I don't understand the question, and I won't respond to it: AD Criticisms from friends
Posted Sep 26, 2005 @ 3:56 PM
Posted Sep 26, 2005 @ 4:41 PM
As I've said before, Arrested Development is incredibly better than most of the network shit out there, which is why I watch it -- but let's just say I know where DHarveyOswald is coming from when talking of season two's overkill of "in" jokes. But hey, that's just my opinion, to which I'm entitled -- I hope tonight's show is better.
Posted Sep 26, 2005 @ 4:53 PM
but to give examples of a few jokes I found stale: Kitty, yet again, exclaiming her "say goodbye to these!" line; the Blue Man Group jokes; the Steve Holt storyline; and even going back to "I've made a huge mistake." At least the Mrs. Featherbottom bit is over and done with.
You're not alone. I, too, am weary of watching the same jokes, (a few of which I didn't find amusing the first time around!) repeated ad nauseam in the name of 'continuity.' My main concern isn't even as much that new viewers won't appreciate the callbacks---instead, I'm selfishly annoyed that this old viewer has to watch the same jokes over and over until they're, IMO, way past the point of played out.
I do like the show, and even named it as one the six or seven shows that my mom, a newly appointed Neilson family (woo hoo!) *must* start watching in order to maintain a healthy parent-child relationship. However, as a couple of others have noted, you can still be critical of shows you like and appreciate, and I for one am really getting eager for AD to move on to new jokes and material and leave some of these stale ones behind.
ETA: Tonight's episode reminded me of another joke I'm long past sick of---the ubiquitous chicken dance. I always found this incredibly stupid, but by now I'm ready to change the channel every time they show it yet again.
Edited by marlaas, Sep 26, 2005 @ 7:50 PM.
Posted Sep 27, 2005 @ 9:49 AM
Example: I never thought the Kitty boob jokes were funny, so every repeat of them was just as unwelcome. However, something as small as "I've made a huge mistake" gets a smile out of me every time. It's not hilarious, just a little line of recognition that I appreciate.
I do think this show can re-use jokes to a fault... the set-up should not be so convoluted and nonsensical just for the sake of trotting out the chicken dance again, even though GOB's version will forever crack my shit up.
I love AD, and I agree. It certainly wouldn't hurt to start a new canon of jokes that can be referenced, with a few oldies thrown in just every once in a while.
However, as a couple of others have noted, you can still be critical of shows you like and appreciate, and I for one am really getting eager for AD to move on to new jokes and material and leave some of these stale ones behind.
Posted Sep 27, 2005 @ 12:28 PM
And while "say goodbye to these" is certainly a joke which wouldn't be funny on its own if they simply repeated it, in its most recent incarnations, it hasn't been the joke but the SET-UP for a new joke. (Last time it was Tobias' "take these back, Michael" and this time it was "Those are blue, too!") It would bother me if they simply repeated a joke for the sake of repetition, but they usually find some clever variation on the running gag.
Posted Oct 19, 2005 @ 11:31 AM
Mystified, I asked him if he knew what episode it was. He didn't, but he did remember one thing, and then he said the two worst possible words pertaining to AD: "Martin Short."
I cringed. I desperately tried to explain to him how if there is one episode that should not be used as a barometer for the quality of AD, it's that one. But I could see in his eyes that my words were lost on him.
Damn You, Short!
Edited by 18matt, Oct 19, 2005 @ 11:31 AM.
Posted Oct 27, 2005 @ 9:12 AM
It bugs me that there aren't more people who feel the way I do. I think, with all the awards and critical acclaim it gets, AD is a show that smart, educated people are "supposed" to like. But I consider myself an intelligent person and I don't like this show at all.
Posted Oct 27, 2005 @ 9:37 AM
Posted Oct 27, 2005 @ 9:38 AM
I think it is false and dangerous to assume that all smart, educated people would have the same taste, especially when it comes to comedy. AD is obviously the type of show that divides as much as it unites... otherwise it'd be doing a lot better ratings-wise. AD fans don't do anyone a favor by claiming that all smart people must like AD, or that if you don't like it you must be dumb.
At least you give reasons that make sense (not liking the characters... I could see how that would be a big sticking point).
ETA: uh, you read my mind, vcalzone.
Edited by Tubelcaine, Oct 27, 2005 @ 9:38 AM.
Posted Oct 27, 2005 @ 9:49 AM
And most of us AD fans have found that eventually everyone on AD starts to make a kind of sense, to seem real, to be really loving...
(ah, but you made sense starchy, whereas I made typos... sigh.)
Edited by hcwoodward, Oct 27, 2005 @ 10:42 AM.
Posted Oct 27, 2005 @ 9:59 AM
I for one love it. To me enjoying a show is hardly ever about relating to the characters or identifying closely with them. With AD it's the tone -- something sorta undefinable -- that i really dig. These people are almost entirely not people i would like to know or hang out with or have as relatives or bosses or employees. But the way nearly everything they say reveals far too much about them than they can comprehend -- it's brilliant (to me)! I get sick from laughing too hard and long.
I see AD as the latest reincarnation of the Larry Sanders Show -- another one-camera sitcom done in a semi-documentary style that featured a whole world of characters who were basically just different shades of jerk, and that a lot of people didn't like so much. Only AD is so much faster and crammed with incident; maybe we're just getting used to multitasking. On that show and on this one, characters walk around acting out their personalities in the most oblivious ways. It's kind of ugly, and maybe that's why some people can't bring themselves to care (?).
(ETA hey hcwoodward, that's sort of what i almost meant to say: I just spent too long typing.)
Edited by starchystarch, Oct 27, 2005 @ 9:59 AM.
Posted Nov 1, 2005 @ 12:27 AM
Posted Nov 7, 2005 @ 7:37 PM
Posted Dec 12, 2005 @ 2:29 PM
Some of the complaints include the fact that they do not want to see a show that isn't going to be around. My dad who really doesn't like any American comedies loves the show. He has a hard time with English and pop culture jokes, but he gets AD jokes. And he loves the callbacks because you can find them funny even if you don't understand the context. He loves the political undertone too... so I do think the show is unique since it attracts him.
My SO thinks the show is okay and will watch it with me, but he will not watch it on his own. He said that it is enjoyable, but he just doesn't feel invested.
Three of my friends hate it. They think the show is pointless. They expect it to have a point because there isn't a laugh track. They feel that there is no growth at all in the characters. They think the only thing they see the characters doing is picking up each other's mannerisms (which I think is excellent).
Posted Dec 12, 2005 @ 3:25 PM
They feel that there is no growth at all in the characters.
Perhaps your friends don't understand the word play with the title of the show. If the characters did have growth, then the title of the show would be pointless, excluding the scandals with the development company.
Posted Dec 12, 2005 @ 4:01 PM
It's the "Home Improvement" plotline. Again, and again, and again. Nobody from Seinfeld ever learned anything. Even the Simpsons, though they learn lessons each episode, never remember them the next.
Edited by TurbinesToSpeed, Dec 12, 2005 @ 4:03 PM.
Posted Dec 12, 2005 @ 9:09 PM
Posted Dec 12, 2005 @ 9:28 PM
As I said, all three of them think the absence of a laugh track means that it is a pseudo drama or something. LIke 99% of the dramas have character growth!
Posted Dec 13, 2005 @ 9:41 AM
Posted Dec 27, 2005 @ 11:28 PM
Just wanted to share...two and a half years into the series and it's still winning new viewers.
Edited by swestworld, Dec 28, 2005 @ 10:31 PM.
Posted Dec 28, 2005 @ 1:40 AM
three and a half years into the series and it's still winning new viewers
If only they would come 2.5 million at a time...
Most people are put off for the various reasons mentioned, but also FOX shows generally don't appeal to mass audiences. Currently, I would say The Simpsons, Family Guy, House and NFL Football are its biggest draws (maybe 70's Show, too), and at any given time, there's really maybe only 3-5 shows on that net that do anything with big audiences.
NBC has kept plugging The Office, and has watched its 5 rating go up to almost 9 in a little over 10 months. That's very impressive, and indicative of what an actual promotional department can do. NBC has influenced audience taste before. They stuck with Seinfeld, etc. etc.
FOX appeals to specific tastes. ABC and CBS play on the family, moral, heart stuff, and NBC somehow changes the tastes of the viewing public.
People who watch Raymond generally won't switch to FOX. Thus, they won't watch AD.
Posted Dec 28, 2005 @ 2:16 AM
I am still struggling with my friends over here. A couple of my friends were all excited until I told them that there is great continuity. Now they feel like they have to watch it all together for it to make sense. They did promise to rent DVDs in the very near future.
Posted Dec 28, 2005 @ 2:40 AM
Prison Break does fine, but it's not like it's a world beater. I think L&O and other shows on the big three regularly beat its ratings. Please do disprove that notion.
Most of my friends love AD. The one thing I am (and these AD-loving friends are) wary of is the obsessive AD fan who goes too far and insults the "comedy intelligence" of those who don't dig the show. People have different tastes.
We all agree this is a show that absolutely warrants mainstream acceptance. Hopefully, another net will snap up the show and give it the exposure it deserves.
Posted Dec 28, 2005 @ 12:58 PM
These are the same people that watch NBC Office/My Name Is Earl, whatever that implies.
Posted Dec 28, 2005 @ 8:19 PM
Posted Dec 29, 2005 @ 8:46 AM
Edited by Navin, Dec 29, 2005 @ 8:48 AM.
Posted Dec 29, 2005 @ 2:00 PM
The Office (US) has enough cynicism and edge to it to be closer to AD in tone, which makes "Office, yay; AD, boo" more puzzling
It seems like a lot of The Office (US) fans are drawn to the show because of the Pam-Jim relationship. AD doesn't have any soapy romances that the viewer is supposed to care about, with the possible exception of Maebe and George Michael. And even there, there's the cousin aspect which makes it more funny and weird than romantic.
Posted Apr 17, 2012 @ 9:51 AM
I also fully concur with people who felt that the show's jaw-droppingly impressive continuity could (and often did) cross the line into simply recycling some of the same gags over and over to the point where it could feel a little self-congratulatory and more than a little repetitive. Sometimes the same jokes and themes were used in new and creative ways, but many really did just feel repeated ad nauseum, to the point where even a few things I initially thought were funny and clever elicited a certain "okay, enough; we get it already!" reaction.
All that said, one criticism with which I vehemently disagree is that the show had no heart. I'm actually blown away by how much subtle but undeniable poignancy and even sweetness this show had. In some ways, the sneakily insightful heartwarming stuff was even more consistently effective for me than the show's humor. On a related note, I've also come to disagree with the oft-repeated assertion that these characters were too dysfunctional and flawed to like or root for. I'm actually shocked by how endearing most of them and their relationships with one another became, and how their flaws, while comically exaggerated, were ones I could relate to all too easily (which, um, probably says a lot about me and my own family dynamic!) I've grown far more attached to these characters than I'd ever have imagined possible.