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Posted Jul 13, 2008 @ 10:23 PM
Great news - as I managed to watch some of season 3 before the DVD's came out and then did my own little marathon when I got them.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:19 AM
The way she treats Fritz and her parents disgusts me. She talks to him like a dog, with the 'Fritzi' and the expecting him to just do what she says full stop. She never considers him or does anything for him, she just demands and takes and uses.
To me, this episode made Brenda Leigh the textbook caricature of a loose female cannon. Nothing but one irrational choice following another, all made with full throttle histrionics. Thanks for setting the case for a powerful, passionate female in charge back about 30 years, writers.
I'll watch tonight, but only for the supporting cast. And to wait for Brenda's comeuppance.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 11:05 AM
But then I thought...well hasn't she always been that way?
In the first season, she manipulated the situation so that the guy who killed the Russian hooker got murdered by his mob family. A few episodes later, she condemned a teenager to life in a Mexican prison. In both cases, she was fulfilling her personal idea of justice. She routinely blackmails her suspects into confessing - remember the judge's ex wife with the autistic son?
I really wish Gabriel had called her on that after the "Ruby" episode, when she got all self-righteous and told him he didn't "get to decide" what should happen to the suspects...she decides all the time!
And she has always treated Fritz like garbage, demanding his help, ignoring the fact that he has his own job, having zero regard for his feelings, opinions, likes or dislikes (and I blame Fritz for sticking with the relationship when it's obvious that she is always going to treat him this way).
Brenda is not, and really hasn't ever been, a very nice person.
I still love the show though - and I suppose it's a credit to the show that I like it even when the lead character is so very unlikable.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 9:15 PM
Tonight's episode is a good example of Brenda Behaving Badly towards Fritz. But I saw none of the ruthlessness, treating everyone like crap behavior that some others see.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 9:16 PM
And what's going on between Daniels and Gabriel?
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 9:23 PM
From the way Daniels emphasized the dead girl's needy behavior, always wanting to know where her boyfriends were and what they were doing (with a sideways glance at Gabriel), I'd guess that he's the clingy one in that relationship.
As an aside, I read that the actress who plays Daniels just turned 42, which I would never have guessed, she looks much younger.
Anyway, I was shocked and pleased that Brenda took responsibility for talking to the landlord about Kitty, although it would have been terribly amusing to have Kitty live in the murder room.
Edited by va32h, Jul 14, 2008 @ 9:24 PM.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 9:36 PM
Usually I don't mind the way Brenda treats Fritz, but in this episode I found myself thinking "Dude, grow a pair and tell her to chill the fuck out". Plus the fact that he thought buying and lighting two candles was incredibly romantic tells me he's been tortured far too long. Hopefully next episode they'll fix this, because I love me some Brenda/Fritzness. Also by then I hope she'll have thrown those candles out...
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 9:44 PM
The annoying reporter who almost bungles an investigation for the resentful detectives bit was a cliche, but I still liked what they did with it. Sanchez tossing 'Ricky' around like a ragdoll was great. And Taylor was twenty kinds of awesome when he got in the guy's face. Damn the writers for making me like Taylor! I love the grudging 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' relationship he has with Brenda now. Especially since I'm still always a little on edge waiting for him to screw her over.
More Fritzi is a saint cakes. Could take it or leave it. The more they show Fritz have to talk Brenda down from some tizzy or patiently put up with her neurosis, the less I care if they make it to the alter.
The contrast between Brenda's interaction with Fritz and every other male character is so jarring! I understand the point is that their wuv is so true that she can show her vulnerable side with him, but all it does is make me watch her scenes with the other males: Flynn, Pope, Kroelik, hell even Gabriel (awww, she called him David! Clearly a manipulation for personal info, but still sweet) and go 'Hmmmmm.'
Yeah, that's right. I said it. A very tiny shameful part of me thinks that underneath Gabriel's respect and slight awe/fear for Chief Johnson there might be an itty bitty crush. And that it would be a horrible, horrible mistake if anything should ever come of it, but also really hot. He's so eager to please! Don't get me started on what I'd be willing to do for Flynn to grab Brenda one day and just lay a huge knee melting kiss on her.
Not looking forward to whatever shitstorm is on the horizen with Daniels and Gabriel. Especially since it seems the writers are setting it up that Gabriel is some kind of overprotective/super-possesive/somehow in the wrong freak. Which is so totally out of character since he is obviously absolutely fine with strong women *cough* Brenda *cough* And if they make Gabriel the bad guy in the relationship when it seems Daniels is being the bitchy unprofessional one, I'm going to be annoyed. This is why you don't date people you work with!...says the girl who has secretly been looking frantically for any possible Flynn/Brenda pairing Closer fan fic ever since the episode he complimented her legs.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 9:51 PM
As for Brenda, well, I have to agree with what most of you all are saying because she treats people like crap. A lot. But without all her character flaws I wouldn't enjoy her, or this show, so much.
And can we bring Jason O'Mara back soon please? He's so, so pretty.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:06 PM
I also loved Taylor getting in the reporter's face. Tao's matter-of-fact aid to Brenda with the fingerprinting (ewww!) "OK, Chief, I got it, just look at Gabriel..." Buzz's quiet efficiency locating "anybody admiring their handiwork". Sanchez actually picking up the reporter was a bit excessive, but I loved the slamming desks and floor, complete with glare. (And what made that was Brenda not even looking up from the notes.) Actually my favorite reaction to reporter moment was "Put down my mother's crucifix and get out of my chair!"
I hate how the only way for Fritz to get through to Brenda is to go heavy-handed. Lugging Kitty and the mess all the way to the office? Like somebody wouldn't have stopped him on the way up. I'm not sure they're ready to be married at this stage, it's all they can do to have important conversations, but I guess the writers are gonna milk this change and stress for all its worth. If handled well, it could be great and true relationship life.
Daniels/Gabriel: I think it's both ways here as to lapses. Gabriel rushing to the box and kind of pushing it at the beginning is a little excessive. But I don't think Daniels needed to get quite so annoyed when he cut in to the multi-threat definition. Everybody in this squad cuts in on each others sentences all the time, but maybe she felt more of a "Don't undermine me at work I've had enough trouble just being a chick." Stuff like this does screw with team dynamics, but I hope everybody can be a grown-up and resolve it peacefully in whatever form.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:10 PM
As soon as I so Brian Krause, I knew he would be the killer. Just did not know how or why.
Brenda's little striptease - darn, she looks good for a 45-years old.
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Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:58 PM
I can't see a Daniels pregnancy. Both Gabriel and Daniels strike me as careful types, and I think Gabriel at least wouldn't want to father a child outside of a committed, steady relationship. Maybe they just haven't shown as much of Daniels so it's harder to get her personality, but it doesn't seem likely that she'd want a baby just now. Not that they've given her much screen time/outside info, I'm not saying she's married to her job or anything, but a single mom trying to take care of a new baby while her paying job is a cop? That's pretty intense. Gabriel's watchfulness, I'd see him doing that with any girl he's dating regardless of a baby. He is a courteous gentleman, getting doors and such. The problem comes because while that may be all well and good on the dates, among their coworkers in a "tough" job it could lead to doubts, "Does he think Daniels can't handle it?" and all that. I think it's just overprotective guy/oversensitive girl and the work situation makes it a little harder to sort out.
If she is pregnant, though, and if they do go all the way to birth and such, I wanna see the squad get gooey. Maybe overplayed cliche having tough guys melt over a cute little baby, but I'd pay good money to see this group in action. (That team is also the only thing making me a bit excited about a Brenda/Fritz wedding, seeing the squad dancing and carrying on at the reception.)
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 11:20 PM
Everyone else seemed in fine form. No clue what is up with Daniels/Gabriel, but the suggestion of a pregnancy isn't something I considered (but could make alot of sense based on the little we saw.) I loved how well everyone seemed to slip right back into their roles, although was it me or was Det. Sanchez a bit too aggressive? I don't remember him being willing to manhandle someone like that. Also, I wasn't aware that Lt. Provenza was Brenda's second in command (I thought Lt. Flynn was because he heads the terrorism task force), but I after him calmly getting Buzz to film the crowd, I can see why he is.
Wow Pope, you're actually standing up - a bit - to Brenda. Thank god. I got a little tired of how (IMO) she ran roughshod over him last season.
Fritz, you're a brave, brave man. Kudos to you for finally standing up to Brenda and make her take some of the responsibility of your new place (which seems kinda nice, but are apartments that large in L.A.?) And also: Hi Kitty!
And since I watched Saving Grace I think I did see a bit of the preview for next week. All I can say to Brenda is: Pot, this is kettle. The code word is "black".
*Brian Krause's character revealed to be a killer and arsonist. Then arrested (after being a dolt and admitting to starting the fire that killed four people) and probably sent to prison for the rest of his life. Damien, how did you get this done?
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 11:23 PM
Will be sad to see the deliciously creepy and oddly charismatic Kroelic gone. Understandable since he can't stick around forever, as giving Brenda a Moriarty figure would be a bad idea I think, but I thought they had fabulous chemistry.
I don't know that we've seen the last of Kroelic. After all, he's still supposed to be out there, somewhere, and not brought to justice. I think the writers want to leave the possibility open of having Kroelic return because O'Mara has insane amounts of chemistry with Sedgewick. I have to wonder what that original casting notice read as. Something like, "misogynistic, homicidal, arsonist with good looks, a sense of humor and comedic flair". He's such a horrible, terrifying character and then the next moment, he's actually making me laugh with things like "I can see you agree."
I did realize it was the firefighter early on but since Brenda's interaction with Kroelic was more the point of the episode, I wasn't surprised that the mystery was very clear cut. The reporter was annoying, and only partially saved by the fun moment with Sanchez. Please never let the show depict something quite as gruesome as Brenda having to put on burn victims' skin for fingerprinting again though. That, by the way? One sentence I never thought I'd type in my entire life. Just plain old yuck.
Nice start to the season, and it's good to have the show back.
Posted Jul 14, 2008 @ 11:23 PM
You know that's gonna play out at some point.
When Fritz said he found Brenda's sweater that they hadn't seen in a while, did anybody else but me wonder if Croelick had had it for a while and just brought it back? The time line probably doesn't work, but I'd sure be wondering what the guy had been doing in my house prior to my arrival. Sniffing my undies? Installing web cams? Creeeepy.
Sidenote: Jason O'Mara is very pretty. I fell in love with him in 2001 in a BBC show called Monarch of the Glen. He was just a recurring character for a six episode arc in season two, but, most importantly, he goes skinny-dipping in the beautiful Scottish countryside in one of the six episodes. Yummy.
I did see the preview for next week, but I was distracted. Looks like Provenza may be in some hot water.
Posted Jul 15, 2008 @ 8:15 AM
I enjoyed the premiere but was surprised to see commercials. This is the first time since the series started that the season premiere wasn't commercial free. I got used to it.
I think Gabriel and Daniels are fighting. When Brenda asked him if there were problems with the two of them, he looked guilty. He's not a very good liar. Daniels was also shooting daggers at him through the entire episode.
Posted Jul 15, 2008 @ 8:25 AM
And so glad Kitty's staying! As a card-carrying member of her Fan Club, I look for her cameos every week!
Posted Jul 15, 2008 @ 8:51 AM
Also, I wasn't aware that Lt. Provenza was Brenda's second in command
Of the three Lieutenants, Provenza has the most seniority. That he's 2nd in command has come up before; if Brenda's not at the crime scene yet, he's the one giving out assignments and there was some episode where Brenda wasn't in the murder room for some reason and Pope asked Provenza to walk him through the case.
I definitely do not think Daniels is pregnant.
I found a summary for next week's episode: the case is about a recently paroled murdered who is the victim of a hit and run. (If Flynn's in trouble, I'd guess it was one of his old cases. Damn - did any of his old cases get handled correctly?). And Fritz throws his back out, which puts Brenda in the position of actually having to actually take care of him. The horror!
Posted Jul 15, 2008 @ 9:22 AM
IDK about that. To me, Sanchez in particular has always seemed like the one most likely to open up a can of whupass on a body. He's always the one in the interview room when Brenda needs someone to glare menacingly at a suspect. I've always felt that his awesome restraint comes from a recognition of his own hotheadness.
I loved how well everyone seemed to slip right back into their roles, although was it me or was Det. Sanchez a bit too aggressive? I don't remember him being willing to manhandle someone like that.
I loved the scene when Fritz dumped Kitty on Brenda while absently correcting her whenever she called the poor thing "he." He totally pulled off the 'this is my life, this is the woman I love, what's a man gonna do?' attitude about it.
And so glad Kitty's staying! As a card-carrying member of her Fan Club, I look for her cameos every week!
Posted Jul 15, 2008 @ 10:03 AM
I also am guessing that Daniels is pregnant, and the tension could be that if they get married, (and I'm guessing Gabriel does want to) one of them would definitely have to leave the squad, and neither wants to leave.
I think Sanchez's shakedown of the reporter was very much in character (also awesome); he's been shown to have a serious temper, and I've been worried for a while that he might eventually go too far with it.
Someone upstream mentioned they were glad that Brenda was the one that finally dealt with the landlord/Kitty situation (talking to him and paying the extra deposit). I think that shows a nice little bit of growth on her part. She still leans heavily on Fritz for her personal life, but I'm okay with that; I think it's been believably portrayed that in order to keep her professional life together, someone has to be there for her to keep her personal life together, or else everything would fall apart. Despite his occasional exasperation, Fritz seems to be happy to do this for her, and not afraid to push back when he has to. I love their relationship, I think they are very well matched.
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Posted Jul 15, 2008 @ 11:06 AM
Back to Closer...I really thought Brenda should have blown out the candles and told Fritz the truth about where they came from, and dealt with any fallout from Fritz about Croelick being there. Croelick is soooo creepy! birdy, he was in "Fatal Retraction." from tv.com:
I didn't get that it was the fire fighter right away, I even thought for a moment it might have been the reporter.
It seems three years ago, Flynn was instrumental in nailing a sociopath named Bill Croelick for the murder of a meth addict named Lisa Barnes. The only problem is, Lisa Barnes wasnít dead; in fact, she just now turned up on the coronerís table as the result of an overdose.
Posted Jul 15, 2008 @ 11:20 AM
I also agree that Brenda should have told Fritz what happened. That scene didn't ring true to me at all -- yes, we know Brenda is ditzy in her homelife, but she's also a professional police officer living with an FBI agent who deserves to know that the firebug found out where they live. Sort of shoddy writing, there.