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[sobell]

This thread will be for dishing on future spoilers and discussing their implications. If you're all het up over anything you've read (or seen courtesy of BitTorrent), please talk about it here.

[HungryHippo2004]

I loved the pilot. All of it. Well, almost all of it. The last scene where his back becomes animated to show the prison design is a step too far IMO.

Lincoln's son sucks. Typical teenage TV character.

I'm still wondering why Michael is so intent on gaining access to the medical room - is it to use the Doc, or something else? I think they're shaping the Governor's daughter/prison doctor to be Michael's love interest. So she'll eventually discover his plan and try to stop him, but Michael doesn't seem the type to stop....

Apparently if the show gets beyond Season 1, it'll become a fugitive style show. Bearing that in mind, does anyone think the name of the show is a bad choice? 'Prison Break' won't work as a title once they're out and about. Unless they subtitle subsequent seasons? For example, Prison Break: On the Run

[boy asunder]

Based on how Michael kept looking out the window in the medical place at the telephone/power wire, I think he needs to use the room, and not so much the Doc. Esp. since he came in with knowledge of the blueprints, but seemed (to me at least) to genuinely not know who she was and all.

And I agree that the blueprint/tattoo scene was a bit weird. Plus, for the life of me I could not see how the blueprints were supposed to be represented in the tatto. It was all curvy, and didn't seem to match up to the superimposed bluprints at all.

[dealan]

IIRC, he dropped a paper crane down the vent in the doctor's office and it wound up in the prison yard, stopped by the book he dropped down the grate. I guess he was testing to see if the pipes really did work- or more to the point, that if you start in the yard and follow the pipes, you could make it to the doctors room, then sneak out the window? I dunno. Too early to tell I guess.

Heh. But damn if I didn't love all the shirtless guys in this show. Yum.

[HungryHippo2004]

Based on how Michael kept looking out the window in the medical place at the telephone/power wire, I think he needs to use the room, and not so much the Doc. Esp. since he came in with knowledge of the blueprints, but seemed (to me at least) to genuinely not know who she was and all.

He definitely knows who she is - in the scene where he tears all the newspaper cuttings off his walls, the doctor is in lots of them. I'm thinking he needs her as well as the room.

[alexj]

A bunch of pretty boys, taking their shirts in angst - great!
Another show with Sarah Wayne Callies as a potentially romantic lead - noooooo! The casting director obviously didn't see Tarzan or her beyond irritating appearance in Numbers last season. She just can not for the love of every viewer, portray emotion; stop casting her in well written shows!
Robin Tunney's character seemed unnecessary in the pilot, IMO - I hope the writers have a plan for her. The guy from Blind Justice is supposed to be in this show, but he wasn't in the pilot version that I saw - who did he replace?

[HungryHippo2004]

Are you talking about the main character from "Blind Justice", Ron Eldard? Checked the web but can't find anything about it. Could be Michael's new cellmate from 1.03 (Charles 'Haywire' Patoshik) or Nick Savrinn, a guy who helps Veronica with the case.

Found this promotional picture. The only person I don't recognise from the pilot is the guy on the far left. A Prison Break fansite has the character as 'T-Bag', and is played by Robert Knepper. Think he's a new addition.

Paul Adelstein, who plays the Secret Service Agent, Kellerman, wasn't in the original promotional photos, but he's in them now. Which should mean the Government conspiracy will play a larger role. I hope it does, because it's interesting to think who really killed the VP's brother. Of course, maybe it was Lincoln all along.

Another thing - it says on the official Fox site that Lincoln is a month away from execution. Wasn't it 3 months in the pilot? I guess they could have changed some stuff around.

Edited by HungryHippo2004, Aug 23, 2005 @ 4:09 AM.

[luna81]

I think T-Bag is going to create a lot of trouble for Michael. From the sides that I've read, he offered Michael to be in his crew to fight against the African American Inmates but Michael declined and he didn't like that, so he beat up Michael.

[dealan]

Robin Tunney's character doesn't seem too necessary now, but I think she'll end up playing more of a role in the next episodes. It feels a lot like set up for her character, given the amount of backstory we're given: brother's ex, lawyer and very good friend of Michael, and a fiancee to boot. She hasn't done much yet, but she'll probably end up being the one working to get them out the legal way outside of prison, maybe postponing the execution date as she uncovers more information. Vaughn on Alias is a great example of how a character can be vital to a show without being in the pilot that much.

What strikes me as interesting is that the premise of the show is to break him out, but it also sets itself for reinvention because of the shadiness surrounding Lincoln's imprisonment. Season one the brothers break out, but then they need to figure out a way to take down the ones who put them there in the first place, which could force them to break other people out of prison, or something. It's got a definite limit on how much you can play around with it, but depending on the story behind the imprisonment, it could last longer.

On a side note, is there any instance of a show changing its name mid-run? Just curious.

[HungryHippo2004]

None that I can think of. Like I said upthread, the best thing to do IMO is a give subsequent sequels a subtitle. Shows its still the same show you watched in Season 1, but also shows that its changed.

[Eegah]

All in the Family changed to Archie Bunker's Place, though some consider them to be different shows.

It seems like the conspiracy plot will have to be the main focus of a lot of episodes, since there's not much in the actual escape that can stretch across a whole season, kind of like the survival stuff in Lost.

[americana19]

I saw part one of the pilot, and Jessalyn Gilsig (who was incredible on Nip/Tuck) was in it. Now that she's a regular on N/T, has she been recast or is she just a guest star for the pilot?

[Eegah]

So, is Fibonacci's name a clue that the characters' names all mean something important, like on Lost? For those who aren't math buffs, the Fibonacci sequence starts with two ones, then each subsequent number is the sum of the previous two, ie 1,1,2,3,5,8,13... Apparently it shows up a bunch of places in nature.

You got me what it's got to do with the guy, but it seems like too much of a coincidence not to mean something.

Edited by Eegah, Aug 29, 2005 @ 9:49 PM.

[Dang Surly]

Just my speculation, but I think the Government conspiracy is an assassination ATTEMPT on the president. They just want it to seem like somebody is trying to kill him, like the VP bro to get him re-elected or something. The woman on the phone who tells the secret agent "to do whatever is necessary" while preparing dinner watching her kids, is the First Lady.

Just my guess.

Edited by Dang Surly, Aug 30, 2005 @ 12:28 AM.

[Smilla]

Just my speculation, but I think the Government conspiracy is an assassination ATTEMPT on the president. They just want it to seem like somebody is trying to kill him, like the VP bro to get him re-elected or something.

So happy someone brought this up. I actually think the whole conspiracy-connected-to-the-V.P.'s brother is one of the more controversial things I've seen on t.v. As for the conspiracy's objective, an attempt on the President is a good guess. Those secret service guys looked pretty uncomfortable with what they were doing. My prediction is that the dark-haired one, who seemed freaked before he called his boss, whomever she is, cracks before the Whatever Coup can be completed.

[NashVegas]

So, do we need spoiler tags since this is a combined spoiler and speculation thread? I will go with need them for this post, until told otherwise.

From SpoilerFix.com

Episode 1.03 - Cell Test (aka "Cell Break") -Michael gets a new cell mate. The man is called Charles "Haywire" Patoshik, a 35-year-old white male, who's not a physical man but still is scary. LJ visits Lincoln.
Episode 1.04 - Cute Poison- Veronica keeps uncovering new material on Lincoln's case and would like to work on the case full-time. When no one wants to help her on the case, a man named Nick Savrinn steps up to the plate and offers his help. Veronica and Nick visit Lincoln. Sucre wants to be Michael's cell mate again. Haywire appears in the episode

My DVR says for 1.03-Abruzzi is urged to put more pressure on Michael, who tests Sucre with a secret (tells him about the prison break in the previews right?); Veronica goes looking for Leticia (who looks to have a big role in the next few episodes from the previews), LJ is sentencd to do penance with his father.

TV.com has Episode 5 title-Riots, Drills + Jesus

ETA: There is absolutely no need to put spoiler tags around anything in the SPOILER thread. The thread title warns people about the content, and anyone who clicks on it either wants to be spoiled, or deserves it for their poor reading skills. -- sobell

Edited by sobell, Aug 30, 2005 @ 10:16 AM.

[aliconehead]

My guess is the woman IS the vice president. She either killed her brother or had him killed and is now covering it up by framing Linc. Chances are the brother had something on the vp that would ruin her and she could not let that happen

[sobell]

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[nubbs]

You got me what it's got to do with the guy, but it seems like too much of a coincidence not to mean something.

I think that they were just setting up some really weak jokes for the likes of me, as in 'So and so has really got Fibonacci's number.'

Some of us need a leg up, jokewise.

[espinaca]

My guess is the woman IS the vice president. She either killed her brother or had him killed and is now covering it up by framing Linc. Chances are the brother had something on the vp that would ruin her and she could not let that happen

My thoughts exactly, aliconehead. I like reading political thrillers, and the higher-ups always seem to have secret homesteads in Montana, and wasn't that where she was? Plus she just seemed vice-presidential... wealthy and chilly.

[12thknight]

You got me what it's got to do with the guy, but it seems like too much of a coincidence not to mean something.

I think they just like saying "Fibonacci!" like they're ordering something from the Olive Garden.

My speculation is with the doctor. I'm waiting for the scene where she learns about Michael's plan and has to either turn him in or let him crawl into the drainage hole. Will she turn him in, or wait until his smoldering stare burns through the metal grate on the window?

That, or killing her some time in the future is part of his diabolical plan. Either way, the love interest is a wash-out.

[stele3]

Given the differences between Lincoln's memory and the tape that Lady Lawyer watched, I'm inclined to wonder whether Lincoln was lying about killing the man, but not about being set up. Maybe he's a Lee Harvey Oswald patsy type (that is, if you believe all the conspiracy theories), in that he did the deed, but was then made to seem like a lone gunman and hung out to dry.

That would throw a huge wrench in things, but not a big enough one that it would invalidate all the storylines. There can still be a conspiracy, the Secret Service can still be out to bury him, but Michael has to deal with the knowledge that he's bascially thrown his life away on a bonafide killer, and a lying one to boot, leading to much pretty, pretty brooding.

[espinaca]

Well, or perhaps we're to believe that - since Linc said he was high that night - he has an inaccurate recollection of what happened? It just seems like quite the bold contrast to establish in the pilot, as it's pretty difficult to confuse "gun fired" with "gun not fired."

We're already suspending a LOT of reality. Let's just pretend that being high is such a severe altered state that it could affect memory to the point of delusion, mmkay?

[Clockstomper24]

The thing is, in order for the Secret Service to "frame" Lincoln with the murder, they had to know he'd be there, and why. So if they knew Lincoln was going to kill the VP's brother, why not just let him do it?

I'm thinking Lincoln was manipulated into the killing, which he actually did do, but in order to get cooperation, he's playing innocent so there's more incentive to investigate the government spooks behind the crime.

[stele3]

So if they knew Lincoln was going to kill the VP's brother, why not just let him do it?

Precisely my thoughts, clockstomper24. 'Twould certainly throw the brothers' relationship into flux, while still allowing for the conspiracy, ne? The best of both worlds!

Presumably we're going to hear more from Leticia, the crazy-seeming widow of Crab Simmons. Simmons may have known who was actually behind things, but kept Linc in the dark.

Rewatching the tape of the murder, I'm having a hard time with something: did Linc take something from the car? I've heard other people say yes, but I'm not sure. When he steps back from the car door to shut it, it seems like there might be something in his left hand, but his body is mostly blocking it. Anyone else see it better?

[yosemite]

My guess is the woman IS the vice president. She either killed her brother or had him killed and is now covering it up by framing Linc. Chances are the brother had something on the vp that would ruin her and she could not let that happen.

Brilliant. I hadn't thought of that angle, but I love it.

[Smilla]

My speculation is with the doctor. I'm waiting for the scene where she learns about Michael's plan and has to either turn him in or let him crawl into the drainage hole. Will she turn him in, or wait until his smoldering stare burns through the metal grate on the window?

See, my speculation about the doctor is inspired by the Nitpick thread, in which a poster menitioned that based on how she's been "treating" Michael, her credentials might be sketchy. I'm suspicious on why she's being so nice to him, and he to her. Does she have crucial info about the conspiracy?

[scarynikki12]

My guess is the woman IS the vice president.

I'm with you. Even though we've only had three episodes, I've noticed that they always refer to Linc's "victim" as "The Vice-President's brother". This guy is never referred to in any other way. There isn't a "he" placed in front of "brother" whenever anyone talks about the crime. Usually, the person speaking of the incident would have used a "his" instead of "Vice-Prez" as the conversation progressed, as it's more natural, but we never hear that. Also, even though we're dealing with Evil Patricia, it would be awesome if she really did turn out to be VP Patricia. This show would just be even more fun than it is.

[La Anah]

Pure speculation, but I'm getting the impression that in the last episode, just as the plan has come together, and all they have to do is leave, Lawyer Girl will solve the conspiracy and the death sentence will be commuted. It will make everything Micheal has gone through (tattoo, jail, missing toes, insulin shock, etc.) meaningless.

It will either be hilariously funny, or extraordinarily cliched.

[HungryHippo2004]

For whoever asked about someone from Blind Justice being on the show - Frank Grillo, who played Detective Marty Russo on Blind Justice, will play Nick Savrinn from Episode 4 onwards.