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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 4:56 PM

I haven't been watching this season of 30 Rock as closely as I used to but I tuned in last night for Colleen.

And I don't think this is the last we will see of her, I think as long as the actress is alive (which will hopefully be for a long time!) they will continue to use her a few times a season


A friend of mine knows Ms. Stritch quite well and told me her health is failing and that she had a great deal of difficulty shooting this episode (and in her last one woman show) because she can no longer remember her lines. Though I was told that filming this episode didn't go well, I didn't really think you could tell. I thought she was funny starring down Liddy. I would watch a whole show of babies glaring at Elaine Stritch.

I liked Gris and Dotcom filing the entourage paperwork.
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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 7:50 PM

I liked that Jack wasn't convinced it was his mother in the hospital (in spite of her name, birthday, and hilariously named hospital of birth) until the doctor said, "She calls me Aladdin."

Edited by ElectricBoogalo, Apr 13, 2012 @ 7:51 PM.

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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 8:41 PM

Very sorry that Paul moved on.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 9:47 AM

A friend of mine knows Ms. Stritch quite well and told me her health is failing and that she had a great deal of difficulty shooting this episode (and in her last one woman show) because she can no longer remember her lines. Though I was told that filming this episode didn't go well, I didn't really think you could tell. I thought she was funny starring down Liddy. I would watch a whole show of babies glaring at Elaine Stritch.


I would never have guessed that based on the show. Looked as good as ever. She really steals the shows she is on with Jack.

I think this season the show is still good for great individual lines, but the overall stories I haven't cared for much.

Is Liz still dating her boyfriend? Have we seen him since St. Patrick's Day?
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 4:25 PM

For me, the writing of at least the last three episodes has been off. Some people call this show a joke machine - meaning that story and characters both come second to the jokes - but with these episodes, too many of the jokes feel half-baked. The one I remember the most was from a few eps back, when Liz said last year Jenna was upset she wasn't getting enough 'k' sounds in her lines, and then Pete chimes in that his cousin broke his clavicle or something. That's a reasonably funny premise for a joke there on Pete's line, but in execution it just fell pretty flat.

And then as far as character goes, I'm not sure the Tracy of a few years ago would have been that crappy a dad to his son. I'm sure he has ignored his kids a lot, but for him to learn a valuable life lesson and then immediately forget it ("I said goodbye, my son") is a bit more sociopathic than normal for Trey.

Also, all that 'hipster racism' stuff (saying racist things ironically, and also sexist, etc) leaves me cold. I think this show has mined that vein of comedy well in previous seasons, but again in execution, this ep's stuff with the Woggles mostly just seemed awful. edited to add link to explain what I meant by that phrase.

Edited by arc, Apr 17, 2012 @ 11:06 PM.

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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 8:22 PM

And then as far as character goes, I'm not sure the Tracy of a few years ago would have been that crappy a dad to his son. I'm sure he has ignored his kids a lot, but for him to learn a valuable life lesson and then immediately forget it ("I said goodbye, my son") is a bit more sociopathic than normal for Trey.


Although when he thought they were trying to Mendez him and realized they weren't he had a sweet moment and then immediately said that if anything happens to him they will go to jail for a long time.
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Posted Apr 17, 2012 @ 10:12 AM

This episode is another exhibit to answer those who think 30 Rock is a pure joke machine, devoid of any and all sentiment like Seinfeld. That's never been true any time Jack and Liz are on screen, and both Tracy and Jenna have had their character moments at times.

I thought the Jenna and Tracy plots were hilarious as well as heartfelt. The Jack/Liz/Colleen plot was not quite as funny, but quite heartwarming. If it's true that Elaine Stritch's health is failing, it's good that the show was able to end her character's run on a high note, providing some resolution for Jack.
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Posted Apr 17, 2012 @ 10:21 AM

On today's NPR Morning Edition, Alec Baldwin was interviewed about his campaign for more arts funding. Towards the end of the interview (5:30 in), the topic changed to his recent tweets. He said that 30 Rock will complete its sixth season and will have a seventh season of indeterminate length. Regarding the (production of the?) show he said "I think after this year we're done".

Edited by Bachmann, Apr 17, 2012 @ 10:32 AM.

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Posted Apr 17, 2012 @ 10:09 PM

Per the Woggels' hipster racism stuff, it was odd when they chanted "Woggel Power" and then the guy asided, "Woggel means White" ... well, it doesn't. Wog is pretty derogatory term for a person of colour.

http://www.urbandict...ne.php?term=wog
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Posted Apr 17, 2012 @ 11:00 PM

Bachmann, at least he confirmed that he'll stay 'til the end. I'm of the mindset that Liz and Jack are the heart and soul of 30 Rock, so I really can't imagine the show without him.
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Posted Apr 18, 2012 @ 11:03 PM

Per the Woggels' hipster racism stuff, it was odd when they chanted "Woggel Power" and then the guy asided, "Woggel means White" ... well, it doesn't. Wog is pretty derogatory term for a person of colour.


I'm pretty sure "Woggle means white" was a joke. There's already a show called "The Wiggles" and this was a parody, and jokes about white supremacy were sprinkled throughout the episode. The writers may or may not have known about "wog" already being a derogatory term (I know I didn't).

Re: Alec Baldwin, he seems to have a different comment every week about the future of the show and his participation in it. This has been ongoing for at least a couple of seasons now. I barely pay attention anymore to what he's saying about it. I do agree that it's hard to picture the show without him, so however long it goes, I hope he is there until the end.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 12:00 AM

When and why did Cheyenne Jackson leave?
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 1:58 PM

They didn't say - but they never used him well anyway. I was sad about how little singing we got.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 4:03 PM

This episode is another exhibit to answer those who think 30 Rock is a pure joke machine, devoid of any and all sentiment like Seinfeld. That's never been true any time Jack and Liz are on screen, and both Tracy and Jenna have had their character moments at times


I felt just the opposite. I thought this episode showed they can write funny lines and set up great jokes, but outside the Jack/Colleen plot, I don't think the other storylines, in this episodes or pretty much all season, have worked that well
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 4:33 PM

When and why did Cheyenne Jackson leave?


I suppose it would be easy to speculate about the why after Tracy's comments but I don't think anyone really knows for sure. I do think it is sad that they never foud a way to use him well because I really enjoyed him the few times he got to shine. I really liked when he was Liz's office hookup.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 4:48 PM

They didn't say - but they never used him well anyway. I was sad about how little singing we got.


I always used to forget that he was actually on the show until they had a scene with him.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 8:29 PM

Not my favorite episode but the gay porn role play at the start made me laugh out loud. I love Criss. I love him for just going with it (up to a point) and for trying to be romantic (and Liz not totally getting it).

I love the continuity on this show. Like how Mythbusters gets Liz going (I wonder if Criss has read her erotic Mythbusters fanfiction).


And Kevin can't be all that bad. He raised a good daughter. And he obviously watches iCarly with her (he used the word "chiz").

Criss is far and away my favorite Liz boyfriend and I hope he never leaves (eventhough I know he will).

Edited by Cherith, Apr 19, 2012 @ 10:00 PM.

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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 9:00 PM

I like Liz and Criss together thus far, and I liked the mini-Liz, Kat. "That I'd look like a lesbian. I know, I just needed to hear someone say it." Aww.

Then the Jenna stuff was awesome. I loved the Mickey *Rourke continuity, her next project reveal on The Today Show, and Paul handcuffing himself to Tracy while he and Jenna... well, y'know.

ETA: Rooney is not Rourke. Spider bites are not forever.

Edited by Phan, Apr 21, 2012 @ 4:46 PM.

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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 9:01 PM

I'm pretty sure I heard Tracy call Jenna "Jane" during their bedside chat.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 9:15 PM

I love ANY plotline where Tracy is someone's wacky sidekick. Really, he's even funnier egging someone else on versus his own antics.

I liked the mini-Liz, Kat.

I sort of did, but I feel they've gone this route (with us seeing alternate versions of Liz) a few times too many now.

The Stacy Keach parts were pretty hilarious.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 9:31 PM

Best episode in a while, since Kidnapped by Danger probably. I laughed a lot but I really liked that they brought back Liz's adoption storyline.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 9:58 PM

I'm pretty sure I heard Tracy call Jenna "Jane" during their bedside chat.


He definitely did, but it was right after he said that he's never made a mistake...so on purpose?
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 10:11 PM

Most of the time I think the show is just a pale shadow of what it once was, though I keep watching it faithfully. But this episode drove home how much affection I have for these characters. I was so happy when Jenna and Paul got back together in a way I never would have expected, and Liz and Criss's final moments deciding to put the child issue on the table had me all smiles. I still think the show should end sooner rather than later, but I love these characters and will miss them when they're gone.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 11:16 PM

I loved the Mickey Rooney continuity,

Mickey ROURKE. But Mickey Rooney is... interesting. Anyway, Jenna and Tracy screaming with spiders all over him cracked me up.

I thought this was a great ep. Really funny throughout. I loved the Stacy Keach Clint Eastwood-type commerials. I loved all the stuff with KouchTown. The horribly uncomfortable and ugly couches were hysterical.

Any idea who all the couch people were? Of course Ethan Allen, but there were conjoined twins, the butch woman(?), and two other guys? I'm drawing a blank on furniture stores.

I really liked Kat. I wouldn't mind seeing her again.

I even liked the Jenna story. Tracy was used really well.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 11:19 PM

I hope Cat can make a return appearance, because Liz and her together were awesome. Loved Jack's reveal about why he actually set up that date for Lemon. That caught me by surprise. I'm really hoping now that Criss is the one for Liz, because he has the perfect temperament to go with hers.

Two parts of tonight's episode had me crying from laughing so hard: Jenna's appearance on the Today show and Jack (and Liz) sitting in his crappy KouchTown couch. That one of these couches might lead to Avery getting out of North Korea was quite fitting.

The first Stacy Keach commercial was so realistic, that I thought it was an actual commercial until they showed the couch. I love when this show has unannounced guests, and Stacy Keach was perfect for this role.

but I love these characters and will miss them when they're gone.


Me too. Liz Lemon is the closest a television character has ever gotten to being like myself.
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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 11:50 PM

The opening few seconds of this episode, with Liz singing the racist "clean up" song, had me almost in tears. I told Mr. Mickey that an episode that started off that funny couldn't possibly be bad, and I was glad to have that belief proven true. This was a hilarious episode, and I love Liz and Criss together.

Although I have to say, I'm a bit surprised that Liz saw Cat as a reason why she SHOULD have a child. Is she the child Liz would love to have and would try to raise? Sure. But look at her dad - he's a douche, and he clearly had nothing to do with how awesome she is. So I see Liz thinking (or overthinking, as the case may be - but that's Liz), "What if I end up having some vain, vapid, Republican for a child?" Cat's pretty much the embodiment of nature over nurture, and I'd think that might freak Liz out a little.

That said, I agree with whomever said above that they'd love to see her make a repeat appearance on the show! I really loved her and her interactions with Liz.

Edited by MickeyMickey, Apr 19, 2012 @ 11:51 PM.

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Posted Apr 20, 2012 @ 5:43 AM

Any idea who all the couch people were? Of course Ethan Allen, but there were conjoined twins, the butch woman(?), and two other guys? I'm drawing a blank on furniture stores


The twins were Raymour & Flanigan and the androgynous person was Ashley Furniture. Jack mentioned them in an earlier scene.

I loved Jenna's "breakdown" to get Paul back, I think those crazy kids are gonna make it.

Jack setting Liz up with Mini-Liz was cute, and him saying that the world needs more Liz Lemons was really sweet. I liked that he realized that after he saw the "American Made Kouches." But it was a nice little touch that his couches could be the thing that brings Avery back.
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Posted Apr 20, 2012 @ 6:29 AM

Criss is far and away my favorite Liz boyfriend and I hope he never leaves (eventhough I know he will).

He's mine too and I'm really hoping they make it (so much so that I'm a little torn on more seasons. I don't want the show canceled but, the earlier it ends, the more likely it is that Criss will still be around).

I'm a bit sad I didn't get to learn how to make rollar coasters or Survivor challenges in engineering school.
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Posted Apr 20, 2012 @ 7:49 AM

It was so nice to see Paul back. I want Jenna to have some real happiness.
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Posted Apr 20, 2012 @ 7:56 AM

Liz should adopt Cat from under Kevin, she was perfect!

Lol "I've never made a mistake, so I don't know how you feel. But I'm here for you, Jane."

Love Jenna's continuing saga with Mickey Rourke
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