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Posted Mar 20, 2004 @ 9:17 PM

I hate Billy Packer with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns and a billion angry nuns.
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Posted Mar 20, 2004 @ 10:02 PM

You think YOUR brackets are shot, you oughta see mine. Had Gonzaga winning it all-- I now want Nevada to die horribly. A few hours later, had Stanford losing to said Gonzaga in the finals... damn you, Crimson Tide. My final round has completely vanished and I'm not even out of Day 3 yet.

Topic? Love how they cut away from games in the final minutes to go to games in the first few minutes of the second half. Like how they cut off my Nevada/Gonzaga coverage in the final few minutes to give me Manhattan/Wake Forest. You suck, local affiliates.
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Posted Mar 20, 2004 @ 10:21 PM

I hate Billy Packer with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns and a billion angry nuns.


AMEN. That's why I turn down the volume and listen to the radio broadcast.
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 @ 1:53 PM

Topic? Love how they cut away from games in the final minutes to go to games in the first few minutes of the second half. Like how they cut off my Nevada/Gonzaga coverage in the final few minutes to give me Manhattan/Wake Forest. You suck, local affiliates.

In all fairness to CBS, the Zags were going down in flames by that point. It was painful to watch. And much as I wanted to pull it out to save my bracket, I just couldn't bear to watch anymore. I'm glad they switched us over to end the misery. Gonzaga showed that maybe it's correct to believe that they will never be a major powerhouse contender.

I've only had Directv for about a year. Is it possible somehow to get local channels of other regions? I'm not sure what package you would need to get for that. Because I'd really love to be able to watch the games I want and not the stupid ones that CBS considers to be my region.
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 @ 3:26 PM

Stanfurd R DED!!! I don't care about my bracket anymore, it's all about the HATE and schadenfreude. Bob Ryan and I agree, too many white guys on that team, LOL.

Seriously, the only bad thing about the 'Furd's loss is that, combined with Arizona, Washington, and Gonzaga going down, it "justifies" the East Coast bias. or more specifically, Dick Vitale's Duke fetish. I'm rooting for UOP now.
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 @ 4:49 PM

I want to know what kind of map they were looking at that the winners of the games in Denver today go to the SOUTHEAST regional in Atlanta next week?


They don't have 'Regions' anymore. A couple of years ago, they stopped sending teams to the designated site for their region and went to a system where each four-team 'pod' went pretty much to whichever site was closest to the highest-seeded team. I guess they figured people wouldn't show up to the games unless there was a local team, which is kinda stupid but...hey, it's the NCAA. I think it was a response to 2001, when three D.C.-area teams (Maryland, Georgetown and George Mason) were sent out to Boise for their opening-round games. In any event, this year they just went ahead and did away with the entire concept of regions.

Topic? It's time for Dick Enberg to hang it up. Actually, it's way past time for Dick Enberg to hang it up.
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 @ 9:01 PM

Well, really what they did was rename the regions. They still try and match teams up to regional sites, but it's slightly harder with pods in there.

Oh, and in addition to Gonzaga and Stanford in my Final 4? Also has Mississippi St. My bracket is even deader.
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Posted Mar 22, 2004 @ 5:20 AM

Let's Go St. Joe! I wonder what Billy "Fudge" Packer has to say now that so many "more deserving" #1 & #2 seeds are going to be home watching the rest of the tournament on tv.

It looks like Packer will be doing the St. Joe/Wake Forrest game. How the hell does this game get a 10pm EST start time?
http://www.philly.co...nia/8246261.htm

Edited by cheesesteak, Mar 22, 2004 @ 8:16 AM.

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Posted Mar 22, 2004 @ 2:09 PM

nothing to see

Edited by Tarheel, Apr 28, 2005 @ 8:14 PM.

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Posted Mar 22, 2004 @ 3:38 PM

I'm happy to report that I still have 3 final four teams still in my bracket, including my championship game combatants Oak State and UConn (along w/ Duke). Kentucky's my only FF team knocked out. Yeah, I know I went with the chalk, but those 1 and 2 seeds seemed head-and-shoulders above everybody else, at least in my eyes. Picking between Pitt and Oak State was hellish, though. Whoever wins that game's coming out of that region.

St. Joe's got about the best draw they could possibly have had, not facing any particularly big teams or teams with a stud wing player (Emmett's more of a shooting guard - yeah, he can slash, but he's only a generous 6'5") until possibly the Elite Eight. Their guard play will keep them in any game, but getting pounded on the boards game after game eventually catches up with you in the tourney, when the game slows down and you get fewer possessions.

I don't know anybody on the face of the planet who likes Billy Fudge. Seriously. He's the most unapologetically hard-headed, borderline-senile man on televised sports. I can't stand him.

Seriously, where were the slow-mo shots of the scrubs on an underdog team all jumping up off the bench after a big play? Don't tell me the kids never did that - show it to us, CBS! It's an NCAA tourney tradition!

And I just have to add, my buddy Jeff said, after our roughly 780th viewing of that goddamn Cialis commercial Friday night: "Four-hour erections, though rare ... are AWESOME." God bless him...
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Posted Mar 22, 2004 @ 8:36 PM

I don't care who wins as long as it isn't dook. Hate dook and everything related to dook more than I hate Billy Packer and that says a lot.
Syracuse has that one player who made me cry 'cause of the story CBS told about him and about senior day and him not having parents there (I don't know why, maybe they are dead I don't know) and so the whole team walked out there with him and he got a standing ovation. And I cried.
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Posted Mar 22, 2004 @ 10:07 PM

Can I just say that it took me a lot of fucks, a couple of days and a few very deep breaths to be able to face this forum again.

Goddamnit!!!!!!!! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fucking Stanford. I'm so upset. Not only did I scream "Fuck!!!" at the top of my lungs for a good two hours, non stop. I actually just closed myself up in my darkened room for the weekend and didn't read any papers or websites that might mention the defeat. My housemates and relatives were scared because they know how bad this is. Niners vs. Cowboys bad. Niners vs. Green Bay bad. Fuck. Then End.

And considering that I had a Kentucky/ Stanford Final I'm completely Fucked. I guess this is what I get for going 11-0 in the NFL playoffs. How fucked up is it that I made no money on that? Fuck. Fuck. Fuckity.

Fuck.

Good luck Stanford Women (6th seed, EST 11 pm). I actually went to your games, whatever that matters.

Fuck.

And for all the complaining about the Stanford Men being seeded the 3rd number 1 seed, can I complain about the Stanford Women's seed for a moment? Ranked 10th in the ESPN/USAToday Coaches Poll and ranked 6th in the Midwest What The Fuck?

Fuck.
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Posted Mar 23, 2004 @ 2:49 AM

So, why are so many of the top-seeded women's games in hostile courts? Thank goodness BC defied the advantage. Go Eagles.
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Posted Mar 23, 2004 @ 5:00 AM

There were so many "fucks" in Pokey Camp's post that I thought I was reading the screen play for HBO's new Deadwood show. :)

I don't think anybody here in Philadelphia expects St. Joe to win it all or even make the Final Four. It's just a really nice Cinderella story for a bunch of nice kids, a nice school and a cool coach. I just hope that when/if they lose it's not like the annhilation that Magic Johnson & Michigan State slapped on my Penn Quakers in the 1981(?) Final Four. I think the score of that game was something like 372 - 58. At halftime.
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Posted Mar 23, 2004 @ 4:00 PM

It was '79, cheesesteak. And I'm 95% sure Magic and Kelser and MSU were up 50-17 at halftime...
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Posted Mar 23, 2004 @ 5:20 PM

There were so many "fucks" in Pokey Camp's post that I thought I was reading the screen play for HBO's new Deadwood show. :)


That's pretty funny because as I was reading it, I was thinking "I didn't know Nate Fisher was a basketball fan". Close enough?

Syracuse has that one player who made me cry 'cause of the story CBS told about him and about senior day and him not having parents there (I don't know why, maybe they are dead I don't know) and so the whole team walked out there with him and he got a standing ovation. And I cried.


VeronicaNC, that's Jeremy McNeil. His Mom died last year and when we (see my nickname) won, he didn't really participate in the celebration on-court, said he was thinking about his Mom. He's from San Antonio and the rest of his family couldn't afford the trip to 'Cuse for Senior Day. It would be incredibly cool to send him home to San Anton' for the Final Four...

It looks like Packer will be doing the St. Joe/Wake Forrest game. How the hell does this game get a 10pm EST start time?


cheesesteak, that's cbs's controversy-filled national game dontchaknow. It must go out live to the West Coast when people are home. Besides, the NY market must have UConn early. It's all about ratings. Now the question is, will WCBS in NY switch to the St. Joe's/Wake game or stay with Syracuse/Alabama and save me from running to the computer and the radio feed like I had to 20 times on Saturday?
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Posted Mar 24, 2004 @ 2:25 PM

Niners vs. Green Bay bad.

Eeep! That is bad.
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Posted Mar 24, 2004 @ 10:10 PM

Just to be contrarian, I will say it loud and proud. I like Billy Packer. Sometimes he is a crotchety old man, he thinks that any contact is a foul, but he knows the game and he explains it well. (at least to me)
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Posted Mar 25, 2004 @ 7:22 AM

Billy Packer has always struck me as an unabashed shill for the ACC. He never bothered me though, until he dissed St. Joe's and that had 98% to do with hometown pride and 2% dislike of Packer. It should be a good game tonight. Hopefully the Martelli/Packer brouhaha will take up .00001% of the coverage. I didn't go to St. Joe's University but I did go to high school at St. Joe's Prep so I've got some Hawk in me.
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Posted Mar 25, 2004 @ 12:39 PM

Sometimes he is a crotchety old man, he thinks that any contact is a foul, but he knows the game and he explains it well.


To paraphrase a certain Lionel Hutz, Attorney at Law, that's exactly it, except change "sometimes" to "always," "man" to "bastard," and "explains it well" to "never admits he's wrong."

And yes, he's a total shill for the ACC and, to a lesser extent, the Big East. If you're from the Big Ten or Big Twelve, you might as well not even exist. I'm fairly certain he doesn't even know the Pac-10 exists. I absolutely loathe the man, and have for years. Every year I turn on the Final Four, hoping CBS has come to their senses and removed the Nantz/Packer team and replaced them with a McDonough/Raftery/Bilas package. Then I hear Packer's voice, my eye starts twitching, and I involuntarily start rubbing my temples...
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Posted Mar 25, 2004 @ 11:45 PM

I'm a little puzzled why a guy who's paid to have opinions is taking so much shit for having an opinion.

Roll Tide, BTW. Bye bye, Orangemen. Southern Illinois and Stanford are saving seats on the bus.
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Posted Mar 26, 2004 @ 1:14 PM

I think it's because he picked on Cinderella - said she had a big nose, a fat ass and should have come to the big dance in a cab instead of a limo. Everybody was happy for the little guy except him and he went out of his way to let people know it.

He took a little heat but it could always be worse. If he were a political pundit he'd be called a lot worse a lot more times.
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Posted Mar 26, 2004 @ 4:37 PM

I'm a little puzzled why a guy who's paid to have opinions is taking so much shit for having an opinion.


I'm not so sure I would even say he IS paid to "have an opinion," specifically. It's not like he's Rush Limbaugh on Gameday or anything. I would think he is (or at least, in theory, is) paid to analyze the play of the teams during games and make occasional predictions in little pre-show things. Predictions I don't really give a damn about - everyone makes them, and I don't blame him for thinking St. Joe's wasn't that good. Quite simply, going into the tournament, they hadn't beaten anyone who was particularly good. But during games ... ugh, I can't stand the man. He gets things wrong, makes judgments on people and teams, provides little-to-no genuine insight, is crotchety to the point of being insufferable, and, to top it all off, carries an "I'm so much smarter than you" vibe with everything he says.

Edited by j32master, Mar 26, 2004 @ 4:38 PM.

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Posted Mar 27, 2004 @ 5:12 AM

Billy Packer stirs in me what a lot of people feel for Eminem. I think he's a blowhard, a misogynist (he despises the women's game) and I hear he treats the gameday staff at the games (ushers, concessions, PR) horribly; he's the kind of guy who won't wear his badge because he thinks everybody's supposed to know who the fuck he is. That said, I love how he breaks down a game. I see a guy who's able to extract many things from a play. Many of that is speculation, granted, but I too often hear analysts who can't make heads or tails of what is going on right in front of them, let alone see the forest for the trees and give viewers insight into plays or strategies. (By the way, I think he may have bent a little too backwards in praising St. Joesph's win over his alma mater. The bad part of me wishes he and Martelli would've kept up the feud and Packer would be so biased during his analysis the media watchdogs would be calling for his head.)

Jim Nantz -- now, he bugs me. Does he still have that stupid tic where, at the end of the championship game he says some sort of punny epigraph? The one that irritates me the most is the one from the PGA Championship a few years back. Vijay Singh makes the putt and Nantz says, "Today is Vijay Day!" Shut up!

The man who can rival Billy "Fudge" Packer is Clark Kellogg. Don't know how he would analyze on the fly along the sidelines, but he's a fantastic studio color man and I think his commentary is precise and informative. Seth Davis too, although he's often overshadowed by Kellogg. And look at the four teams asked by CBS to cover the second weekend of the tournament: Nantz/Packer, Verne Lundquist/Bill Raftery, Dick Enberg/Matt Goukas, and ... Gus Johnson/Len Elmore. Gus Johnson, iin particular, never seems to pop up on my TV screen except the tournament, and him being the fourth play-by-play guy always sticks out to me, year after year. Not complaining, I think he's solid.

But you know what's the best part about CBS' coverage of the tournament? The graphics. No, seriously! Look at them this weekend. Notice how many of the graphics "spin" whenever they pop in or out of the screen, and when they change stats. They don't disappear, they just ... roll. It makes it seem not only like they're three-dimensional, but that they breathe. And remember: CBS' logo is the Eye, and the circular motion mimics its perimeter. A consistent yet subtle and elegant way of reinforcing the brand. Simply brilliant.
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Posted Mar 27, 2004 @ 10:37 AM

It's easy enough to criticize Packer, but to me the announcer who. must. retire. NOW. is Verne Lundquist. It was bad enough that he repeatedly mis-pronounced Sammy Mejia's name throughout the DePaul-Dayton game, but last night, at least three times in the span of two minutes, he told us that Luol Deng is from the Central African Republic. Thanks for the great insight, Verne.

And surely there must be some sort of medication side-kick Raftery can take for his Tourette's?
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Posted Mar 27, 2004 @ 3:54 PM

And surely there must be some sort of medication side-kick Raftery can take for his Tourette's?


With a kiss!

Raftery freaks me out big time.
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Posted Mar 27, 2004 @ 6:34 PM

I'm watching the UConn game and I'm hoping I'm wrong but did one of the announcers call one of the players "not bright?"
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Posted Mar 27, 2004 @ 11:49 PM

Woo hoo for Oklahoma State's win over St. Joseph. Although I was rooting for the Cowboys, it seem so sad St. Joe lost especially after all the crap they took about how they shouldn't be #1.
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Posted Mar 28, 2004 @ 2:54 AM

If anyone saw the Maui invitational this year, McDonough and Bilas were getting on Raftery about his drinking habits. Personally, I like Raftery.

Also, I agree that maybe Endberg should retire, but he's one of my all time favorites. What I like most about him is that he doesn't root. You can never tell who's the underdog or who the network wants to win when he calls the game.
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Posted Mar 28, 2004 @ 7:04 AM

When watching Billy Packer I have noticed that when he likes a team he gets so excited when they score. When the other team scores then it ok they scored a basket but did you see the play at the other end.
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