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[humblepie]

Although "historic facts as they pertain to a show plot (e.g. JFK assassination, Wild Bill's death, etc.)" aren't considered spoilers here at TWoP, here's the thread for whenever Milch goes for fictional license.

[Rhoswen]

Well, I'll start us off with the names of the first 4 episodes of season 2, and the dates they'll air on HBO (9PM Sundays). For fans of Carnivale who are thinking, "Hey, that's when Carnivale's on," Carnivale will be moving to 10PM as of March 6:

Ep 13 (201) - 03/06/05 - A Lie Agreed Upon, Part 1
Ep 14 (202) - 03/13/05 - A Lie Agreed Upon, Part 2
Ep 15 (203) - 03/20/05 - New Money
Ep 16 (204) - 03/27/05 - Requiem for a Gleet

Edited by Rhoswen, Feb 3, 2005 @ 7:30 PM.

[Rhoswen]

Since you asked... ;) ...

I don't know if this is what "gleet" means in the context of the episode title, but it means: "a chronic inflammation (as gonorrhea) of a bodily orifice usually accompanied by an abnormal discharge."

And if it doesn't mean that in the context of the title, like, if it refers to someone's name or something? Dude, change your name! Yuck!!!

:)

[WobblyHeadedBob]

Isn't gleet that Hanna-Barbera cartoon character that looks like a gelatenous blob with cute eyes?

[mickeyjace]

I don't know if this is what "gleet" means in the context of the episode title, but it means: "a chronic inflammation (as gonorrhea) of a bodily orifice usually accompanied by an abnormal discharge."

Ewww...I hope it doesn't involved poor Trixie. She never got over Al grabbing her snatch in such a cruel manner.

[WobblyHeadedBob]

Don't you mean: "all puss-y and gross"? What you wrote has an entirely different meaning.

[jm chen]

It's hard to make anything with "pus" in it not sound gross. Technically I believe he was "pus-y." Might have to write to The Vine on that one.

Okay, I'm getting out of this thread before people start talking about actual spoilers.

[Rhoswen]

Spoilers:

A new madam arrives in town in the first episode of season 2. She is played by Alice Krige (who was the Borg queen in Star Trek: First Contact), and she is Joanie's partner in a new brothel.

Seth Bullock's son William and his governess also arrive in the first episode, as well as a character named Jack Langrishe (who historically was a real-life person), the head of an acting troupe.

Ricky Jay (who played card dealer Eddie Sawyer) doesn't return for season 2.

[Bentley]

My God. Did everyone see the new Deadwood promo tonight? Much longer, much more explicit, and finally some real scenes from the new season. I don't know what happens in season 2, but I do know that practically every male character on the show looks like he's been through a fucking war. Facial injuries galore. Maybe an Indian attack? I thought Al had had a stroke, his face was so badly wounded.

And it's not the governess coming to town with Seth's child, it's the wife. They showed a scene where Seth introduces Alma to both of them. Talk about uncomfortable...

Another interesting thing I noticed, Al is saying "The next one's to your head" to Dan, while he has a rifle pointed at him. I have no idea what put those two at odds with each other.

They also showed what must be Joanie's employee in the brothel, a dark-haired lady in a red dress.

There was lots of Seth and Alma in the promo, and another surprise to me is that he's asking her to make the decision for them to leave town.

The new promo also gave context to some quotes we've been hearing every week. Al, standing on the Gem balcony, says to Seth, "You would not want to be staring like that at me," because Seth is giving him a hard look. Seth then tells Al to "Be where I can find ya." Sol is lying injured on a bed when he says "You don't get to walk away without saying why" and his voice sounds kind of slurred as he says it. You can't see who he's talking to in the scene, but they imply it's Seth, who is sitting there in the next scene, saying "I love her."

Oh, and one more interesting line... EB says, "The claims, Richardson! They're being overturned." Don't know what this means for Alma and her fortune.

Edited by Bentley, Feb 14, 2005 @ 11:12 PM.

[bluedahlia]

I saw and luckily taped the promo! Just Wow. I am beyond elated to finally see new clips for the new season. Yeah I noticed all the men looked beaten to a pulp!- even poor Sol. I know Al and Seth are supposed to get into a very nasty fight that has something to do with Alma (not sure why Al is sticking his nose in re Alma) in the first episode.

The governess still does come to town, but it did seem Seth was introducing his son to Alma for the first time while his wife was there. Not sure what episode that is either as that preview seemed to span alot of time.

My jaw also dropped a bit at the very intense Love scene with Seth and Alma. Wowza.
The most intriguing thing to me is what on earth has Dan done to get on Al's bad side?

I believe the dark haired lady will turn out to be Joanie's partner not employee atleast according to previous spoilers on the Deadwood Stage site. Also they have a very good transcript up of the new promo there as well, in case anyone missed it.

[mickeyjace]

Another interesting thing I noticed, Al is saying "The next one's to your head" to Dan, while he has a rifle pointed at him. I have no idea what put those two at odds with each other.

OMG! I almost fell to the floor when I read this. Haven't seen the previews but...just no...not Al and my cuddly bear Danny. I hope he hasn't lost his head over another "Flora" type.

[WobblyHeadedBob]

Or Dan is jealous of Al's new relatiohship with Silas Adams, he who's "mother fucked a monkey"

[Bentley]

I know Al and Seth are supposed to get into a very nasty fight that has something to do with Alma (not sure why Al is sticking his nose in re Alma) in the first episode

I can't remember where I saw it, but I ran across a comment from Ian McShane that Al and Alma have something in common, so it 's natural that they should finally meet. He didn't elaborate on what they have in common, though. I wonder if Ian says something inappropriate to Alma or threatens her and that's why he and Seth get into such a bloody brawl(although this sounds too much like a repeat of the finale). It isn't like Al to involve himself in other people's business unless he thinks it will affect his own business in some way. And is Seth feeling the need to leave town because he realizes his family is on its way or because of something Al said or did? In the promo, Seth and Alma are wearing the same clothes when they're having the discussion about leaving Deadwood as when Seth introduces her to his wife and child, so things obviously happen very quickly after the big fight.

As for what's going wrong between Al and Dan, I saw this spoiler at Deadwood Stage, which has a great spoiler section:

Swearengen readies for another showdown with Bullock and infighting between Adams (Titus Welliver) and Dority (W. Earl Brown) turns deadly;

And one more interesting note from Deadwood Stage:

Swearengen (Ian McShane) and Bullock (Timothy Olyphant) have an inadvertently public and violent confrontation over Bullock's relationship with Alma (Molly Parker);

Again, I just can't see why Al could possibly be interested in Seth and Alma. I can easily see him beating up Sol; there's a history there. Whatever happened, I know it can't be a good thing that Seth has made a new enemy out of Al just as his wife and child join him in Deadwood.[/I]

Edited by Bentley, Feb 20, 2005 @ 3:18 PM.

[mickeyjace]

Swearengen readies for another showdown with Bullock and infighting between Adams (Titus Welliver) and Dority (W. Earl Brown) turns deadly;

Ahhh...isn't that sweet. The boys are fighting for Al's attention. I can't wait!

[bluedahlia]

Whatever happened, I know it can't be a good thing that Seth has made a new enemy out of Al just as his wife and child join him in Deadwood.

Hmm the idea of Seth and Al being enemies bothers me! I so enjoyed their slight camaraderie towards the end of last season. I'm hoping they can beat the shit outta each other and still put it behind them. There was an interesting part in the end of the preview that had Al saying to Seth "Running away doesn't solve anything" almost in a fatherly advice way and this was post-fight as there faces were beaten up. So I'll cling to that for now.

[Bentley]

I'm with you, blue dahlia. I really liked where Seth and Al were at the end of last season. I had speculated that the uneasy, semi-friendly and slightly comical relationship between them would be tested in season 2 by the fact that Seth is now the sheriff and Al is up to his ears in illegal activities. I certainly didn't expect their relationship to go to hell in the very first episode though! Oh well, people always say that girls can hold grudges for years but boys will fight it out and then it's over. Let's hope this is the case.

By the way, tonight's promo was a shortened repeat of earlier promos, but there was one line from Seth that I hadn't noticed before that may account for why he and Al are fighting. Seth says, "Get in here and account for your insult." It's not clear that he's saying it to Al, but it makes sense, given what we know of the sequence of events in the first two episodes.

ETA that I just saw this blurb at Deadwood Stage:

NEW 2/21/2005 - The acclaimed drama returns for a second season with an episode penned by creator David Milch. Lauded for its gritty realism, the Western hasn't lost a step: it's just as well-written, great looking---and profane---as ever. In the spring of 1877, Al Swearengen (Golden Globe winner Ian McShane) is reacting badly to news of the formation of the Dakota Territory. He publicly insults Sheriff Bullock (Timothy Olyphant), and the two have a bloody confrontation in the street. Meanwhile, a stagecoach arrives with some very notable passengers from Bullock's past. (source: TVG)

Edited by Bentley, Feb 21, 2005 @ 10:57 PM.

[aphrodite-in-nyc]

I agree -- I have been holed up with the flu and I watched all of Season One -- and I realized that as the episodes went along everyone was becoming friendly. I liked the Al & Seth bonding!!! I hope it isn't abandoned after the first episode....

[mickeyjace]

He publicly insults Sheriff Bullock (Timothy Olyphant), and the two have a bloody confrontation in the street.

I can't believe EW let this slip in their article over in the media thread. Fight over Alma's tits...hee hee...or rather Al makes an insult about Alma. I CANNOT wait to see it. My two favorite boys having it out. I saw a bloody Al in one of the previews. I think the fight will end in a draw.

[SadieHyde]

The commentary on the last episode is brilliant, with Seth and Al making fun of each other's acting throughout. Al also does a spot on imitation of Farnum which is too funny for words. Al sums up their relationship by saying that Al needs Seth but Seth doesn't need Al- and that they're both 'old time' guys kind of frightnened of the technology and forward momentum of the camp. Al sees them as kindred spirits, which of course is the last thing Seth wants to see himself as. I'm very much looking forward to the next season- my favorite is Sol and I'd like to see how the Trixie thing works out. As for Dan? I hope he doesn't join the deadpool. It's hard to make someone who does what he does sympathetic, but somehow he pulls it off.

[mickeyjace]

my favorite is Sol and I'd like to see how the Trixie thing works out

. I hope she gets to nurse him back to health after he gets shot. My poor Sol.

As for Dan? I hope he doesn't join the deadpool.

I perish the thought of my DirtyDan going away but since there's a match-up between him and Hotbagman Silas, I don't know if that fight will end in a draw.

[michelec]

A couple of interesting items from humplepie's article link in the media thread...

Timothy Olyphant's Seth Bullock may be a bit stiff, but his character reveals a new side next week - cowardice.

Color me surprised. Seth never struck me as the type to back down, even if he was clearly in the wrong. This will be interesting to watch.

One thing's for sure: The March 13 episode will swear you off bacon forever.

I can't imagine what that could be since we already know about the diet of Mr. Wu's pigs. Maybe now we actually get to see the grisly doings instead of it being implied?

[Bentley]

michelec, I wonder if the cowardice they're referring to isn't about Seth backing down from a fight so much as his wish to leave town with Alma before his wife and child arrive. Judging from Al's mangled face in comparison to Seth's, it doesn't look like he backed down from that confrontation at all, unless Sol getting shot on Seth's behalf persuades Seth to cry truce. But that wouldn't be cowardice so much as loyalty.

Edited by Bentley, Mar 3, 2005 @ 6:06 PM.

[mickeyjace]

but his character reveals a new side next week - cowardice.

Wow...just one look from Al scared C.J. for the rest of the epi....Seth isn't that much of a coward. Cannot wait to see the showdown.

[ovrdedge]

Just watched the 15-minute "Making of Season 2" on HBO and wow.....that naked love scene between Seth and Alma is something I'm looking forward to! Also, both Molly Parker and Robin Weigert had mentioned how Garret Dillahunt who played Jack McCall, was really good-looking in real life, and he certainly cleans up very nicely as Wolcott.

[mickeyjace]

Molly Parker and Robin Weigert had mentioned how Garret Dillahunt who played Jack McCall, was really good-looking in real life

He's very good-looking, especially in this photo. They worked wonders with the make-up on Deadwood when he was Jack McCall.

[Bentley]

ovrdedge, I missed the "making of" special. Can you give some highlights? I'm also looking forward to the Seth/Alma love scene. It could be a long time before they get to do that again, if ever.

And wow, the HBO makeup department really did do a good job with the character of Jack McCall. I was wondering how they were going to bring him in as a new character without it appearing soap opera-ish, but he really does look like a totally different person. If you'd asked me after season 1 what Jack McCall looked like under all that dirt I'd have said Peter Krause of 6 Feet Under. But that guy looks nothing like PK.

[ovrdedge]

Bentley, it's airing again at 7:45 pm PST, just before the reruns of the last two season 1 episodes.

Other highlights:
- Wolcott is in bed with Joanie Stubbs (both are fully clothed), and he's just staring at her. It's kinda creepy, and kinda hot. Wolcott tells Cy Tolliver that he and the company he represents want to work with him. Which, if he and Joanie start a relationship, could complicate the business relationship between him and Cy, I think.
- Trixie and Charlie Utter are standing around, and she asks him if he wants a quick blow job.
- Mrs. Bullock arrives, and addresses a bloody Seth as "Mr. Bullock." There's a scene where Alma greets her and says something about how she caught them at a distressing time.
- Molly Parker says that it becomes clear to Alma that Seth cannot carry on a relationship with both her and his wife at the same time.
- Scene where Calamity Jane comes back to camp and is helped by the Doc. There's also some discussion by Robin Weigert about Milch's decision to have her fart in that scene.
- some things had already been discussed in the dvd commentaries, like how the actors often got their lines the night before, and how some scenes are written on the spot and are like improv.

Also, Garret Dillahunt as Wolcott looks quite different from that candid photo. He's got dark hair and big dark eyes, and a beard.

Edited by ovrdedge, Mar 5, 2005 @ 11:10 PM.

[Bentley]

Thanks for the heads-up, ovrdedge, and the extra details.

Molly Parker says that it becomes clear to Alma that Seth cannot carry on a relationship with both her and his wife at the same time.

Alma is going to do the noble thing and give Seth up. Sigh.

- Scene where Calamity Jane comes back to camp and is helped by the Doc. There's also some discussion by Robin Weigert about Milch's decision to have her fart in that scene.

lol I can't wait to hear what Robin had to say about that. One article I read about the season opener said that's CJ's ONLY action in the whole first episode.

I also can't wait to see the "creepy but hot" Dillahunt. :) Sounds like a developing triangle, which is interesting because I didn't think Joanie was into men.

Edited by Bentley, Mar 5, 2005 @ 11:35 PM.