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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 4:02 PM

There's absolutely no way I can watch Flay vs. Sakai but Alton Brown is a commentator -- need there be any other inducement to watch?

http://www.foodnetwo...6_19048,00.html

My big question is: will Shatner be puffing up his sleeves for this one? I can't tell.

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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 4:11 PM

I still have PTSD flashbacks over the Iron Chef USA debacle, but since Alton Brown is in the mix it shouldn't be too bad.

Count me as another who refuses to watch Flay vs. Sakai. Just thinking about what a crybaby Flay was at the NY Battle is enough to get my blood pressure up. Too bad the electrocution didn't take.
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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 4:26 PM

My big question is: will Shatner be puffing up his sleeves for this one? I can't tell.

I'm assuming The Shat isn't involved in this one, since it's Iron Chef America and not Iron Chef USA. Surely we would have seen him in some promos, right?

With Alton Brown as a commentator, I'm so there for this show. I just really wish Flay vs. Sakai weren't the first episode. I watched the NY Battle a couple of nights ago, and just hated Flay so much. I giggled maliciously when he was standing in that puddle of water and got shocked. I'm just sorry I missed the part where he cut himself.
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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 4:34 PM

I've been lucky not to see the NY one, but I saw the Japan re-match in which he won and STOOD ON THE FUCKING COUNTERTOP AGAIN! I hate that man so much!

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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 4:39 PM

I cannot watch Bobby Flay, either; he gives me flu-like symptoms. So this is a real quandary for me, because I love AB and am curious what kind of tone he'll set for the show since he is a chef and he takes cooking seriously. Not like the Shatner Iron Chef debacle.

{{{{{eeeewww}}}}} Right now I'm even replaying the Hot Off The Grill theme song..."YEAH! YEAH! YEAH!" <cringes>
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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 7:25 PM

he won and STOOD ON THE FUCKING COUNTERTOP AGAIN!

Gah, what is with him? In the NY Battle, Morimoto went off on how Flay isn't a real chef because he stood on the cutting board, and real chefs respect their equipment. Ha!

OK, I'm still going to watch Flay vs. Sakai, but I'm going to be shouting at the TV a lot. It may call for some hard drinkin'.
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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 8:31 PM

In the NY Battle, Morimoto went off on how Flay isn't a real chef because he stood on the cutting board, and real chefs respect their equipment. Ha!


Right, and it was because of the cutting board comment that, in Japan, he threw the cutting board on the floor and then jumped on the countertop and did his little Dance of the Asshole. He seemed to think this was better than just jumping on the cutting board.

According to the commentators, it really wasn't, and I agree.

Hard drinkin'? Heeeel yeah! Some serious sake sippin'!

Edited by keckler, Apr 21, 2004 @ 8:32 PM.


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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 8:32 PM

I'd like to know why there's no Emeril for this. Not that I'm a fan of his, but why Wolfgang, Mario, and NOT him? Heck, I'd take Tyler Florence over Flay. (Provided, Tyler cuts out his "Food 911" schtick of practically making out with his guest(s).)

Edited by Largo, Apr 21, 2004 @ 8:45 PM.

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Posted Apr 21, 2004 @ 8:34 PM

I'd bet Emeril was asked and he didn't really want to be a part of any of it.

Not that I think he's a snob, I just think he'd rather grandstand in his own kitchen-stadium, on his own terms.

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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 7:31 AM

(Provided, Tyler cuts out his "Food 911" schtick of practically making out with his guest(s).)

Thank you! THat bugs the living crap out of me. Flirting is cool, but flirting like a dog in heat makes my stomach turn.

Back to the topic: Does anyone know what happened to the episode that they filmed when AB collapsed on set? Did they have to re-start it? or did they just finish it with a voice over?
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 9:32 AM

I giggled maliciously when he was standing in that puddle of water and got shocked.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one. The slow-motion replay was priceless.

He seemed to think this was better than just jumping on the cutting board.

Y'know, it's as if he goes out of his way to be an asshat. The first time was repulsive. The second time completely boggled my mind. I'm curious to see if he pulls that shit for a third time tomorrow night. Someone mentioned elsewhere that Flay would be paired with Morimoto in the team competition. That sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 9:34 AM

Someone mentioned elsewhere that Flay would be paired with Morimoto in the team competition. That sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Surely that will have to end with Morimoto bitch-slapping Flay.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 9:37 AM

So who are the permanent on-camera staff for this? As far as official announcements go, they're playing this very close to the vest.

Alton Brown is Doc Hattori.
They've cast a Chairman Kaga and talked about him a bit.
But who's Fukui-san? Who's Ota?
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 10:58 AM

I don't who will be in the Fukui-san and Ohta roles, but they can't possibly be worse than who we got in the Iron Chef USA series.

It will also be interesting to see what kinds of eccentricities, if any, this new "Kaga" will display.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 12:42 PM

Well, I have to watch Flay vs. Sakai, just to see Sakai kick his untalented ass from one side of Kitchen Stadium to the other.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 12:58 PM

I keep thinking how much I'd like to see a really good female chef compete, but I can't think of anyone on Food Network who'd be appropriate. There has to be someone. TFN really needs a cocky, kick-ass, non-asshole female chef.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 2:26 PM

I guess I'm the only Bobby Flay supporter here. I like him because his website used to have a section to ask him questions and he was very nice and "real" when answering the questions and was always joking around and seemed to enjoy conversing with the people asking him questions. He said on his website in response to a question that the Japanese producers asked him to play up the ugly American stereotype.

I wouldn't call Bobby untalented either. Just last year William Grimes from the the New York Times gave Bobby's restaurant Bolo 3 stars. I guess I just feel Bobby's getting a somewhat undeserved bad rap.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 2:36 PM

I don't care for his show, and his personality grates on me, but that Iron Chef business, with the jumping on the counter, etc., struck me as staged from the get-go. I can absolutely believe he was playing along for the show. I mean, let's face it, Iron Chef is The Food Network's professional wrestling.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 3:30 PM

It may be "show-business", but I'm not sure it's professional wrestling.

The real problem is that to win in the spirit of IC; the chef has to be a cook, not an impressario. Flay, Puck and LaGasse are showman first, the food just keeps their hands busy. That was one of the reasons that Rocco-famewhore failed to impress. I do think that of the three American challengers, only Mario has a real feel for food-as-food. (Hopefully Alton will cut any inflated ego attempts down-to-size with a pithy, cutting slice.)

It's a shame that they couldn't have true challengers who were cooks-first. The Japanese IC had some great challengers who weren't just main-line executive chefs, but really down-in-the-trenches cooks. I still remember the chef who just had a pushcart. And the sushi-chef with only 6(?) stools at his bar. They were craftsmen and artists.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 3:46 PM

Flay may be a jerk (I've never liked any of his shows) but he IS a talented chef. Very good food at his restaurants.

Some of the best meals I've had have been at Rocco's other restaurant, Union Pacific. He's a very inventive chef. Can't imagine why he felt the need to open a restaurant with a boring menu.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 4:44 PM

Yeah, I think Flay is a total jerk, but I have to admit that the food he cooked on the Flay v. Morimoto re-match looked excellent, and I think he deserved the win. And while I'm used to think of all of these guys as just TV chefs and not "real" chefs, they all started as very successful restauranteurs before becoming useless hacks.

Still, I do wish they had made an effort to find some less television-oriented folks to represent the U.S. side.

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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 5:00 PM

Still, I do wish they had made an effort to find some less television-oriented folks to represent the U.S. side.

Really! I mean, in the original series how much of the challengers' personalities do we remember? Me?, none. Even the Iron Chefs ain't all that for personality (IC Chinese seems the most likable). What made the show entertaining was how they presented the cooking competition itself, not the chefs with their bells and whistles. And if the producers don't have the originality or insight into everything that can make a competitive food challenge interesting, maybe they shouldn't be doing this show in the first place. Of course, I haven't seen the show yet...but still!
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 8:16 PM

I'm dreading their choice of Key Ingredient;

....microwave popcorn? ...Velveeta? ...Lipton Onion Soup and Dip Mix? ...those little packets of Ketchup?

Now, Kraft Dinner (mac and cheese) might be a nice challenge.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 8:39 PM

microwave popcorn? ...Velveeta? ...Lipton Onion Soup and Dip Mix? ...those little packets of Ketchup?

Now, Kraft Dinner (mac and cheese)


I didn't know Sandra Lee was competing.....
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 8:43 PM

I didn't know Sandra Lee was competing.....

Tinfoil Chef! Now that I wouldn't miss for the world!
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 9:15 PM

Back to the topic: Does anyone know what happened to the episode that they filmed when AB collapsed on set? Did they have to re-start it? or did they just finish it with a voice over?


When did AB collapse on the set? What happened?

I can't really speak to Flay's "talent" having never eaten at any of his restaurants, but my friends have been sorely disappointed at Bolo. It's his personality that keeps me from wanting to watch his shows to learn anything him. Ditto for Tyler, but I can't wait to see Batali in action.

Edited by keckler, Apr 22, 2004 @ 9:17 PM.


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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 10:51 PM

keckler this is from AB's page.

the rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated.

Yesn (sic) on Thursday afternoon I was rushed from the set of Iron Chef America: Battle of the Masters to St. Johnís in beautiful Santa Monica California. Yes, it was my heart but I did not have a heart attack. Apparently stress, fatigue and dehydration following a prolonged bout of vomiting brought on by a migraine threw my heart into arrhythmia. It took the docs about 8 hours to get my ticker back in the groove and they kept me overnight so that they could stick me with more needles and force me to eat hospital food but now Iím out and restingÖas much as I ever rest.....

So let's recap: I am not dead. I did not have a heart attack. In fact Iíve seen an ultrasound of my heart and it looks darned fine. I just gotta get a little more sleep and Iíve got to lay off those espressos. (March 5, 2004)


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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 10:54 PM

Please tell me that I'm not the only one who thinks that Mario looks like the Comic Book Guy on the Simpsons? Anyone? Okay, I guess I'm crazy then.
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Posted Apr 22, 2004 @ 10:55 PM

You're not the only one.

Thanks, PornQueen!

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Posted Apr 23, 2004 @ 12:15 AM

Not a problem, how's your eye?? Oh, and AB says his favorite food is....cheese. Thought you would appreciate that!
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