Anyway, there has been a lot of discussion regarding the Nazi connection with Hanso and the Initiative, as well as the research methods possibly used in the project. As a grad student and researcher, I do a lot of work that is probably similar to what the DGs (De Groots) did at the University of Michigan. I got a real kick out of seeing their lives on campus on that film. Not a lot has changed in grad school, let me tell you. especially the pay. or the haircuts.
However, as a someone working primarily in the social sciences, I can tell you that by 1980, the US had implemented strict guidelines, known as Human Research Protection and human subject consent laws (1974), to prevent abuse in research, even with the best of intentions. This was inspired primarily by the horror of the Nazi experiments during WWII. The absolute immorality of these experiments conducted on human beings showed scientists that an "honor system" among themselves would no longer work. The universities in the US implemented committees known as Internal Review Boards (IRB), which monitor and approve all human subject research done at the university. This system is very much in place today, and is famous for being the bane of researchers' existence, as it limits their ability to control and manipulate subjects in almost any way.
In addition, there were several unfortunate "incidents" (hee), here in the US, such as the infamous Milgram experiments, in which ppl were made to believe that they were torturing others, as well as the horrifying and surreal Stanford Prison Experiment which drove ppl to violence and mental instability almost overnight. Therefore, the concept of "necessary deception" was introduced. As a researcher, you were obligated to be upfront about every possibility of deception in order to be approved by IRB and the gov. Deception of subjects or tormenting them emotionally was no longer acceptable by standard law.
My point is that the experiment and orientation film are clearly deceptive and misinforming. There is no way that film ever got approved by UIM's IRB, nor the research design and living conditions of the subjects. Therefore, I think that after 1970, the Dharma project very quickly went privatized and was no longer attached to mainstream academia by 1974, when these laws were passed. Hanso's up to no good, y'all!
Another word about experiments: you always assume that a subject must be able to equally choose either A or B. You don't set up an experiment where if a subject happens to feel kooky that day and choose B, everyone dies. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Anyway, just wanted to get that out there. Hope this thread stays around!
BTW, if you haven't yet, check out The Hanso Foundation (Disney/ABC)
And The Dharma Initiative
The Lost Online thread found something really weird at https://www.thehansofoundation.org (Secure)
Also, the orientation film is hidden at: http://www.thehansof...org/dharma.html
And apparently more video is coming! (tingle of excitement) see:
Edited by psydrama, Oct 8, 2005 @ 5:42 AM.