The Waltons: Good Night John Boy!
Posted Apr 5, 2010 @ 9:34 PM
And, the f-ed up timeline of the CBS movies in the late 80's/90's is just unbearable. Granted, at least Richard Thomas was on hand, and since I have much affection for him,and the series, I will give the films a small, and I do mean small,pass for that. But otherwise....Mr Hamner, WHAT were you thinking?
Posted Apr 6, 2010 @ 12:46 AM
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Posted Apr 6, 2010 @ 8:05 AM
I just finished writing up a rather lengthy review on Amazon about my displeasure with all these movie inconsistencies. For me, the biggest, most inexcusable ones are devoting almost an entire special to Mary Ellen's angst over not being able to have children -- and then, magically, showing her as having two (non-John Curtis) children in a future special. Without a single word of explanation. How hard would it have been to utter a single line about "When we adopted these two..." or "With medical advances these days..." It wouldn't have been that big a deal to me, except for the fact that they devoted almost AN ENTIRE SPECIAL TO THE STORYLINE! And then, suddenly, it's as though you're supposed to pretend the storyline never happened? It's an insult to the viewers' intelligence.
What about John Curtis? On one of the specials, he sees Grandpa's ghost. He was born in 1940. That would have made him 29 in 1969, but he is never mentioned. Of course, since Ma an Pa Walton have only been married for FORTY years in 1969, John Curtis would be Jason's age. Where does that leave John Boy? Did John knock up Olivia when she was twelve and finally marry her when John Boy was 12? Was it the actor's vanity that kept them from being in their 70s in 1969? John Boy should have been 51 in 1969. Elizabeth should have been 41. Even Elizabeth should have been around for John and Olivia's wedding!
Then, we find out in another of the movies that Ben and Cindy lost their daughter Ginny, as a young woman. And...that's it. A tear-filled Cindy sits with Erin, and we get NO further details. I understand that Ginny was hardly an important character, but she WAS a Walton, and we DID see quite a bit of her in the original series; and personally, I think it would be better for TPTB to ignore the character's existence altogether, ala John Curtis, rather than bring up something so incredibly tragic as a character death, and then just leave the ends dangling like that, you know? That's just terrible, terrible writing, in my book.
Speaking of Cindy...where exactly was she in the last two movies? *peers into the distance*
Finally, Elizabeth has always been presented as such a homebody throughout the series. Even one of these TV specials centers upon her being all upset because she's the last one at home, and it seems that none of her other siblings will be coming home for Thanksgiving, and nobody else even seems to care much one way or another about it. And then, flash forward a couple of movies, we learn that Elizabeth's been vagabonding across Europe, for...no particular reason, at least not that we know of...and soon after she's come home, she's itching to...join the Peace Corps?! Um, okay...
The entire reason that I bought these movies was because I wanted some sort of future "closure" for my beloved Walton clan. I knew the timeline would be off, and all that good stuff. But...I dunno. Maybe it would've been better to bid them a fond farewell after the war ended? I really can't say at this point.
Posted Apr 6, 2010 @ 4:54 PM
I don't mean to be picky. I love The Waltons, always will.
Posted Apr 7, 2010 @ 12:59 PM
Posted Apr 7, 2010 @ 4:38 PM
I would mention Curt returning from the dead as an example of Resurection Theatre, but that never happened cause Curt died at Pearl Harbor, so I won't mention it.
Posted Apr 8, 2010 @ 9:36 AM
Posted Apr 8, 2010 @ 12:24 PM
I would mention Curt returning from the dead as an example of Resurection Theatre, but that never happened cause Curt died at Pearl Harbor, so I won't mention it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<
That was another thing I could never figure out. WHY did they bring Curt back from the dead? They didn't even have the same actor play Curt. I do like Scott Hylands better than Tom Bower, but since he was never seen or heard from again, why resurrect him as such a jerk, when he could have stayed dead as a hero? They were grasping for stories in that last season.
One of my favorite characters was Flossie Brimmer, played by Nora Marlowe. She and Will Geer died around the same time. One of my favorite Waltons scenes starred Flossie. When Reverend Fordwick, and the flock had a book burning. John Boy threw a fit, pulled a book from the burning pile that was written in German, and asked if anyone could translate it. Flossie was afraid to admit her German heritage, but she read a bit of it in German, and then translated it. It was The Bible they were going to burn! I must admit, I got goose bumps, and shed some tears there!
The loss of Richard Thomas and Will Geer were the worst things that happened to the show. Ralph Waite did an admirable job holding it together, but when the younger kids had to start carrying the show, it got far fetched, and silly.
Edited by BX60, Apr 8, 2010 @ 12:25 PM.
Posted Apr 8, 2010 @ 2:11 PM
I didn't know Flossie Bremer died around the same time as Grandpa. I saw her recently as one of James Mason's goons in North by Northwest. Weird to see her wielding a pistol at Cary Grant.
I like Original Recipe Curt, even with his nasally insults and all ("Mary-Ellen, you're fa-a-a-a-a-a-at"), but when he was reincarnated a muscle jock that was too much.
Posted Apr 8, 2010 @ 8:20 PM
I loved the NBC specials though. They were my introduction to the Waltons and I still think they hold up rather well.
Posted Apr 8, 2010 @ 9:15 PM
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Posted Apr 8, 2010 @ 9:42 PM
Hi, oceanblue! You've got a great point about The Waltons' daily lives vrs real events. The episode "The Abdication" comes to mind. Granted, a film company making a film about Waltons Mountain was a bit of a stretch, but the subplot in that episode was the story of King Edward abdicating to marry Wallis Simpson, and Mary Ellen linking that romantic story with meeting the hunky British guy who works on the movie production (yummy Stephen Collins, no less).
And I was sorry that we never saw Jonesy in the 1990's movies, cause Jonesy was hot.
Posted Apr 8, 2010 @ 11:13 PM
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Posted Apr 9, 2010 @ 10:16 AM
I was digging Ben's mid-1990s mullet; all the rage of course in 1969.
I was too busy staring at Very Blonde Jason. I guess Godsey's began stocking Sun-In during the 1960s?
I will NEVER accept a color TV in the Walton's living room. It was bad enough when they got a phone.
God, I know! Why don't they just give the Baldwins (because you KNOW they're still alive and well on that mountain somewhere, making the recipe) some iPods? Maybe a blog for John Boy, and kill me simultaneously?
Posted Apr 9, 2010 @ 10:26 AM
John Boy happens to see the Hindenburg blow up because he wins a Contest of Incomprehensible Plot Contrivance...
What made it particularly irksome was the FAIL scene with John-Boy in living color superimposed over the black & white Hindenburg footage. And you're right, the Small Town Newspaper Contest for Publications Printed in a Garden Shed Somewhere in the Blue Ridge Mountains was pretty contrived.
As if the Walton's color TV wasn't bad enough, we have to watch muscle cars tooling around Rockfish. Nice to see that John held on to his 1929 Ford truck all these years though.
We've been re-watching season 1 and it's so pleasant to hear Elizabeth speak clearly before she contacted the uber-stuffy nose that would afflict her for the next 8 years.
Edited by Tim McD, Apr 9, 2010 @ 10:31 AM.
Posted Apr 9, 2010 @ 10:45 AM
Nice to see that John held on to his 1929 Ford truck all these years though.
Thanks for the laugh. I'm surprised he didn't loan that thing to Pa Ingalls.
Posted Apr 9, 2010 @ 5:03 PM
uber stuffy nose
That? Is totally my new band name.
TimMcD, you're killing me. Again. Now I keep hearing Elizabeth's "Bama! Bama!"(Mama! Mama!) in my head.
And don't forget the Burning Paper Of Tragedy that the crew was throwing at Richard Thomas and the other actors.Gotta give RT his due, his reactions were great,and the scene later when he tells John about what he saw was well done. As always.
Posted May 17, 2010 @ 2:01 PM
Here's food for thought - if the Walton clan were on Twitter, what would their usernames be? And what, pray tell, would they post about??
Posted May 17, 2010 @ 4:21 PM
Grandpa would flirt with the ladies and extoll the pleasures of the recipe.
Elisabeth would be boring. Mary Ellen would alternate between whining and complaining and being all "me! me! me!", or a combination of both. (But, how do I really feel about these characters?) ;-)
I don't know about the rest yet.
Posted May 17, 2010 @ 5:36 PM
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Posted May 21, 2010 @ 6:03 AM
Actually, I could see Corabeth twittering:"Mr Godsey and I just rearranged the canned goods by height and popularity".
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