What's Next?: Speculation without Spoilers
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 5:19 AM
I want Wells to stick to 4 or 5 writers and let them write the whole season. Quit doing a different writer every episode. It's not working.
Stop with the ripped from the headlines storylines. Isn't three shows on the same network enough? I'm looking at you Law & Order and its spin offs.
With Fitz's funeral coming up, I have a feeling that they'll do a poor man's Two Catherdral. We might get flashbacks how Fitz and Bartlet met. Nancy and everyone in the Sit room better be at the funeral.
What do you want to happen and what do you think is going to happen? Discuss.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 8:25 AM
But, you know, that's probably too much to hope for.
There's definitely going to be lovetrianglecakes at the start of the season, followed by despondent Josh, I dunno, plunging his hand through a window or something. We discover the entire 5th season was a valium-induced hallucination of the First Lady (yes, I know Valium isn't really psychotropic, but does Wells?).
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 9:38 AM
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 11:55 AM
-Donna leaves the WH after her recovery to travel the ME/far reaches of the globe with HP. Josh is devastated.
-Leo relapses. Wells, I will bust you like a pinata if you even try to go there.
-The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resolved. There's a miraculous, historic summit at Camp David, reasonable compromises are made by both sides, attacks against Israelis cease entirely and the myth of "refugees" is brought to an end with an independent, non-terrorist-supporting Palestinian state. By the end of the second ep of S6.
-Continue to waste the talents of Dule Hill. And Joshua Malina. Keep Will on the VP's staff, inexplicably still involved with POTUS's staff.
-Make sure Toby never shows any sort of affection or interest toward his children. Be sure to show that he thinks of them as annoyances at best and pawns in his relationship with Andi at worst.
-Bring back Amy in any way, shape, or form (even, as someone suggested to me, in a lesbian relationship with Donna).
What do I want to see? J&D together somehow. POTUS and FLOTUS in a scene together that seems, I don't know, like they like each other a little bit. Sam & Ainsley, back from their year-and-a-half-long honeymoon.
I don't think I'm asking for much, here. Except maybe the last one.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 11:57 AM
Although, I'd love, LOVE to have Season Three and Four DVDs released excluding the episodes involving HER. The Special Collector's Edition, now with 500% LESS Amy.
Yeah, I reach for the stars.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 12:25 PM
That would be even better.]
I just want them to bringback the funny!!! (And a little moving on for with the J/D romance for chrissakes so I can concentrate on the 'plots?' more!) I haven't hated this Season as much as the rest of you seem to have but watching the DVD's of the old show, the funny is definitely lacking. Sigh.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 12:35 PM
-Josh and Donna together
-Ben to go away. Forever.
-Margaret!! And, Danny.
-Edward James Olmos and Glenn Close to pop by
-Getting to see Molly and Huck, they must be getting so big
-Annual Marlee Matlin cameo. With Kenny!
-Ainsley to return. Swimtern to not.
-Humor of the "Celestial Navigation" variety
-Will to either find a reason for being in the West Wing, or to scadaddle.
The Special Collector's Edition, now with 500% LESS Amy.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 1:11 PM
I suppose I understand the disillusionment as a theme for S5, but oh my god, am I sick of it. I want to root for them again. I want them to have the fire back, again. I think that the show needs to start looking to its own legacy, and how it would potentially wrap things up after 6, 7 seasons, and this is how I'd do it: go out with the characters feeling like they're on top - not like their administration was a series of failures or missteps or "could have beens." I want to see them have a big win, so that the Bartlet legacy is a positive one - like, take back Congress and get something big accomplished in the last 2 years. Improve Healthcare, etc. And I want to see them all get behind a winner, someone they can believe in, someone who would lure JoMa back from Bingo Bob's dark lair of despair, someone that Toby could have victory #2 with. And, somebody who WE care about, not random guest star of the week.
Here's my dream scenario: once Rob Lowe's new show tanks (because, I'm sorry, a Doctor by day, Vegas Casino Lothario by night? Come on.) they bury the hatchet, give him "Special Guest Star" status to soothe his wounded ego, and have him drop in towards the end of S6, plop down in Josh's office, and smiling, say, "So I'm thinking of running for President." (Or Senate. Or whatever). The Bartletites have someone to rally behind that they believe in, and Leo and Jed can make cameos as brilliant elderstatesmen if WW2: Electric Sam-Led Boogaloo takes off. Otherwise, it's a good way to ease off into the sunset in S7 - the team rallying to send Jed off with a legacy, and to see Sam elected to higher office. It would be stuntcasting of the highest order, but I'd watch...and I bet it would bring viewers in, to see Sam returning. At the very least, it would get people talking about the show again outside of these hallowed halls of bandwidth.
(Aside: Hi everyone who might remember me; unreliable web access gets me here every so often, but I try to at least keep up with a few threads.)[/deej's_honey waving hello].
ETA: I just read ptmflbsc's post over in the Season 5 Retrospective Thread and I think we're sharing parts of the same brain. :) And now, I'm off to wallow in the J/D thread.
Edited by deej's_honey, May 20, 2004 @ 1:32 PM.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 1:39 PM
Episode #602 "The Birnam Woods"
The story of Macbeth and great Birnam Wood.
When Macbeth went to speak with the witches, an apparition explains to Macbeth that he shall never be vanquished until the Great Birnam Wood marches to Dunsinane Hill. Malcolm tells his army to camouflage themselves with the branches from Birnam Woods so that they could not be seen. A messenger tells Macbeth that Birnam Woods is marching on Dunsinane Hill.
Re: Jason Issac's character (HP)
This is the thing about West Wing bringing a movie star to play a minor character. We really don't know if he is just a minor character. Or will he play a pivotal role in the opener for next season? As contrasted with, say, a typical Law and Order where a HITG appears, you know he will be the culprit, because they wouldn't just bring in a star to play a throw-away role.
It is awfully suspicious that HP can just show up at Donna's bedside in Germany. I think HP is a double-agent, in camouflage.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 1:54 PM
Personally? I think that we may be giving the show's writers too much credit by reading into the realism of the Photojournalist character and his actions. I think that Jason Isaacs really might just be a "look at who we've got guest-starring" ratings grabber for sweeps. Especially because it ain't no thang for TWW to bring big-name stars in for one- or two-episode guest appearances (Glenn Close, Karl Malden, Edward James Olmos, Matthew Perry, Christian Slater.) Though if I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat my words, because I am, in fact, intrigued by the relevance of the "Birnam Woods" title.
Re: Jason Issac's character (HP)
This is the thing about West Wing bringing a movie star to play a minor character. We really don't know if he is just a minor character. Or will he play a pivotal role in the opener for next season?
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 2:41 PM
That'd do it for me!
Sam & Ainsley, back from their year-and-a-half-long honeymoon
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 6:34 PM
First off, it's a general rule for Pod characters: When someone gets all pissy and has this let's-blow-everybody-up thing going on, the only other side of their personality can be I'm-so-broken-nobody-loves-me. Pod people really are flat that way. Hence, the only direction for PodLeo to go is BrokeDownLeo, who relapses and starts chugging whatever alcoholic beverage is at hand. Even cheap cognac. Meanwhile, PodAbbey is downing whatever pill-shaped drugs are at hand. Things then, as they say, happen. Because what Wells has finally realized is that WW doesn't need more sex appeal (ie. Swimtern and Marina Lewinsky), but more sex.
Which of course brings to Josh and Donna, who will sleep together, which won't help resolving their relationship, whatever it is. And we'll get all these little scenes of the two of them at the office, all awkward and cutesy, except it'll be just awkward to watch because Wells is really having them awkward around each other so he and the writers won't have to come up with that thing, you know, the um, the dialogue thing. Just like the season 5 opener, which let you know Sorkin was no longer writing the show because there were so many silences when well-chosen words would have been outstanding.
There will be many new arrivals in a town we all know. Josh Malina will be there, as will Charlie's voice. (They'll keep his body around the WH though, so Jed can get his folders and reports handed to him.) Malfoy the Sextoy Photo-boy will be there, vanished completely from the storyline (C.J. will ask Donna about him - "I don't want to talk about it." - C.J. will ask Josh about him - "I don't want to talk about it." And that will supposedly be funny.) Mandy will get a tad jealous though, because he's got three names that rhyme with each other, and she doesn't. But he'll get in her good graces by reminding her that she named the town.
I haven't thought about which fate worse than death they have in store for C.J. and Toby yet. Wait, wait... C.J. and Toby. You know, what if they might work well toget--
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 7:36 PM
- some sort of J/D resolution/escalation. They have opened the can of worms ('shipper in me cheers), they shouldn't go back. I have liked the slow and logical suggestions.
-the aliens invading PodLeo leave his body, and he returns to being the best character on television, with the power to make me cry on command (re:Commencement)
-cheers to the Molly/Huck suggestion, though not aged inexplicably
-Matthew Perry - I heard he might be available
-Joey and Kenny (to trust Joey is to trust Kenny :) )
-Charlie gets the girl, and more importantly, more lines!
What I am curious about:
-After Gaza, I didn't think there was anyway HP was involved, he seemed to be acting normal to me, but after MD, I just thought it was weird that he showed up, left, and then the whole "someone knew Josh was in Germany" thing happened. I think he's involved afterall.
Edited by vacationgirl, May 20, 2004 @ 7:38 PM.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 8:20 PM
Oh yeah, it has to be a cliffhanger that we are going to care about. It would be a good way to build up momentum for a strong second half.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 8:25 PM
I just want Leo to come back. Remember him? I love Leo. PodLeo makes me cry. He's not very nice.thats just not cool. And, I wish Jed and Abbey would speak. That'd be nice.
Edited by Georgetown Girl, May 20, 2004 @ 8:26 PM.
Posted May 20, 2004 @ 8:46 PM
Posted May 21, 2004 @ 3:32 PM
Posted May 21, 2004 @ 3:50 PM
If they were, by some miracle, able to do a Jed vs. Leo plotline that was even remotely interesting, Id probably drop dead from a stroke. More likely they're going to do a PodLeo falls off the wagon storyline.
And I say to Wells and co? Fuck It. Go ahead. Do It. It's cliche and stupid, and not well thought out, but you know deep down inside you want to do this. And we all know that JS would act his ass off for whatever crap-ass storyline you give him, cause that's the kind of man he is. So make him a fall down, slurring his speech, drunk, cause we know JS can pull that off. Just don't ever watch Seasons 1-4 again, becuase you'll realized how fucking stupid a "fall off the wagon" story is.
Even better? Have PodLeo reach out to Josh for help at his darkest hour, only to be rebuffed by Josh cause he's too busy taking care of ShmoopykinsDonna. And then in Season 7 you can do a whole JoshAngst storyline where he feels bad about how he treated Leo, and HE can start poppin pills and drinking booze.
Man the good storylines just write themselves, don't they Wells?
Posted May 21, 2004 @ 5:09 PM
Edited by HyeChaps, May 22, 2004 @ 10:06 AM.
Posted May 21, 2004 @ 8:52 PM
Edit: And it ends with us finding out Zoey is actually Leo's. Yeaaah.
Edited by Skywater, May 21, 2004 @ 8:53 PM.
Posted May 22, 2004 @ 12:24 AM
Edited by Gordon Shumway, May 22, 2004 @ 12:25 AM.
Posted May 22, 2004 @ 5:14 AM
I'm totally down with the deathbed confession. And the latter half of the season involves Leo's recovery, and Abbey struggling with her emotions. In the last three episodes of the season, Abbey decides to announce she's seeking a divorce from Jed, and the Senior Staff struggle to control and spin this latest Bartlet crisis. Meanwhile, Leo struggles with feelings of betrayal, and Jed continues being miserable. Oh, and Josh and Donna finally get together for drunken sex after Abbey's press conference.
Posted May 22, 2004 @ 10:40 AM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. A triangle between Jed, Abbey, and Leo is definitely my worst nightmare for this show.
Posted May 22, 2004 @ 11:09 AM
Posted May 22, 2004 @ 11:11 AM
Or even better, Fitz's.
How about this love triangle: after Josh declares his undying love for Donna and they, uh, consummate the relationship, Donna learns that she's pregnant. With HP's kid...
Hey, it's no more ridiculous than the entire "Hoynes did CJ" thing.
Posted May 22, 2004 @ 2:29 PM
I'm trying to breathe. I need to go write Jed/Abbey fic, now.
I'm not listening to this anymore...LA LA LA LA!