The Sky's the Limit: The Future of Trek
Posted Dec 19, 2004 @ 5:16 PM
My idea for a series would be one on cargo ship set in the Alpha Quadrant in the 24th century. This crew would not be Starfleet, or even have many humans, and they'd be kind of on the outside of the law. A little like Quark was: perfectly legitimate most of the time, but not above a little smuggling on the side. Anyway, in the pilot, Starfleet busts them, and offers the crew immunity if they'll do intelligence work for them. A commander in SF intel is posted on the ship to keep them in line and report back.
I figure this series would offer several new angles on the Star Trek universe. First, there was a lot of political upheaval in the last seasons of DS9 and Voyager that left some questions unanswered. What happened with the Borg? Did the virus stop them? Did the tech from Janeway's future get integrated into the fleet? What about the holographic sentience question at the end of Author Author? It looks like there's a rebellion brewing. And then there's the state of Cardassia. This series would be a good way to address all the political questions. Second, SF intelligence is kind of a shady, underdeveloped area of Star Trek. How do they operate? Do they follow the Trekkian ethos in their spying? Or are they more like Section 31? Also, this crew would be mostly alien with an alien captain, something that hasn't happened on Trek before. I can think of tons of new possibilities with this show, but I wouldn't trust it in the hands of Bermaga. I'd like to see Ira Behr or Ron Moore return to Trek. These two, plus Manny Coto and the Reese-Stevenses, seem to know what they're doing.
But I'd love to hear anyone else's suggestions.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 12:44 AM
Edited by Lexx, Dec 20, 2004 @ 12:45 AM.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 4:26 AM
Perhaps a series of animated miniserieseses? Say, five hours of DS9 followup, five of Voyager followup, the adventures of Cap'n Riker and the Titan? Or even Cap'n Pike? Or Cap'n Garret? I see endless potential.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 9:20 AM
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 10:22 AM
I can think of a lot of directions I'd like to see the franchise explore. Top of my list would be something like Starship Exeter where it's a different crew at the same time as one of the previous shows. Or like BanjoSteve suggested, possibly an all-alien crew, Starfleet or cargo runners or whatever.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 12:33 PM
When they announced Enterprise, I was pleased and I've followed the show fairly regularly. However, Enterprise sucks when compared to every other ST series. It could be great if not for Scott Bakula If only they would kill Captain Quantum off, the show would be reasonably tolerable.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 2:00 PM
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 3:13 PM
When DS9 was winding down, I thought a great new show would be set at Starfleet Academy
I'm afraid that concept would devolve into Star Trek: 90210, especially if Bermaga were involved.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 3:21 PM
As for ideas, I'm open to a lot of ideas. But you need to have a human main character at the center of the show. I think a non-human main character would be difficult to relate to. We need someone to react when something happens that's odd to us. That doesn't mean the captain has to be human, but then you can't have the captain at the center of the show.
The best idea I've heard in the time we've been discussing this is a sort of post-Academy show. A bunch of young Ensigns are on a Starfleet rotation program. They spend six months to a year in one assignment, and then move on to another. This gives them the chance to do the "Lower Decks" sort of thing, and it frees them up to go all over the galaxy. One half-season they're working out of a Mars defense station, all embroiled in quadrant politics, and the next they're out on the edge of explored space, charting nebulae. Maybe that ship crashes and they get rescued by, and spend a half-season on, a Klingon ship. You keep a core group of characters around and moving through the Trekverse.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 3:33 PM
But you need to have a human main character at the center of the show.
I strongly disagree with this. Throughout Trek there have been tons of interesting non human characters capable of supporting a show. Spock, Data, Worf, Kira, Odo, Seven of Nine, and The Doctor were all great, relatable characters who were all interesting and deep precisely for their alien-ness (except Kira. She was a great character but she was basically a human with a funny nose). And after Seven of Nine came to Voyager, it basically became the Seven Show, and IMHO wasn't much the worse for it.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 4:25 PM
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 4:48 PM
I find it interesting that so far, many of the ideas you all have are also essentially anthology series. Fleshing out the Trekverse more fully is the way to go, IMO.
Of course, I'd prefer all this to happen about 2-3 years after Enterprise runs its seven seasons. [/hopeful thinking]
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 5:11 PM
I'd like to see it going forward from Voyager's time - for me, the prequel really hasn't worked and I want to see what happens next, not more detail about what happened before (if that makes sense).
Although a Starfleet Academy or new graduate series might work, I do think it would probably go wrong and descend into 24th-century teen angst. Which would be...bad.
And finally, I think there should be a break between series, preferably long enough for Bermaga to get bored of Trek and go off to balls up something else, leaving the field free for new blood. Whether a break between series would be commercially likely, though, I don't know.
ETA: I just re-read what I wrote, and thought - I don't know if any actual new series would be commercially likely, either. Sigh.
Edited by EnglishMuffin, Dec 20, 2004 @ 5:16 PM.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 5:17 PM
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 5:55 PM
BanjoSteve, I feel that a non-human central character wouldn't keep the show grounded in an exploration of humanity. The characters you listed are all great and have great stories about them, but we need that human perspective to be able to relate. I just think about an alien captain encountering something really strange and bizzare and not reacting because it happens every day on his planet. Either that or you get an alien captain who is just barely alien, leading you to wonder why they bothered (Peter David's Capt. Calhoun comes to mind, as does any Bajoran).
I could see an alien central character maybe working if they got it exactly right. But I don't think, for example, a series set on a Klingon ship with nothing but Klingons would succeed. Throw a main-character human onto a Klingon ship as the premise and you've got a decent show. There's fleshing out the universe, and there's ignoring Trek's themes, which are about exploring what it means to be human among things that are not.
I like my post-Academy series because we really need another DS9 that lets us sit still to explore. They could do that on this show. It does't have to be young, angsty people, I just thought those would be the sort who wouldn't have picked a specialty in Starfleet yet. You could easily throw in some older characters to balance it.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 6:40 PM
Oh, poo. I didn't think of that. Yep, come to think of it, the best way to go about that would be animated, which suits me fine. I never really understood why TAS isn't considered canon anyway ... I'll take animation and be perfectly happy with it.
It would be really expensive to have to build all new sets every week
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 6:55 PM
Maybe shift to our-timeline yet with the Trek-universe still out there, and it's implications. As far as my friends ...who were much more trekkers that I...the divergence of the two timelines was at the time of Gary Seven...and ST:TOS's filming. Trek was alway closely-tied to observations on "our" times, so reverse the formulae.
An interesting ally and adversary would be Flint, or as he's know in our time...Abramson. Seven attempting to control events from an "alien" agenda...and Abramson thrusting humanity ahead from behind the scenes. A mortal human who is an "alien" vs. the immortal genius who was Leonardo da Vinci. There would be plenty of opportunities for both to be wrong, or too pig-headed to see the humanity in a given situation; plus events that one or the other might wish to meddle-in. Each trying to blend-in while being "alienated" from their fellow man, with resources more advanced. Consider it The Equalizer vs. Lazarus Long. It definitely needs Edward Woodward's cool....maybe his son? Style-wise, it would be Seven's StarFleet corporate scifi-look vs. and Abramson's Jules Verne industrial-age look of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Heh, heh...or, have Supervisor Seven be Gary's daughter or grand-daughter and make it interesting.
Edited by TGC-64, Dec 20, 2004 @ 7:10 PM.
Posted Dec 20, 2004 @ 8:30 PM
Glark, I sense a pixel challenge in the offing.
Actually I remembered we already did this around PC #50 or so:
For the record that was Pixel Challenge #26.
Edited by Glark, Dec 21, 2004 @ 10:44 AM.
Posted Dec 21, 2004 @ 10:06 AM
Mr. b and I always wanted to see the medieval Klingon pirates show. (This would most definitely have to be a cartoon!) Pre-space flight Klingon sailors on Cronos, they're tough and just like the Klingons we all know and love now, but they're sailing the seas and dealing with piracy and inter-clan wars and other good Patrick O'Brien-y stuff. Hmm, maybe we're the only two people who would watch that....
But I don't think, for example, a series set on a Klingon ship with nothing but Klingons would succeed.
Posted Dec 21, 2004 @ 10:38 AM
Posted Dec 21, 2004 @ 12:04 PM
I've always wanted to see a "Fall of the Federation" story (I hear that's what Andromeda is supposed to be).
Posted Dec 21, 2004 @ 2:55 PM
I gave up on Enterprise a couple years ago, when I realised it was season 3 and I still couldn't tell any of the characters apart. Don't know if it's improved any.
The original premise was great, a prequel about the early days of pre-starfleet space exploration. It could have filled in the history of the ST universe, the uniting of the Federation, the begining of the Federation-Klingon war...so much they could have done. In TOS it really seemed like these were pioneers in a new era of exploration, except for Phlox and (as chliched' as he is) Trip, this crew just doesn't seem to belong here.
It's like they just went down a list of "Generic Star Trek Characters" 1 Vulcan, 1 Alien species we haven't met before,1 black, 1 asian, 1 guy who speaks with an accent, 1 person who's never been on a space mission before, 1 chick in spandex, someone has to be the Captain (I'll give 'em credit for the dog, we haven't had a dog before)...Then went to central casting for people who look good in their underwear, recycled a few stand-alone storylines from the previous series, Viola! Instant Star Trek! might as well have used Mad Libs.
If/when they do do another ST series, they should have well developed characters from the begining, then be like TOS, and have a real pioneer-era feel or like DS9 (the best ST series IMO) and center around specific events in the "history" of the ST universe.
I have to respectfully disagree with the SF academy and other "all young cast" sugestions, I wouldn't trust any Tv PTB, let alone the ones reponsible for Enterprise, not to turn that into a boring soap opera with nothing but, love triangles, dating angst, gratuitous sex and pretty starlettes who can't act. Bleah! ( Sci-fi + soap opera = shark bait ,I'm picturing Lana Lang's great-great-great-great grandchildren in Star Fleet 90210 here, don't need it)
Posted Jan 29, 2005 @ 9:59 AM
I had an idea this week about the next Trek, whatever the story premise may be. I think the next Trek should be a comedy. They've done occasional comedy eps in the past, and they (the ones I remember, anyway) were great. Also, it seems like so much of Trek has been so stodgy, it would be a novel idea. I'm not talking about the average, cringe-inducing "wacky hijinks ensue," sitcom stuff, but more grown-up humor, organic to the situation.
Maybe it could take place on a small, unimportant ship somewhere in the Alpha Quadrant, with a crew consistently underrated by Starfleet, not considered "hero" material, which would also make a refreshing change.
I don't know, just thinking out loud. A whole new direction would be a good thing, and this would definitely be that.
Edited by Dane, Jan 29, 2005 @ 6:26 PM.
Posted Jan 29, 2005 @ 11:44 AM
Posted Jan 29, 2005 @ 4:24 PM
Posted Jan 29, 2005 @ 4:32 PM
Posted Jan 29, 2005 @ 6:16 PM
I think the comedic, non-heroic ship is a brilliant idea.
Thanks scarymom! I didn't think anyone would like the idea, honestly.
(I could see someone like Trip in charge of that crew).
Actually, I was totally thinking of him when the idea occurred to me. You read my mind. I picture a captain who's a smartass with a dry sense of humor. Less "hothead Trip," more "I could paint a bird-of-prey on the hull" Trip.
Star Trek takes itself too seriously to let itself become all comedy all the time
Ah, BanjoSteve, that's exactly what I'd want to change about it. Not for all time, just for one new series. Loosen it up, bring some fresh air and newness to it.
EnglishMuffin, I get what you mean, but I wouldn't want a crew of incompetents, don't get me wrong. I was just thinking of your average Starfleet officer, frequently ordered to do the impossible in 20 minutes, and applying a sense of humor to the whole thing.
More generally, DS9 aside, it's the same premise every time out, and maybe shaking up the very foundations of the show might add a new kick.
Posted Jan 29, 2005 @ 10:53 PM