback? Rival cheerleader? I haven't heard about those storylines. I saw the first episode and generally liked it. I found Milo Ventim??? (I never watched Gilmore Girls) to be annoying with his emo bangs that he was constantly flipping from his face. But Adrian Pasdar and the flying twist was terribly interesting. That part of the episode was second only to Claire's evil mirror power in terms of sheer awesomeness.

[jayseyfield]

Quarterback? Rival cheerleader? I haven't heard about those storylines. I saw the first episode and generally liked it. I found Milo Ventim??? (I never watched Gilmore Girls) to be annoying with his emo bangs that he was constantly flipping from his face. But Adrian Pasdar and the flying twist was terribly interesting. That part of the episode was second only to Claire's evil mirror power in terms of sheer awesomeness.

If you want to read those spoilers go to the last page of the old Heroes thread. KsiteCraig linked to them.

I think you have Claire (the cheerleader) confused with Nikki (the one with the mirror power)

[Karoline]

Was Mark Parkman (Played by Greg Grunberg) in the Pilot? Because I honestly can't remember him.

[chimaera]

No, GG's character will be in the second episode.

[Scoop2]

IMDB has Grunberg listed as being part of the cast of the pilot.

He also was in the version of the pilot that was shown at the San Diego Comic-Con.

[lucky ladybug]

Yes, but in San Diego they specifically said that pilot was not the pilot that would be shown on television, and that they had to break it up into two "opening" episodes, so that GG would not actually appear until the second episode.

[KSiteCraig500]

Here's a compilation of the spoilers known so far, through episode #5.

[Shanti70]

Thanks for posting those spoilers. I am so excited for this show.

[stele3]

I haven't seen the whole pilot, but people where I work were watching it the other day and raving about it. Curious, I poked my head over their shoulders... in time to see a pretty blonde sticking her hand down a running garbage disposal, then pulling out her bloody, f-ed up fingers. Then her mom comes in and is talking to her and the girl hides her fingers behind her back, where they drip blood on the floor. Mommy doesn't notice and when the girl looks back at her hand, it's non-bloody and normal.

I'm guessing that the "invulnerable cheerleader."

[seffina]

I just saw the pilot and I LOVED It! I'm really excited about this show now.

I love Hiro's character and Niki's mirror chasing self. The only one that I wasn't too favorable about was Claire. All in all, I can't wait for the second episode.

Edited by seffina, Aug 28, 2006 @ 1:24 AM.

[slimdog]

I have been searching for the pilot online and can't find it anywhere (including "THE TUBE"). I know we can't discuss download sites on this board, but could someone email me a little help. Thanx :}

[Callbacks]

I just saw the pilot and I LOVED It! I'm really excited about this show now.

I love Hiro's character and Niki's mirror chasing self. The only one that I wasn't too favorable about was Claire. All in all, I can't wait for the second episode.

Heh, that's quite odd because I just saw it and really liked Claire, agree with Hiro and Nikki though, the others didn't really have that much of an affect on me: Stoner-painting guy's parts were boring and the whole twist at the end of the episode really ruined the two characters involved for me. Maybe they'll cut that bit out. Hopefully.

Anyway my reason for being here is to ask others who have seen the pilot; why did they have their powers before the Eclipse? I thought they were supposed to be brought on by it but Hiro stopped time in his office before the eclipse-roof scene occurred.. Any help?

[Midsommer]

I don't know if this is true or not, I read it on TV.com on the reviews of the show, and some guy said that it was a confirmed spoiler that Peter is not the one who can fly - its his brother.

Personally, I'm a little mad about that. I really wanted him to have this super cool power, and flying was it. Maybe he'll be like Proffessor X and be able to read people's minds? Or go into their minds when they dream? Because all of his belief stems from the fact that he sees it in his dreams, and the only constant in all of his dreams is his brother, so maybe?

I don't know. I'm just hoping they give him something wicked.

[grim squeaker]

[I'm posting this cautiously here in the hope that discussion of spoilers is appropriate in this thread, seeing that it is not labelled as "Spoilers only."]

I actually thought the twist at the end was one of the best parts of the pilot, and certainly the one that moved the show from "interesting" to "will certainly watch this" for me. Peter's storyline mostly consisted of trying to convince his brother that he could be something special on his own right, and if he had been able to prove this in the end by flying, he would have achieved his goal far too easily, and getting rid of his major motivation after one episode certainly isn't the most interesting route a protagonist can take. Instead, he not only has to find out that his self-esteem issues won't be resolved as easily, his sibling rivalry problem just rose to a whole new level, while Nathan suddenly has to face the problem of actually being extraordinary in a way he certainly never wanted. Thus, the situation sucks majorly for both of them, and makes for a pretty interesting storyline. Besides, I'm pretty sure Peter has powers of his own (viz his very elaborate flying dreams, and the fact that he was very anxious to talk to Nathan about them. He never tried to tell either his mother nor Simone that he could fly, and you would think he would trust them easier with information like that.).

Edited by grim squeaker, Aug 29, 2006 @ 7:26 AM.

[Midsommer]

Re: Peter

Oh, this is deffinitely the better way to go, storytelling-wise. It throws more sticks in the spokes, which is always fun. I'm just a big Milo Lover, and really want him to have a central role. I don't know, its a little childish, but I was kind of hoping that it would be him that could fly, but after I think about it, its really a more compelling story this way, and if I were writing it, I would probably do the same thing.

This change in Peter's role leaves him open for much more enticing story arcs or superpowers. And I'm thinking he's a kind of Proffessor X type of guy, who can zone in on other Heroes in his dreams, or go into other people's minds in their dreams.

Either way, this is very exciting, and makes me more interested in the Nathan character as well. I'm also really into Claire, and Hiro. I think Hiro is awesome, because he's such a dork, and he so deserves it, because he's the type of guy to be all idealistic with it, because he's immersed himself in that trekkie/comic book geek culture. And Claire just fascinates me because I think they could go in a lot of directions with her, just from the way they've presented her in the Promos. To me, she seems very pragmatic about it, like with all her experiments, she was just seeing how far she could go with it, and the saving of the man in the wreck was just part of her experiment, you know? So she was not exactly going out of her way to save him, he just happened to be there along the way. It seems like she could take it either way, for good or evil, but from the escalation of her experiments, it could be that she'll go the way that gives her more freedom to explore her abilities to their fullest.

[Shanti70]

Anyway my reason for being here is to ask others who have seen the pilot; why did they have their powers before the Eclipse? I thought they were supposed to be brought on by it but Hiro stopped time in his office before the eclipse-roof scene occurred.. Any help?

I saw the pilot and I'm not sure what the eclipse has to do with the heroes. I know it must be more than just a coincidence, but they do not get their powers from it.

[YannickB]

I saw the twist at the end coming, but what made it really interesting to me was Nathan's reaction to his power, he just seemed really scared that he could fly, it suddenly made me want to find out more about that guy and how he'll go through it.

[Semmi]

I read an article in dreamwatch magazine and it said that Peter was an empath. But man, I was feeling for him at the end when he was saying it's my turn to be someone now, and wait, nope, that's his brother's power.

Oh, this is deffinitely the better way to go, storytelling-wise. It throws more sticks in the spokes, which is always fun. I'm just a big Milo Lover, and really want him to have a central role. I don't know, its a little childish, but I was kind of hoping that it would be him that could fly, but after I think about it, its really a more compelling story this way, and if I were writing it, I would probably do the same thing.

Yeah, I felt the same way watching the end. It's like yay, Milo gets to do something really really cool, and Peter really wanted to fly too, which made it even harder at the end when Nathan turned out to be the flying one. And then I watched it again and I can't wait to see what they do with this.

[Fatdogsmells]

It's like yay, Milo gets to do something really really cool, and Peter really wanted to fly too, which made it even harder at the end when Nathan turned out to be the flying one. And then I watched it again and I can't wait to see what they do with this.

I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but am I alone in thinking that Peter isn't just an empath but a connector of some sort? Think about it, he's the only person whose had contact with more than one person of power/key player. Mohinder in the cab, his brother, the artist. Also, I don't think it's coincidence that Hrio (the teleporter) wound up in New York City where Peter also is. There's also Peter's uncanny ability with the dead/dying "I don't know what he'd do without you, you have a real gift." I suspect that while Mohinder is going to be the brains of the operation, Peter is the heart...the one that gets everyone together.

Edited by Fatdogsmells, Sep 4, 2006 @ 9:28 PM.

[Midsommer]

I think having him as a connector/empath is really, really cool actually.

I was writing a story once, with the main character as an empath, and she could not only feel what others felt but project feelings onto them. If they do something similar with Peter, who knows how awesome that could be - they could have him project intense emotions onto other people - which could be potentially dibilitating.

hmmm...I am even more into it now than I ever was before. I am so psyched for the premier!

[Clytaemestra]

To all who have seen the pilot what happened to the black guy from prison? Was he kicked off the show because he's not on the website.

[grim squeaker]

IIRC, he's going to show up a little later, in episode 4 or 5. At least I'm pretty sure I read that in one of the recaps of either the Comic Con presentation or some other press stuff the cast/crew did.

[Harrison Fjord]

Personally, I'm a little mad about that. I really wanted him to have this super cool power, and flying was it.

I'm not mad, but I'm annoyed. It seems to me that the pilot should be about affirming the powers, rather than undercutting them. And so far we have two characters who have done some prognosticating - Peter in his dreams, FuturePainter with his art - and in one case, both of them have been wrong already. There is certainly a time and place to explore weaknesses and "holes" in characters powers, but it seems to me that doing so before you've even fully established what it is that they *do* is a bad way to go about it. Maybe if this hadn't been a cliffhanger ending it wouldn't have felt so contrived and needy... if we'd only had to deal with a commercial break and then our resolution rather than a week (or in the case of us early previewers, several) between.

I guess it's a good thing that they writers are aware of audience expectations and are turning them on their ear, but I just can't help feeling if Peter had developed the ability to fly and still felt like he was living in his brother's shadow that it might have been both satisfying and dramatically open-ended without making me question not only Peter but the painter as well.

[topdeck]

Who says the figure in the painting was Peter? He and his brother do look alike ...

[Harrison Fjord]

I'll grant you that, but he was dressed exactly like Peter, in an outfit I can't see well-suited politico like Nathan wearing, with Peter's long forelock blowing in the wind. To say that it wasn't Peter in the painting is cheating, I think.

[grim squeaker]

And so far we have two characters who have done some prognosticating - Peter in his dreams, FuturePainter with his art - and in one case, both of them have been wrong already.

How has Isaac been wrong? He showed Peter jumping off the building, which is exactly what happened. Peter just interpreted it as him being able to fly.
As for Peter's dreams, how do we know it was him who was flying? Nathan was always either in the dreams or connected to them in some way. It's all a question of what Peter thinks the dreams mean, or the painting means. His interpretation seems to be what is off, not necessarily the thing that is predicted.

Edited by grim squeaker, Sep 13, 2006 @ 5:39 PM.

[politikgirl]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I was very disappointed by the pilot. I thought it dragged, and there are no characters that I particularly like. It's an interesting concept, and I'll probably watch the next few episodes to see where the show goes, but this is by no means a fall favourite.

[Harrison Fjord]

Good points, grim squeaker. I think I can buy into that overall, though I'm still not entirely sure I can buy Isaac's painting representing Peter falling - I will give it the benefit of the doubt though, if only because I enjoyed everything else.

I think one thing that I particularly liked was the way the episode title appeared as if "drawn" into the set like some comic books do with issue titles. The whole first part, including the font for the credits, was very nicely comicish.