Commandant Mele-on Grayza: "Peacekeeper Bitch."
Posted May 16, 2006 @ 10:06 AM
I read a suggestion a while ago (and am not sure how much I buy into it) but Grayza might be part Nebari. That would explain her mantra "For the Greater Good." as she explains to Akhna in "Bringing Home the Beacon", and her willingness to use sex to advance her cause - which is exactly how the Nebari are planning to conquor the rest of the galaxy.
Not to mention the "Grayza" make up is somewhat different from the rest of the PKs. She is very white and the highlights on her face and lips are almost purple. Very Nebari. (Of course that might be the result of a makeup person having fun with the colours in their kit.)
Whether she is part Nebari or not, Grayza is not a one-dimensional villian. Her stated goal - like Scorpy's - is the preservation of the Peacekeeper Race. She seems to have powerful backers in High Command.
I think Scorpy also has backers in High Command - and Grayza and he are just the individuals the audience sees embodying the conflict between the two factions. Heck - maybe there are more than two factions... we don't know.
Grayza herself tho, is a member of the same department(?), as Scorpy. Their costumes are superficially similar - only Scorpy has his adapted to accomodate a coolent suit, and Grayza's is adapted to accomodate her... tools. (I can't believe I just typed that.)
I would have liked to have heard more backstory on Grayza and the PK's. When you think about it, all the PK's we ever encountered were those working outside the influence of the central core. They might have been working at the instigation of those IN the central core - but they weren't the central core themselves.
Neither of them... both characters were not exactly stellar examples of PK purity. At all.
Edited by Firecracker1, May 16, 2006 @ 10:10 AM.
Posted May 16, 2006 @ 10:31 AM
Edited by garymarcella, May 16, 2006 @ 10:34 AM.
Posted May 16, 2006 @ 10:44 AM
If Grayza had been male she would be described as foresightful and with an uncanny ability to seize opportunity to her best advantage.
Instead ... Grayza is not considered someone who earned the rank that she was given but someone who had to have it 'cause the appropriate candidate wasn't available.
I don't like Grayza - but I don't think PKs work like that.
She gets the results. She gets the promotion.
Posted May 20, 2006 @ 5:32 PM
I don't know that Grayza was as completely fleshed out as she could have been (I'm talking character, not cleavage!) but then we did only get one season with her. And a miniseries. But nothing like either Crais or Scorpius. I would have liked to have found out more about her, but for what we saw, she was an appropriately eeeeevil baddie.
Posted May 20, 2006 @ 5:43 PM
I'm enough of a pig to have enjoyed the outfit, though.
Posted May 21, 2006 @ 6:26 AM
Posted Jun 6, 2006 @ 3:42 PM
Maybe I need to watch the fourth season again to get a better view of her, but as it stands, for me she's probably the most superfluous semi-regular on the show.
Posted Dec 5, 2007 @ 2:02 AM
Had Season 5 made it through, I think Grayza's ambition, determination, and driving desire to take revenge on Crichton would have pushed her to make some kind of terrible decision--traded something for a power she couldn't control. She showed her preference for operatives by using the Skreeth, and on top of that, the disadvantage of her Heppel gland was VERY clearly pointed out by Sikozu: it shortens her lifespan. We never found out how much so, did we?
I can very easily see Grayza running into the problem of the reduction of her lifespan--perhaps getting sick from it--and making some terrible trade-off, either to remove her Heppel gland and restore her health, or to allow her to kill Crichton before she could die. Maybe something like some kind of DNA change, or the grafting of some alien body parts? I'm not sure, exactly. But I felt that Grayza's hatred for Crichton was sidelined before it could ever grow; she was presented as a villain, but she very quickly became instead a neutral character who was not on Crichton's side, but was not against him per se either.
One could even tie that in with the Chiana-Aeryn-Noranti imagery, had she ever gone down that path, by casting Grayza as Nemesis, the Dark Goddess who wreaked vengeance upon those who tried to defy their fate. It definitely feels like the way the writers wanted her to go.
Posted Dec 5, 2007 @ 7:28 AM
However, I definitely want to know what she had planned for her child. Was it really John's? Or would she merely want him to think that as a way to manipulate him?
Grayza as Nemesis, the Dark Goddess who wreaked vengeance upon those who tried to defy their fate. It definitely feels like the way the writers wanted her to go.
I'm not sure I would have liked this. She was already dangerously close to being one-dimensional, simply because we knew so little about her. To cast her in a pure revenge role would only add to that. I don't think I could have handled an entire episode devoted to her, like Scorpy had Incubator, but it would have been nice to learn more about her. Learning her backstory could have gone a long way toward mitigating the loathing I have for her.
Posted Dec 6, 2007 @ 2:09 AM
I'm not sure I would have liked this. She was already dangerously close to being one-dimensional, simply because we knew so little about her. To cast her in a pure revenge role would only add to that.
Sorry--I didn't mean that her role would be, "OMG kill Crichton." I meant that her dichotomy of motivation between peace and revenge could drive her to make a rash decision in an attempt to fulfill her objectives. Once she made that decision, she might realize that it was a mistake, but it would be too late to change it; and as such, she'd be trapped in the position of fulfilling her revenge.
I dunno, it was just the way I thought Grayza might have been developed.
Posted Dec 6, 2007 @ 7:28 AM
her dichotomy of motivation between peace and revenge could drive her to make a rash decision in an attempt to fulfill her objectives. Once she made that decision, she might realize that it was a mistake, but it would be too late to change it; and as such, she'd be trapped in the position of fulfilling her revenge.
I see what you mean. And I agree, that could have been very interesting. Scorpius voluntarily chose his path. To see Grayza essentially forced into following that path would have been a different take on the whole villain role.
*thinks on the possibilities*
Man, I miss the Season-5-that-never-was! We were robbed of so much.
Posted Dec 6, 2007 @ 10:16 AM
Scorpius' goals ended up being sympathetic, once we saw that he was defending people-who-look-like-us against eviler lizards. I never found Grayza's goals to by sympathetic, nor do I think we were supposed to, because she was so clearly the Neville Chamberlain of the PKs, happy to surrender Czechoslovakia (the Luxans) to [seemingly] save her own ass.
Posted Dec 6, 2007 @ 2:55 PM
And again in PK Wars.
Grayza didn't lose in PK Wars though. She - and Scorpy - won. Not as she would have liked to have won, (and not as Scorpy would have liked to have won), but they both won.
The preservation of the Sebacean race by any means necessary - which was her goal all along.
It was a slightly different goal from Scorpy's, which was to preserve the Sebacean race (his mothers people) by destroying the Scarrans.
Edited by Firecracker1, Dec 6, 2007 @ 2:55 PM.
Posted Dec 6, 2007 @ 3:46 PM
Posted Dec 6, 2007 @ 9:07 PM
Scorpius' goals ended up being sympathetic, once we saw that he was defending people-who-look-like-us against eviler lizards. I never found Grayza's goals to by sympathetic, nor do I think we were supposed to...
I'm not so sure there. As Firecracker1 points out, Grayza's goal was simple: save her people. She didn't care how it happened, she didn't care what she did to make it happen, she just wanted the Peacekeepers to be safe. She resorted to terrible, underhanded means to try and make this happen, but her goal was still noble: a classic case of a "the ends justify the means" character.
Scorpius' goal was actually less noble than Grayza's, IMO: he wanted to kill the Scarrans. True, he claimed it was because he also wanted to save the Peacekeepers, but revenge was definitely all that Scorpy really wanted. Grayza is actually nobler, in that light, than Scorpius was. However, Scorpius also had a higher code of morality than Grayza (again IMO,) which is why he is a more likable character.
Pretty bad to say that the guy who would stick neurochips in your head, make you chew off your own finger, and spin you 'round the Aurora Chair without a second thought possesses a "higher code of morality" than ANYBODY, but there you go.
if this had been the series, none of them would have been placated.
Man, I miss the Season-5-that-never-was! We were robbed of so much.
Amen to that! *cries over the loss of Season 5 as well*
Posted Oct 1, 2008 @ 12:20 AM
Posted Oct 2, 2008 @ 11:06 AM
Putting the whole 'evil character' into perspective - in Seasons 1, 2 and 3 all the villains were, by and large, male. And there were homoerotic overtones with most of them - especially Scorpy.
But Season 4 we get three (at least) major villains who are female. The Skreeth (quite female), Grayza (who uses her female attributes as a weapon) and Akhna (who doesn't).
I think the writers/creators were trying to balance the equation - recognizing that villains come in all shapes and sizes and inclination - including female. To exclude that facet is just as sexist as only casting women as victims.
I am not convinced that Grayza's boob sweat thing was a successful idea - but I do think that the intent that drove its inclusion into the series was admirable.
Edited by Firecracker1, Oct 3, 2008 @ 10:23 PM.
Posted Oct 3, 2008 @ 3:27 PM
The Skreeth (quite female)
I've never thought of the skreeth as female. I've never genderized it in my mind but when I read that, I really reacted -- so I have to think I would have assumed its maleness.
What's the thinking on that?
Posted Oct 3, 2008 @ 10:30 PM
The Skreeth is a prime example of a 'male' stereotype that was cast as a female. (If you look at the picture it is clear that the body is female - although the face is a nightmare.)
Another way of challenging our perceptions.
What's the thinking on that?
Is that what you are talking about?
Edited by Firecracker1, Oct 3, 2008 @ 10:32 PM.
Posted Oct 11, 2012 @ 7:47 AM
This is a woman who is the highest ranked Peacekeeper we have seen yet on the show - not that the PKs have ever been shown to be a gender-dysphoric culture, but from our unfortunately America-centric cultural perspective this is at least notable. She is also clearly positioned here as the worst villain yet, bringing the previous worst-ever-villain character (a male) to his knees in only her second appearance. And how does she go about her villainy? By using her sexuality.
I'm really not sure what to make of this. Farscape has been noted before for its refusal to make sexuality (especially female sexuality) into a bad thing - Zhaan's sensuality, Chiana's promiscuity, Aeryn's sex-with-no-emotions. All just variations on a theme with no value judgement. Hell, even Noranti stops for a five-finger shuffle in the middle of a crisis just cause she feels like it.
But male sexuality hasn't really had such an exploration, I don't think. A little playing with it for laughs and creeps in "Won't Get Fooled Again" maybe, a whose-is-bigger joke in "Green Eyed Monster"... can't really think of much else.
So it's all the more uncomfortable when we get to Grayza, who specifically uses sex as a weapon, or at least as a tool. Sex is just one weapon in her arsenal, as she describes it. Which brings up the strange question - isn't sex just supposed to be an emotionless release of tension for Peacekeepers? Why then would she be able to coerce anyone to do anything by using it, if they can get it any time they want and no-one places any emotional attachment on it?
Maybe it's that the heppel oil actually just places them in her thrall and then she takes the opportunity to have sex with them while she's at it, just cause she likes sex. But judging by both Crichton and Braca's reactions that's not the case - it's definitely an aphrodisiac.
And she went out of her way to acquire the implanted gland precisely for that ability. She didn't have it previously - she chose this method of interrogation and control out of a variety of options available to her. This method appealed to her over others. She went out of her way to acquire the ability to use sex as a weapon, to place this tool in her arsenal where it wasn't before. She chose to use her sexuality in this way.
Is it somehow worse that it is a female villain using sex to get what she wants? She might call it using what she's got (which is what Chiana does), but that's a lie, because by removing the ability to consent via the heppel oil, it becomes rape. Now, how would we feel if a male villain used the same method - seduction and rape to achieve his ends? Men have just as much of a sexual appeal as women - they could call it "using what they've got" just as well.
But if a male were to rape his way through the season, the outrage would be explosive. That's from our POV to be fair - as a patriarchal culture we see females as the 'weaker sex' who need protecting from males. That concept is lessening over time as it should, but I believe it's still there to a certain extent. I don't think the PKs have ever seen things that way. So would a woman raping a man be seen as equally monstrous as a man raping a woman by PK culture? We are clearly intended to see it that way in "What Was Lost" (and rightly so, consent is consent regardless of the genders), but would PKs?
It's basically written off as a joke in "Terra Firma," when Grayza pretends to Braca that she coerced him into sex when she actually didn't, just to cover what she was really doing. He doesn't complain, he just takes it. Regardless of the genders, isn't that sexual harrassment of a junior officer? Should that not be against PK rules? Yes, sexual contact between senior and junior officers is not forbidden - we've seen that in "The Way We Weren't" - but surely rules of consent still apply. Maybe Grayza thinks she's above the law, and she's convinced Braca of the same. If it were a male senior officer raping a female junior officer, would it be the same? Or do we sexistly assume that because Braca is a male he really wanted it anyway?
(We could also add a extra layer of complication by noting that David Franklin is a gay actor. If we roll that over onto Braca [he is the Smithers to Scorpy's Mr Burns, after all], then he's even being forced into sex with the gender he wouldn't normally have sex with. But obviously that's mixing the real and fantasy worlds to an untenable degree.)
From our POV, there's something different about it being a woman doing the raping. In our culture there is still debate over whether a woman is even capable of raping a man, legally speaking. We don't have heppel oil, but we have GHB and viagra and so on. There's an instant response to the idea of a man raping a woman - of course it's wrong, how could you even ask? But when it's a woman raping a man... well it's still wrong, but there's that extra split second of confusion, of figuring out the dynamics (again I'm talking about our culture, not the PKs), before we come to that conclusion. And it's because of that uncertainty that Grayza can even exist as a character - no male recurring character would ever be created to do the things she does, not even as a villain unless he were the target of some great police hunt on CSI: Uncharted Territories or something.
In fact, the only male character I can immediately think of who uses his sexuality in this way - to gain alliances and information and a certain level of coercion - is James Bond. He's a stud for England of course, doing it all for Queen and Country. He's a "hero." And Grayza probably thinks she is too.
So much complicated stuff to think about, without even getting into the other aspects of Grayza's character that define her just as much as the sex.
As I said, I have absolutely no background to discuss these issues from, so if I've inadvertently offended anyone, please accept my apologies, it was not intentional. But it's a fascinating subject, no?