Torchwood: On What The Arse Represents (UK)
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 6:51 AM
The new show, Torchwood, will star John Barrowman as Captain Jack Harkness as he works in 21st century Cardiff alongside the Torchwood team set up by the British government (and presumably "Harriet Jones, PM, United Kingdom") to keep alien technology out of the public domain while using it themselves to solve out of the ordinary crimes. It's going to go out after 9pm so will be more adult in tone than Doctor Who, and presumably, the BBC won't be censoring Jack's arse anymore. I'm predicting "Spooks with aliens" myself.
One interesting element that have been revealed are the idea that Torchwood will operate under the UN's radar and will be trying to keep the alien tech for the UK itself, so it's possible there'll actually be a Torchwood vs UNIT arc at some point.
More speculative are the ideas some people have had that it'll be set in the two year hole in Jack's memory and that the Cardiff setting indicates that the Rift from the Doctor Who episodes The Unquiet Dead and Boom Town will act as a kind of Hellmouth -- pulling in the weird and the strange from thousands of miles around.
Filming begins early 2006 for a Fall 2006 transmission date. The first foreshadowing of the new spinoff will be in the Doctor Who Christmas Special, where the existence of the Torchwood team will be namedropped, though they won't appear.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 7:23 AM
The RiftHellmouth idea is very interesting, depending on how they do it - ie not too obviously a Buffy ripoff.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 7:59 AM
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 8:14 AM
And if Russell Davies is involved, then I am supremely optimistic that all will be well.
I wonder how this will effect Eleventh Hour?
Can I ask, what's Eleventh Hour?
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 8:42 AM
Actually, last month's SFX has a hilarious interview with Stewart -- who claimed that it was "ridiculous" and "lazy" to call Eleventh Hour SF and then gave examples of the storylines to illustrate how *not* SF it is:
>One story will have the team tracking down an operation that's illegally cloning dead children for their parents -ala Godsend.
>Another features a bioterrorist unleashing a genetically modified version of smallpox that makes people's faces peel off in the middle of Manchester.
>A third has a scientist discovering that global warming data has been manipulated to make the problem look better than it is, and that the world is actually about to end any day now. He then goes on the run from the assassins of the sinister secret government that want to shut him up.
>The last one is about the investigation of a mysterious spring whose water is miraculously curing people of cancer
So not at all SF at all then, Patrick! :rolleyes:
I think Torchwood will have the advantage in that it will be free of that po-faced denial of it's SF roots, and consequently much more fun.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 8:51 AM
I saw that interview as well. Shut-up Patrick!
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 9:02 AM
Usually when I hear they're transplanting a supporting character from a show and giving him centre stage in another, I have my doubts. But not this time, I am actually thrilled to hear there's going to be more Captain Jack on TV. John Barrowman was too good not to be given more screen time.
ITA John Barrowman has charisma to spare, and will make a great leading man. And I love the thread title!
I like the idea of this kind of being like the Angel to Doctor Who's Buffy.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 9:34 AM
1st thought: puppet arse.
I like the idea of this kind of being like the Angel to Doctor Who's Buffy.
2nd thought: I hope it's good.
3rd: The Hellmouth eventually wiped out the city above it.
I look forward to not watching this on an American network next summer.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 9:39 AM
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 9:41 AM
Stewart -- who claimed that it was "ridiculous" and "lazy" to call Eleventh Hour SF
Hmm, so it's fiction ... and all the stories involve science ... yeah, clearly not science fiction though.
It's true the plots sound similar but 11th Hour sounds more po-faced and ITVtastic, while Jack's Arse will have that Russell T Davies sensibility and probably be a lot more camp. I wonder if he will write all the episodes or, like Who, get in guest writers? If so, who would be a good choice?
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 10:24 AM
I've heard unconfirmed reports too that both shows will be exec produced by RTD but the producers will be different -- meaning that RTD can flit around from one to the other while the two production teams devote themselves full time to their respective shows.
In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Torchwood is the real reason Joe Ahearne and half the Doctor Who script editing team aren't working on S2 of Who.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 10:40 AM
It's not nice to not share what I'm sure will be some kick-ass scif.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 11:08 AM
Edited by cutecouple, Oct 17, 2005 @ 11:14 AM.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 5:26 PM
A quote from Lalla Ward, when she was performing in Hamlet:
Patrick [Stewart] said to me, 'You used to be in Doctor Who didn't you?' and I said 'Yes, I still am actually,' and he said 'I mean why do you do all this television, why don't you do proper stuff like theatre,' and I said 'Well I love it actually, I love doing Doctor Who.' 'But science fiction, I mean why would you want to do science fiction?' I said, 'I don't know - I think partly because you learn so much technical stuff, it's really interesting,' and he said 'Oh I wouldn't want to do that sort of stuff.'
I haven't run into Patrick Stewart since, but I look forward to it so I can say, 'Funny, why do you do all that sort of science fiction stuff you do now, why aren't you doing the proper theatre like real actors.'
However, I am looking foward to Torchwood.
Yes, but this is Cardiff. Didn't Margaret say that the whole west coast could fall into the ocean and no one in London would care? Something along those lines.
The Hellmouth eventually wiped out the city above it.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 7:28 PM
Well, yes, I will.
Captain Jack. Nuff said.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 @ 7:55 PM
I can't wait to see more of Captain Jack!
*snicker* Me too!
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 12:16 AM
Now I will never remember to call it by its proper name, this show will forever be 'Jack's Arse.' I just hope they don't tone down the bisexuality now that he's the lead. Jack should be shared equally among the sexes.
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 2:57 AM
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 7:27 AM
Yeah, I'm impressed they found an anagram for "Doctor Who" that could also be the name of a gay disco.
Torchwood? More like FLAMINGwood
Although I love that Jack is getting his own show, I'm a bit sad to think he won't get to be on DW as much (or at all) because of it.
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 7:58 AM
Hee! A gay disco. I can't wait to hear the theme tune. Maybe they'll get the Pet Shop Boys to remix it.
Re sci fi vs "sci fi", I was watching a programme last night about John Wyndham (Day of the Triffids, Midwich Cuckoos etc) and it reminded me that there is a long British tradition of science fiction which is not about going into space at all, which 11th Hour sounds like it fits into completely. Obviously Patrick Stewart doesn't know this and just wants to make it look like he doesn't just do the same thing all the time. Patrick, we know you've done Dickens and Moby Dick and all that, relax.
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 8:18 AM
Harriet Jones (PM, United Kingdom) is in the Christmas Special apparantly, and the word "Torchwood" gets mentioned so I'd bet she'll show up in Torchwood as well. Probably room for DW characters to show up from time to time too. Personally, I think a Silurians story could work well.
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 9:38 AM
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 1:04 PM
Edited by Blairish, Oct 18, 2005 @ 1:04 PM.
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 4:24 PM
Which leads me to speculate that RTD knows exactly what he's doing because my mother can't be the only one who went from being a Doctor Who know-nothing-at-all to someone who is looking forward to the Christmas special and remembers who Captain Jack is even though it's been months since she saw the episodes and dealing with my 96 year old grandmother on a daily basis is enough to make anyone's brain explode sometimes.*
*Disclaimer: we all love Granny but she can seriously damage a persons calm sometimes.
Which is why we like to escape from reality by watching Doctor Who!
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 5:50 PM
This was the first time I've watched Doctor Who, and while CE was good in the role, Captain Jack is the guy I wanted to see more of.
I freely admit to being almost in tears at the end of his second episode when it looked like he was going to get blown up along with his ship, and I'm sooo glad he's getting his own show.
(wasn't quite as worried near the end of the finale because I'd heard spoilers that he was going to be showing up in either the Xmas special or the second season)
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 6:27 PM
Hot Damn! That man is sex on legs!
*And not a bad actor either*
I would watch Jack's Arse, even if the The Arse wasn't in it. A) It's a Dr Who spinoff, B) it's SF, and C)RTD is behind it.
*That last bit looked better in my head.
Posted Oct 18, 2005 @ 9:32 PM
Although, I must say, I'm going to miss CE horribly, because I think he and Barrowman had great chemistry. But, I live in hope of more of the pretty.
Posted Oct 19, 2005 @ 6:49 AM
Posted Oct 19, 2005 @ 12:34 PM
Also I'm very pleased that the possible meme for next season (which all the papers leaked as Torchwood) may not yet have been discovered - unless it is still this, in which case...sad, spoilered me