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I love Janice. Discuss.

[rustyspigot]

Yay! This episode was SO much better. More ridicule and embarrassment e.g. "Get on the scale". More nudity e.g. man ass. More Janice as Drag Queen/Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford
e.g. did you see her get up going to the plastic surgeon?

Castoff of fugly homeless girl, yay! Even though she looked her best leaving.

Sorry to see Ian the boring pretty boy go.

Janice shockingly lucid and professional! Who knew? Oh, and thank God they didn't show another round of botox when Janice mentioned it at the plastic surgeon, for a second I was looking for the remote.

Edited by rustyspigot, Jun 13, 2006 @ 9:51 PM.

[Nich337]

Loving it. I can't put into words how much I'm enjoying Janice. She was so much more tactful (I know!) than Peter; it's remarkable how she can be brutally honest and totally sympathetic at the same time.

Teresa annoyed me. But what amused me was that when they showed Janice meeting her "next to a lamp post," she was clearly next to...a tree. Maybe there was a lamp post outside the shot, but in my mind, Janice was on one of her wonderful drugs and believed that the tree was a lamp post. To be fair, it did have Christmas lights wrapped around it, so perhaps it was an easy mistake to make.

When they walked the line of models in, two of them looked exactly like ANTM Brittany & Bre. The Brit-doppelganger (Crystal?) didn't look so similar when they showed her close up, but I didn't get a good look at "Bre." It wasn't actually her, was it? I assume Tyra has all her girls bound by about 65 different contracts that prevent them from doing anything that's not directly related to ANTM or her talk show.

Oh, that poor garbageman.

Edited by Nich337, Jun 13, 2006 @ 9:47 PM.

[swankie]

I hate Peter. No tact, almost like he relishes being cruel. Frankly, I think Janice would be the hardest person in the world to work with because she's so spastic. She can love you to death, and 3 seconds later you're on her crap list. She seems very disorganized and has no order to her madness. That would drive me crazy. She's very prone to almost turrette-like blurting and seems to be caffeine (or something stronger) driven. I'll take Irene Marie over her any day.

[Nich337]

double post. Sorry, screwy computer.

Edited by Nich337, Jun 13, 2006 @ 9:44 PM.

[Nich337]

Crap, triple post? That's a first.

Edited by Nich337, Jun 13, 2006 @ 9:45 PM.

[Bigwheels1971]

Maybe this is bitchy but I'm starting to wonder if TC was actually homeless (which I personally define as sleeping in doorways or a shelter). I'm sorry but she looked too good in that last interview to not have a place to stay. I could be wrong and if I am, my sincere apologies. I just started to wonder if she didn't have a permanent address, and was crashing on a friend's couch.

To me, Peter just said what a lot of us on the forums were thinking (about both sexes). Was he a dick? Yeah. Do I want those women puking over the toilet? Absolutely Not. Maybe they shouldn't be there though.

Edited by Bigwheels1971, Jun 13, 2006 @ 10:10 PM.

[MisterMcGee]

Not only man ass, but close-up man ass. Good third episode, but already losing 2 out of the first 5? Oh well.

[Dream Boy]

"Because I'm a bitch and I can sense another bitch." Bwah.

Gotta love 'er.

[swankie]

To me, Peter just said what a lot of us on the forums were thinking (about both sexes). Was he a dick? Yeah. Do I want those women puking over the toilet? Absolutely Not. Maybe they shouldn't be there though.

The problem with Peter is that when he looks at those young people, he doesn't see a person, he sees a dollar amount. I don't care if the models do need to toughen up, there is a way to get your point across without being so friggin mean about it. After all, they are the ones who will be bringing in the revenue. Cudos to Janice for sticking up for them in her own way. In my opinion, Janice and the Dick Wad should have had each model weigh in and be critiqued seperately...as in away from the others. And I also don't agree with Janice's man-handling of the tattooed male model. Isn't that sexual harrassment? It just seems so unprofessional. I'm just really biased because of watching Irene Marie on 8th & Ocean and seeing the way she handles her models. I just can't see her making Vinci strip in front of everyone and panting about how he's "packin". I almost expected her to grab his package there for a minute. That's just so wrong to me.

[Bigwheels1971]

Janice and the Dick Wad should have had each model weigh in and be critiqued seperately...as in away from the others.

Great point! That would have been much more humane.

[ElectraGlide]

Oh, and thank God they didn't show another round of botox when Janice mentioned it at the plastic surgeon, for a second I was looking for the remote.

ITA. Her forehead was a disgusting, bubbly mess. I'll take the wrinkles, please.

[Nich337]

To me, Peter just said what a lot of us on the forums were thinking (about both sexes). Was he a dick? Yeah. Do I want those women puking over the toilet? Absolutely Not. Maybe they shouldn't be there though.

The problem with Peter is that when he looks at those young people, he doesn't see a person, he sees a dollar amount. I don't care if the models do need to toughen up, there is a way to get your point across without being so friggin mean about it.

Exactly. The way he looked at & spoke to them was just so mechanical & judgmental. Janice managed to get the same point across ("You won't get work with a body like this") by phrasing it as constructive criticism. She didn't tell the models that they weren't good enough with a condescending shrug--she said they needed to work harder, and she acknowledged the crappiness of the situation while demonstrating a lot of empathy for them. I'm shocked to say it, but this is a woman who knows how to work with people.

[rulla lenzka]

Janice is a complex person (did I just type that?) but yeah, she is coarse, rude, loud, scary, but she also has an air of vuneralbility about her that makes me like her. She did show some compassion for the two girls who were humiliated infront of everyone. I did feel sorry for the whole group, they came in standing tall and smiling thinking they where just going to meet Janice's new partner and here he is, in all his puffy glory picking them apart.

Does anyone know if modeling agencies pay for models to get plastic surgery? I was just wondering how Theresa was expected to pay for a nose job if she is homeless?

I didn't understand her attitude with Janice, something must be missing there,it just seemed so out of the blue because she seemed so gracious and sweet before.

[katesus7]

It made sense to me, if she actually thought what she said she thought. Which was, basically "Well Janice Dickenson came up to me on the street, and said I had potential as a model, and I came in, and she said she was hiring me, and there were these cameras, and she said she'd make sure I'd have a place to live, and so I thought I was going to be a model, and have a house, and be set!" Yeah, I know, it's not what Janice actually said, but if I was homeless and this BSC famous person came up to me and 'signed' me to her agency? And weeks later I was still living on the street, but expected to come in to some random Dr. to have my nose done? I think I might be a bit freaked out as well.

I don't know, I think this is one of those "editing" things, but the way it showed, I felt sympathy for Theresa. Because that would be a hell of a lot to process.

[swankie]

but if I was homeless and this BSC famous person came up to me and 'signed' me to her agency? And weeks later I was still living on the street, but expected to come in to some random Dr. to have my nose done? I think I might be a bit freaked out as well.

I totally agree. I thought I was going to lose it when Janice's assistant said that he told her (Theresa) to be at the corner where she's staying, so he could bring her to the appointment. It struck me funny at first, but then I thought, "Did he just say what I thought he said?" And then, to top it off, Janice throws in that she was homeless when she started out and managed to be everywhere on time, so its no excuse. Uhh, maybe the girl changed corners to keep from being arrested, or worse yet, killed, raped, or whatever. Living on the streets is way worse than when you were a girl 200 years ago Janice! I sort of think having a place to live and feel safe is more urgent and important than meeting some random doctor about a nose job.

ETA -- Also, if one consultation with this doctor costs $2,000.00, then no wonder Janice is so hard up for money all of the time. With all of the work she's had done, this guy must be a gazillionaire.

Edited by swankie, Jun 14, 2006 @ 12:45 AM.

[Tigerredux]

Love Janice. I thought TC was an absolute bitch, and liked that Janice called her on it. How many stars were just picked out of a soda store, or in a mall or just seen on the streets and given opportunity but had to go for a little work. Marilyn Monroe to start the list off. Seriously that was fame and fortune knocking, even if she didn't go far with Janice at least get the nose done. Plus with a little personality, who knows what that kid could have done. Instead she was waiting for, who knows what, and she was nasty and had an attitude about the whole thing. Actually she only had to call and say, I'm a little freaked by the whole thing.

Frankly anyone 20 years old knows how to move around the internet, palm pilot or whatever (I'm saying internet because you can go to a library and get free access even if you are technically homeless). If it's making you nervous, go look up Janice Dickenson, get some info, then ask a few questions.

I think Janice was smart to eject that accident waiting to happen, because she would have been hand holding that kid all the way.

Speaking of which what's up with fug African chick Nybel, who thinks she's way smokin hot. I mean Janice is going for the Alec Welk market with her, we get it, and she does have rich chocolate complextion, but does she think she's that good that she can just walk out the door when dissatisfied and make demands no less? Short for a model and delusional, and Janice handled it beautifully. I don't think the other girl could cut it (blondie).

I always feel like Janice is just on the verge of desperation (Sorin cheeks, she needed a pick me up & Garbage Man, who completely dissed her, save for the slight what's up hand throw at the end, perhaps she's been out there before in some sort of negligee or scantily clad something). Or utter greatness, "What's wrong with you Peter I believe in my girls" and "I'm sensing bitchiness," whiny snotty, well now that you mention b..."oh I'm definitely a bitch that's how I know I'm looking at a bitch, your done, get out, don't come back".

That is exactly how you handle a bitch, then of course the Janice insecurity kicks right in "do you think I did the right thing, I mean you saw the bitchiness right?"

[angelsoulnme]

I agree with the general opinion that this was a better episode than the first two. I also noticed in Janices "interviews" she looked a lot CLEARER, which may mean less filter on the lenses.

I know that everyone thinks Peter was too harsh, BUT I think that there was a method to his madness. He is now HALF partner with Janice, and like she said, she has a bunch of models that are not ready to model, except for that guy (sorry his name escapes me) that she had naked covering his privates. LOL Except the trainer seemed to think his back was too broad.

The blond chick, and Sudanese both got all hurt and insulted, but they better learn now that if they want to be in that game, they better step up their game. Janice did nice by going after them to offer some comfort, but notice what blondie did when she was shown some softness ... she started crying, and making excuses about how she was working her ass off. 150 pounds is pretty heavy. I guarantee you that if Peter had not been so hard on her, and if she wasn't given two weeks to really start taking it off or get to stepping, she would have come back 2 weeks later weighing the same 150 pounds. Blondie by far does have the prettiest face, Janice wasn't kidding about that.

Onto Miss Sudanese.... (And mind you, I happen to like her the best - I know she isn't the prettiest on video, but I LOVED her pictures!) WTF? Come on now! They weren't asking her to stand there stark naked! All the other MODELS in the room had already stood there in their underwear and got smiley or unsmiley faces stamped on their various body parts. There was comraderie in the room! They are all in this together! One for all and all for one right?? I could understand if Janice had a roomful of clothed people who were there soley to pick and rip this chick apart with stickers and magic markers, but that wasn't the case.

It's funny how there are always a few in the bunch where things go to their heads a might to quickly. I can just hear Miss Sudanese now....

Janice: "Sudanese are you going to take off your clothes?"

Miss Sudanese: Thinking to herself "Well, I am AFRICAN after all, and Miss Janice herself said I am smoking hot, I think I am smoking hot, I always thought my face was kinda messed up, but here in America EVERYONE thinks I am smoking hot. I can get a modeling job at ANY MODELING AGENCY IN AMERICA BECAUSE I AM A SMOKING HOT AFRICAN, and I because of that, I don't have to subject myself to what all these AMERICAN models have to do so I think I will say"

Miss Sudanese "NO"!

Sigh.... Just like T-Cutie. Not realizing that this is probably their one in a million shot of making it. Not only that, they have the ADVANTAGE of being a MODEL in the MAKING on TV! Which also makes them a reality show star! What are they STUPID??? T-Cutie was all "Janice I don't mind! I hate my big nose anyway! I'll have a nose job! No problem!" and then she just doesn't show up for a freaking $2,000 consultation? (By the way, Plastic Surgeons who charge $2,000 for a consult should be shot. That is just too wrong in my eyes, who does he think he is GOD? GGrrrr)

All in all I liked the episode, and I LOVE AND ADORE JANICE. Everyone makes fun of her because she looks "FAKE" but I think she looks HOT and I can only HOPE to look an EIGHTH of as good as she does at 52 freaking years old.

In my post last week, I made a comment on how hard she has to work to look like that bodywise, and someone responded by saying she didn't work out, she had lipo. Not saying that Miss Janice never had lipo, but I noticed her biceps in that tank top, and there is no way homegirl doesn't work out.

Keep doing your thing Janice!

ETA: SHOUT OUT TO POTES! OMG I LOVE YOUR RE-CAPS ... Peter Porker... LMFAO

Edited by angelsoulnme, Jun 14, 2006 @ 5:47 AM.

[Princess PJ]

"I'm sensing bitch" is totally the new "smells like cupcakes", y'all!

I liked this episode much more than last week's premiere. Janice is better when she's smart and semi-lucid rather than falling apart and crying that she "can't do this shit". I love that she kicked Teresa My-name-is-so-fucking-twee-that-it-will-not-be-typed to the curb. Maybe she had her reasons for not showing up, but the first thing out of her mouth was not "I'm so sorry I missed the appointment, I know it wasn't professional, but here's my excellent reason for not showing or calling," but "You promised me a place to live"? Bitch, please.

[Bigwheels1971]

...and she said she'd make sure I'd have a place to live...

That's the impression I got. I did think that was mean of Janice to just ignore that point in TC's argument.

[cgogis]

"Getting a nose job is a big honking deal." Heh.

[ags]

I think all of the parties - Janice, Peter and the models knew what they were getting into being part of a reality show, so weighing, measuring and critiquing them in front of the cameras come with reality TV territory. To me, the model that was mistreated was Sorin, who had to get buck naked, and that was all Janice.

Peter pretty much had to come in and clean up Janice's mess. Janice messed up in her initial selection process. It does not make good business sense for a start up agency to select models who could not have been sent out for jobs right away (or was at least they should have been 90% ready, and the work needed was in the areas of personal polish, e.g., charm school type stuff); not models who needed to undergo significant physical transformation. At this stage of the game, Janice cannot afford to make "investments" that will take months before any type of benefit will be realized, if at all. I agree with Janice's hairdresser, she is just a sucker for a good story; which is by the way a criticism that is often made against Tyra, and many assumed that Janice would be the anti-Tyra.

You can't tell me that in LA-LA Land you couldn't find some tall, skinny types in need of representation. The more I think of it, perhaps she should have selected that older chick, because she looks like she may have come in the door with her own network and reputation, and thus could have generated money right away.

Also, I assumed that Teresa's homelessness was more crashing on friends' couches than sleeping outdoors or in shelters. Did the show specify one way or another? While not showing up for the appointment was inexcusable, I too had the impression that Janice was going to assist Teresa in getting on her feet in some way.

Edited by ags, Jun 14, 2006 @ 8:51 AM.

[Luciaphile]

The business partner certainly picked up right away that she needed more and stronger female models.

(I'm saying internet because you can go to a library and get free access even if you are technically homeless).

Very true. The homeless and public libraries go way back.

[Tigerredux]

At least Teresa-C can enjoy her 2.5 minutes of fame from the trailor park back in Florida, it will be a good story to tell her 5 kids, when they don't believe she could have been a model.

[Senorito]

And then, to top it off, Janice throws in that she was homeless when she started out and managed to be everywhere on time, so its no excuse. Uhh, maybe the girl changed corners to keep from being arrested, or worse yet, killed, raped, or whatever. Living on the streets is way worse than when you were a girl 200 years ago Janice!

Don't get me wrong. I love Janice to death, but in her book she describes her move to New York in vivid detail. She had a wealthy friend who's mother owned a swanky apt. Janice crashed on their sofa until she was able to get on her feet. So while she was technically without an address, she was not homeless.

That aside, I do have respect for her, she really did bust her ass to make her modeling career happen. Even pre-New York it was indeed something she worked very hard for.

[soymilk]

I'm a little worried because at the end of the episode Janice hinted that she might consider taking back Teresa if she ever returned, which makes me think a) this whole show is even more contrived than I had suspected, and b) Teresa is really Janice's sister's accountant's cousin.

And the ugly truth comes out when Nyabel is not 5'9" as she claimed in the first episode, but barely clearing 5'7". Get her a one-way ticket back to Munchkinland.

[annabellee]

I also enjoyed this episode way more than the two from last week.

Last week, I was all "aww, look at that, Janice is gonna save that poor girl from a life on the streets".
This week I was all "Oh Noes, Janice told her to get a nose job".
But she was all "Sure, K, fine Janice, I'll get a nose job".
Then "Whoopsies, I changed my mind about the nose job, but could you find me somewhere to live?"
Janice is all "Oh no you didnt, bitch, get out!"

I love Janice, not in spite of being BSC, but because of it. Also? She was pretty 'normal' here, it was nice to see.

I also dont think Teresa is "homeless" the way I think of homeless people. I live in NYC, and you can see actual homeless people sleeping in the streets, not one of em is wearing a cute sparkly tank and tons of mascara. I'm guessing friends couch, maybe a youth hostel or some kind of shelter, I mean, she looks bathed.

So, I do think she was pretty bitchy to Janice, but havent three months already gone by from last week to this? If shes been 'signed' with Janice, and still homeless for 3 months, I guess I'd be kinda mad too.

Side note: I dont know if it played everywhere, but here, they give "The Tyra Banks Show" at 11 on Oxygen, and Janice was on it, so I watched, it was all about the "dark side" of modeling. Anyone else catch it? She was pretty coherent, and funny.

[I Love Me]

I just love the fact that The Tyra Banks Show comes on directly after Janice's. Ha!

To me, the model that was mistreated was Sorin, who had to get buck naked

I think we, the viewers, were mistreated because we didn't get to actually see his dead rabbit.

Edited by I Love Me, Jun 14, 2006 @ 10:24 AM.

[nicepebbles]

The only part I saw was when the Sudanese girl and the girl she was with were crying/upset about what Peter said. I'm sure he could have said what he said with a little more tact, in a nicer way. Yet, I kept thinking, "Tougher up." Then Janice came in and said Peter was right. And the white girl agreed with her. So I was like, "Shut it then." I have to catch it on reruns. I decided to watch Tues Nite Bk Club.