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Posted Mar 19, 2012 @ 1:08 PM

They were better with showing the other countries's athletes, but they still didn't show all of the American routines. That makes me nuts. If we get to the Olympics and they only show some of the American routines I am going to be so pissed. There are only 16 of them. Show them all.
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Posted Mar 19, 2012 @ 5:44 PM

There is no way they don't show all of the American routines at the olympics. Unless they are out of medal contention.
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Posted Mar 20, 2012 @ 7:54 AM

I will give NBC credit for not showing Georgia Simpson's FX that led to her injury. There are some things we don't need to see.

But please Al, shut up already about FX music going on in the background while someone else is on beam.
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Posted Mar 20, 2012 @ 7:23 PM

but I thought NBC's coverage of the Pacific Rim Championships this past weekend was a lot better than normal.


They didn't air it in the NYC area. Dammit.
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Posted Mar 22, 2012 @ 12:58 PM

I just found this list of funny things gymnastics commentators said in 2011. There's some pretty good ones in there.

Edited by Cherzdotes, May 16, 2012 @ 4:02 PM.

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Posted May 16, 2012 @ 10:29 AM

ESPN is reporting that USA gymnastics got rid of the women's selection camp, much to the happiness of pretty much everyone except for probably Marta.
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Posted May 18, 2012 @ 2:58 PM

Here is the article:

http://espn.go.com/b...eyre-ok-with-it

Basically a bunch of high-profile Olympic contenders and past team members are coming out and saying that the selection camp process sucked and cost them the gold because it led to so much physical and mental stress. Including golden girls Rebecca Bross and Shawn Johnson.

It sounds like they're going back to the selection process that they had the year they didn't pick Vanessa Atler to go, where they convened and discussed the results and made any changes to the lineup that they needed to make. Atler was in the top 7, and they switched her out for somebody else in the post-Trials meeting that took place for about 30/40 minutes. There was a lot of criticism of that process as well.

The Magnificent 7 were quite simply the girls that ranked in the top 7 at Trials, including Shannon & Dominique who petitioned their way onto the team with their scores from a recent competition. They sat out because of injuries, if I remember correctly. I remember those trials because they were just so exciting and I remember the commentators talking about the depth that the team was going to have.

Maybe the US has lost the gold not because of the selection process, but because the talent didn't run deep enough to hold up against the Russians and Chinese. I can kind of appreciate the reasoning that behind teh change in the process to make sure that a girl doesn't get left behind just because they had a bad day at trials, but it does seem to render trials a little irrelevant considering that they have the ability to go in and change the results to the team that they ultimately want to bring to represent the USA. Not to mention, the girl having a bad day might get picked over somebody a little younger who just happens to really be peaking right in time. I prefer the place at trials, go to the Olympic process much better.

That said, USAG has been known, in the past, to pull members from the Olympic team in favor of somebody else. They did it with...Kim somebody, I think. She placed in trials, thought she was going, then got a call that she wasn't.
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Posted May 18, 2012 @ 3:39 PM

Maybe the US has lost the gold not because of the selection process, but because the talent didn't run deep enough to hold up against the Russians and Chinese.


I don't think athletes and coaches can afford to put things in this kind of perspective. The talent differential at that level between the Russians, Chinese and Americans is so razor thin that if you do lose you should be trying to figure out ways to improve your team.

The limiting of the rosters to 5 athletes and making all three scores count is ridiculous in my opinion. Its way too much pressure on each and every routine. I think the greatest athletes do their best under pressure but this amount of pressure would make anyone crack.

Edited by MV007, May 18, 2012 @ 3:39 PM.

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Posted May 18, 2012 @ 8:35 PM

I can kind of appreciate the reasoning that behind teh change in the process to make sure that a girl doesn't get left behind just because they had a bad day at trials, but it does seem to render trials a little irrelevant considering that they have the ability to go in and change the results to the team that they ultimately want to bring to represent the USA. Not to mention, the girl having a bad day might get picked over somebody a little younger who just happens to really be peaking right in time. I prefer the place at trials, go to the Olympic process much better.


That doesn't really work now because then you end up with the top five of people who do the all around rather than the actual best-of-the-best. Seems like back then everyone did all the events, but now that isn't the case. With only five spots (because to make room for more sports and allow for countries with undeveloped programs to attend they had to reduce the team size to keep the total number of athletes the same) you have to have a mix of strengths rather than have everyone who can do an Amanar automatically make the team since only 3 of them would get to compete it at the Olympics anyway. The way I see it, unless someone really shines or tanks or gets injured the team will be something like Weiber/Raisman/Douglas as the all-arounders, Maroney for her amazing vault and for her solidness on floor and beam and then a bars "specialist". I figure it will be Liukin or maybe Li or Bross...or Johnson... a first year senior we haven't heard of...well, it seems to be really up in the air. Memmel could have a bionic shoulder by now and make the team. They keep hyping Sacramone but she is one I definitely don't see making it--her mini-me has more consistency and harder tricks (even if she has less style overall).

I agree that having the camps eliminated is probably a good idea because it isn't like the girls are going to make the team and then go home and stuff their faces with doritos. Now, they should have some checkup/training prior to the Olympics to make sure no one is hiding an injury (ala Rachael Flatt), and to help solidify the team, but the constant "Prove to us you want it" stuff is unnecessary. They want it, yo, or they wouldn't be elites.

Check out NBCOlympics.com - they are starting to have some good articles and videos. Plus it is good to make sure your browser is compatible with their videos now rather than when the Olympics are going on! And auntjoycesicecreamstand.blogspot.com has been posting vids from the training camp which have been quite interesting. Ignore the snarky comments if you aren't interested and focus on the videos. ;)

Funny how the team number reductions hurt the US ladies but have helped the US men. The other teams can't stack their teams with pommel specialists to really beat us into the ground. With more events for men, you have to have more all-around gymnasts than specialists. On the ladies side, you can still afford to have 2-event specialists--well one or two of them anyway.

Oh, and a pre-emptive: SHUT UP AL! (I have missed saying that but I know I'll get to say it a lot come July!)
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Posted May 19, 2012 @ 1:31 PM

The way I see it, unless someone really shines or tanks or gets injured the team will be something like Weiber/Raisman/Douglas as the all-arounders, Maroney for her amazing vault and for her solidness on floor and beam and then a bars "specialist". I figure it will be Liukin or maybe Li or Bross...or Johnson... a first year senior we haven't heard of...well, it seems to be really up in the air. Memmel could have a bionic shoulder by now and make the team. They keep hyping Sacramone but she is one I definitely don't see making it--her mini-me has more consistency and harder tricks (even if she has less style overall).


Chelsie Memmel needs to move on with the rest of her life. She has no chance of making the team unless like 4 people get hurt. I think Liukin needs to be on the team. I'd say its down to her or Bross but how can you take Bross who is coming off such a devastating injury? Not to mention that despite her reputation of being a rock I think she's choked more often then most of her competitors. Liukin gives them the bars score they need and the all around backup in case of injury. Admittedly I don't know enough bout Li.
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Posted May 25, 2012 @ 10:49 AM

Lovely. There's a gymnastics competition this weekend, but my cable company doesn't carry the channel that carries it. Damn you nbc, for putting it on universal instead of, say, a channel that's accessible to everyone.
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Posted May 27, 2012 @ 9:45 PM

Raisman won the Secret Classic on Universal. Chellsie Memmel will now have to move on as her petition to Nationals has been denied. There will be no 2012 Olympics for her. All she needed to do was show a routine at Classics and score above 14.00 like Nasita did. I wish her luck.
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Posted Jun 3, 2012 @ 5:01 PM

Shawn Johnson is out too.

http://msn.foxsports...-retires-060312
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Posted Jun 3, 2012 @ 7:18 PM

Chellsie Memmel will now have to move on as her petition to Nationals has been denied. There will be no 2012 Olympics for her. All she needed to do was show a routine at Classics and score above 14.00 like Nasita did.


While it's obvious how much Chellsie has done for US Gymnastics, I can't blame them for denying her petition. That girl has had so many injuries and was a mess on the one event she did at Classics. I can't imagine she had any shot of making the Olympic team.

Not suprised about Shawn. She's been too busy with her book and trying to get back on DWTS to train. I don't think she had any chance of making the team either. From what I read, she'll be at Nationals, Trials and Olympics. Is she even close to any of the current girls?

Any thoughts on Bross making the team? I'm not a fan of hers (or her legs) so I wouldn't be sad if she was left home. I really hope Maroney and Douglas make it.
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Posted Jun 3, 2012 @ 9:22 PM

I'm pretty sure that Douglas is a lock- she's good on bars and can probably give solid scores on at least 3 apparatuses (appareti?). I also think Raismen is going. I *want* Alicia Sacramone to qualify, but I doubt she will make it. I think Nastia Luikin *will* qualify, which I don't want to happen. Bross has a shot, but I think she won't make it.

Chelsie doesn't have a prayer of making the team, but she still should have been allowed to compete at nationals.

What do others think about who will make the team? I'm certainly not an expert, and I know others here know a lot more than I do.

Sorry that Shawn retired due to her knee, but I don't think she was ready for the olympics- I don't think she was at the elite level she was at in 2008. She's had a fantastic career, and is leaving on her own terms (mostly). The whole Chelsie Memmal fiasco has made me realize that I'm truly not a fan of the Karoylis. I feel like they treat the women's team as their own personal fiefdom.

But YAY! NBC is carrying the nationals. FInally, I'll be able to watch a competition.
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Posted Jun 4, 2012 @ 9:41 AM

Do you think the Chellsie situation is really the Karoylis' fault? I'm not being snide, I'm just not sure that it was actually Marta's call. But perhaps I'm wrong. However, it sounded to me that the rule was she needed to compete on one event at the meet and score above a 14, which Chellsie failed to do. Am I incorrect on this assessment?

The way I see it, Chellsie didn't have much of a chance of making the team, anyway, especially with the reduced team size this time around. So in my opinion, if she was taking up a slot at Nationals that a younger gymnast might have filled and used to gain "big meet" experience, then I think it was the right decision.

As for the team compisition: my understanding of the rules is that the team size will be five. Three compete on each event and all three count. I'm also assuming you have to compete all four events in the team competition to go for the all around title, is that right? Because if that's right, I can't see a way to have more than one all-arounder. I'm assuming Wieber would get the bid if we only have one, but if Marta wants to go for two, how do you pick between Raisman (solid, consistent, just OK on bars) and Douglas (less consistent, capacity to be brilliant, amazeballs on bars, the "flying squirrel")?

This is going to be a tough call. But I think it will break down similar to this:

Vault: Maroney, Wieber, Douglas? What about Raisman, maybe substitute her for Douglas?
Bars: Wieber, Liukin, Douglas
Beam: Wieber, Raisman, Liukin (maybe use Douglas here in place of Nastia?)
Floor: Wieber, Douglas, Raisman (But what about Maroney?)

Ack! These new rules are really tough.

Are there two nights for the team competition? If so, do you have have to compete in all four events both nights in order to qualify for the all-around? I can't actually find the rules anywhere.

ETA: Misty Rose, thanks.

Edited by Cherzdotes, Jun 4, 2012 @ 3:02 PM.

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Posted Jun 4, 2012 @ 12:13 PM

You only have to compete in all four events in the qualifying round, and I'm pretty sure in qualifying, it's 4 up and 3 count. In the team final, it's 3 up and 3 count.
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Posted Jun 8, 2012 @ 6:28 PM

Visa Championships - Women's Day 1, starting now on UniversalSports.com. The whole thing will also be archived there, as soon as it's over.
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Posted Jun 8, 2012 @ 8:16 PM

I think Douglas, Weiber, and Raisman are basically locks. Maroney is next in line as long as she shows she can compete on floor credibly along with vault. The final spot will go to someone who can do bars and that, at this point, could be Bross, Ross, Finnegan, Liukin, Li, or Sloan. I'm waiting to see what difficulty Sloan puts together because she has apparently come out of nowhere to look super solid on all events. My gut says Martha will go with Liukin if she hits all her upcoming routines cuz she knows the Russian beyotch isn't going to go out there unless she is willing and able to kill it. Diva is in her genetic material. ;)

Finals:
VT: Weiber, Raisman (who's going to blow out a knee if she isn't careful), Maroney
BB: Weiber, Raisman, Liukin/Sloan. Not Douglas, she is still too head-casey to be trusted in finals
UB: Weiber, Douglas, Liukin/Sloan
FX: Raisman, Weiber, Maroney/Sloan/Douglas

Ross is apparently a dark horse contender because she has been on fire with all events and would be very useful if someone was injured, so I could see her making the team or being 1st alternate.

Now for the men...
Leyva, Orzco, Horton...I have no idea who else. Someone who won't fall off a pommel horse, hopefully. Though the reduction in team size actually helps USA because we only have to be passable on pommel to stay within shouting distance of a medal because the other teams can't stack their lineup with specialists (::cough::China::cough) and we are world class and have good depth on the other events.
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Posted Jun 8, 2012 @ 8:25 PM

Leyva is so amazing on the high bar, the way he defies gravity the whole time. I can't wait to see him tomorrow. No surprises today, really. Everyone is performing pretty much how I thought they would. I feel bad for Nastia, though. I hope she can get the bars back to her standards.
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Posted Jun 9, 2012 @ 1:56 PM

WOW. Congratulations, John Orozco! I DEFINITELY didn't see that coming!

I feel bad for Leyva, although his father drives me to distraction.

Jonathan Horton, Danell Leyva and now John Orozco. Great depth there. I also liked what I saw from Sam Mikulak, but I'd say the last two spots are open.
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Posted Jun 9, 2012 @ 2:33 PM

Yeah! Awesome for him, but I was surprised, too. I thought at one point that he was 2 points behind Leyva. That has to be hard to make up, especially since Leyva didn't have any major problems. Either way, I'll be thrilled to see them both in London.
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Posted Jun 9, 2012 @ 6:07 PM

I'm glad for John Orozco- I, too, was surprised that he won. But Leyva is going to the Olympics (barring injury), and he should be super proud of himself. His Dad's antics, I feel, are getting a little irritating. I'm all for celebration, but I feel like his Dad is overshadowing Leyva- and Leyva is doing all of the physical work.

Why, oh why, NBC, won't you actually report the individual scores? All I heard was the mistakes and their color commentary. I'd like to see the scores as they become available. I know the scoring system is confusing, and I hardly understand them, but I'd still like to know.

Also, I dislike how they have written off Alicia Sacramone, who had a very good first day, especially in comparison to poor Nastia. I honestly think she doesn't have the strength and endurance and there's not enough time left to get her there- I think she started training too late. Her bars dismount had me pretty shocked. Alicia tied for second on beam, which is pretty good for a veteran.

Bross' bars routine was pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised.

Obviously Raisman, Douglas and Weiber are locks for the team. I'd be comfortable with Sacramone and Bross or Maroney. If Sac and Bross don't make the team, I hope they are alternates. I'm sentimental, and I like that Sacramone and Bross really seem to *want* this. I also think they are pretty consistent.

Thank you, LAdreamr for letting us know universal sports had posted routines online. It's nice to be able to watch them.
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Posted Jun 9, 2012 @ 7:27 PM

Bross' bars routine was pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised.


I just can not get past her legs. Is she pigeon-toed, is that it? It's like she's turned in at the hips, so her knees are really close together, her calves absolutely point away from each other, and then her big toes touch. With my own legs, I can only semi-replicate it by turning my legs in at the hips. I'm sorry, but it's ugly. She's a great gymnast but I don't even notice because I hate her legs so much. (I'm a terrible person)

I also hate how she performs her giant swings (as long as I'm being catty).

I think Maroney is a lock because of her incredible vault. Seriously, she has so much height that I bet she could do a triple twisting Yurchenko instead.

As for Sacramone, the issue is that she doesn't do bars. There is so much depth already on the events she's good on that I doubt she'll get a shot. But we'll see.

My own opinion is it might be Kyla Ross. Or maybe she'll be alternate, since she's an all- arounder who could do a decent job on any event. Should be interesting!
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Posted Jun 10, 2012 @ 8:26 AM

My own opinion is it might be Kyla Ross. Or maybe she'll be alternate, since she's an all- arounder who could do a decent job on any event. Should be interesting!


I'm thinking that if Nastia elevates her game or shows marked improvement in each outing, they'll take her as a specialist (c'mon, Martha loves Nastia) but if she doesn't get in perfect condition by the Olympics, I could see a report of her "reinjuring" her shoulder come out and Ross or Finnegan being subbed in.

This afternoon will be interesting!
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Posted Jun 10, 2012 @ 2:10 PM

Orozco won! He was .9 pts behind going into the last rotation when I fell asleep during the rerun on Universal. He must've rocked that floor routine.

With the ladies, I think Weiber, Douglas, Raisman, and Maroney are all locks. That leaves one person for bars, but that also means Jordan would probably have to do bars in finals because no way will Alli is going up and bars is definitely not McKayla's strength either. It's amazing how pitiful we have become on bars, we used to be so deep.
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Posted Jun 10, 2012 @ 4:27 PM

With all the different fabrics and technology, why can't they give the female gymnasts a leotard that their butt cheeks aren't hanging out of by the end of the routine? Please?
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Posted Jun 10, 2012 @ 5:36 PM

Early report on Mahroney's injury during warm-up is a concussion and broken nose.

As for the butt cheek issue, seems like there should be some sort of double-sided tape or skin-friendly spray-on adhesive that should help.
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Posted Jun 10, 2012 @ 5:57 PM

Did anyone else notice that the floor music today was off? It sounded like there were two different feeds, one a second or two behind the other. Not sure if it was just my station or a general NBC issue, but come on!

I was also annoyed when Tim and Elfi did their little puzzle with the velcro names to construct a "team," and then threw up a name on vault, Price, who they hadn't shown any routines from! If you really think this girl has a shot at making the Olympic team, why didn't we get to see ONE routine from her? And then it didn't even make any sense - if they're going to take someone just to do vault, then they should take Sacramone. Meanwhile they showed two routines from Finnegan, who IMO has no shot of making the team (just too young and inexperienced), just because she was the hometown favorite?

At this point I think Wieber, Douglas, Raisman, and Maroney are locks for the team. If (and at this point I think it's a BIG if) Nastia can get her bars back, then she might get selected, but I think her time is running out. I have a feeling that Kyla Ross' good performances this weekend will get her the 5th spot, if she performs as well at the Trials. If that's the case, I think these would be the final lineups:

VT: Maroney, Wieber, Douglas
UB: Wieber, Douglas, Ross
BB: Wieber, Raisman, Ross
FX: Wieber, Douglas, Raisman
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Posted Jun 10, 2012 @ 9:02 PM

I've been following the run up to the Olympics but didn't realize the Trials are here in California! Does anyone know what takes place on the women's Day 1 schedule vs the final (second) day schedule? I may only be able to go on the second day but don't want to miss Nastia or some of the specialist's performances.

Stating the obvious but didn't Nastia start her training too late? Not sure if 3 weeks is enough time pull it all together. Too bad because she looks okay, just not in elite shape.
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