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Posted Mar 16, 2004 @ 3:34 AM

Don't know that there's much to say, aside from laughing my head off during the Men's selection show when Greg Gumbel read one region and the director used the wrong graphics, or when I looked at ESPN's cheesy simulcast, and realized that they were getting the sites mixed up.
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Posted Mar 16, 2004 @ 8:31 AM

Billy Packer can kiss my ass too! :)

Edited by cheesesteak, Mar 16, 2004 @ 8:31 AM.

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Posted Mar 16, 2004 @ 12:36 PM

I laughed, too, cutecouple. After all the build-up for the selection show, all the bells and whistles they were obviously so proud of -- whoops!

I have to add that I think I might pick Martelli in the Packer-Martelli bracket. I dunno; I know Packer is a scrapper and a fighter, but those Philly guys...

Glad to hear, yesterday on the radio, that Len Elmore will be doing some work for CBS throughout the tourney: good pipes, good insight, and a general calming presence that I appreciate. Now, as long as I can get regular fixes of Jay Bilas as well, I'll be a happy brackethead.
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Posted Mar 16, 2004 @ 3:23 PM

Billy Packer is a jerk. St. Joes deserves a number 1 seed as much as Stanford does. I don't understand how one loss in a conference tournement should negate a perfect season. Stanford would have had three losses this season if not for some 4th quarter heroics. Saint Joes beat most of their competion by a wide margin.
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Posted Mar 16, 2004 @ 4:26 PM

St. Joe's barely beat Rhode Island and Old Dominion, so they didn't exactly cruise to a perfect regular season.

I don't have a problem with them being a 1 seed, and you'll get no argument from me on the Billy-Packer-is-a-jerk thing, but he's paid to have an opinion and express it. And Martelli oughta be enough of a professional (hell, enough of an adult) to not get bent out of shape about it.

Edited by GooberPyle, Mar 16, 2004 @ 4:28 PM.

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Posted Mar 16, 2004 @ 6:21 PM

Is it just a given that everyone hates Vitale and wishes he would shut the fuck up? Living in the UK I get to see very, very little of him and it's way, way too much.

Edited by Richyyy, Mar 16, 2004 @ 6:23 PM.

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Posted Mar 16, 2004 @ 7:24 PM

Hell, over here I get gobs of him, and I think he's a troll.

As for the bracket griping, I as a Wisconsin resident who saw the Badgers (and the entire Big Ten, for that matter) get shafted with a 5 for Illinois and a 6 for the people who had just beaten them 30 minutes before the selection show (when they both should have been top-4's), absolutely LOVE how the only griping is how Pittsburgh-- who is in the Wisconsin pod-- was the one who got screwed the most, with a 3 seed and having to play Wisconsin in Milwaukee. I actually think Pitt's 3 seed is correct. And there's very little talk of my OTHER gripes (for example, the idiot Selection Committee failing to even care about the Big 10 and Big 12 championship games). But I digress.

As for the actual Selection Show, the regional mix-up, loved it. Laughed my ass off, which was bad because I was trying to write down the teams so I could fill out my bracket. I needed shots of the 8 teams who were displayed at that point, who had the suspense taken completely away. I think it was Virginia Commonwealth that they eventually cut to, and they had clearly already done their cheering and just clapped for the camera.

After that, went over to the Bracketology special on ESPN. I realized that night how Andy Katz and Dick Vitale and everybody became experts: They play it safe and take the chalk. Every matchup. They only even attempted to reach on Manhattan over Florida and Western Michigan over Vanderbilt. And Manhattan only because they needed a 12 over a 5. Here I sat with an Air Force-Princeton second round game and I'm hearing these dipshits play it safe on 7-10 games. Then I found America as a whole brackets even chalkier than the experts, and flips a coin when it gets down to the Final 4 and same-seed games. I from today forward will no longer listen to the experts on picking games as any more than polite suggestions.

Edited by mtvcdm, Mar 16, 2004 @ 7:26 PM.

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Posted Mar 17, 2004 @ 7:21 AM

Richyyy, ITA on Vitale. One of the main reasons I can't stand to watch Duke/UNC games is listening to Vitale go on a 2-hour continuous orgasm. Thank God the NCAA tourney is on See-BS so I don't have to hear him.

Also, according to a theory proposed by Mike Wilbon on PTI, the reason they change the names of the regions to the cities instead of East/West/whatever, is that they may sell corporate naming rights to the regions. Wilbon proposed that they would change them to the "Cialis", "Enzyte", "Levitra" and "Viagra" regions. I'm hoping he's wrong on that, but we've already got the FedEx Orange Bowl, the Tositos Fiesta Bowl and the Nokia Sugar Bowl. But it's still a crime against humanity for the athletes who bring this corporate $$ to see a penny from it.
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Posted Mar 17, 2004 @ 7:41 AM

I have two contrasting opinions on Dick Vitale:

1) I hate him in the broadcast booth. "He's a PTP'er!!!! A Diaper Dandy!!!"
2) He's one of the things that's right about college basketball. It's all about fun. Dick Vitale is college basketball's biggest advocate and one of its biggest assets. The colege kids love him.

I like Wilbon's region names predictions. You just know one of those companies is going to be a bowl game sponsor in a couple of years.

In my opionion, the NCAA Selection Committee sees the conference tournaments correctly. They're nothing more than money grabs. They treat a good showing in the conference tournament like extra credit - you might move up a seeding slot or two if you're a middle of the pack team and you perform very well but teams that have had great regular seasons don't get penalized if they have one crappy game in their tournament.

Edited by cheesesteak, Mar 17, 2004 @ 7:48 AM.

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Posted Mar 17, 2004 @ 3:27 PM

In my opionion, the NCAA Selection Committee sees the conference tournaments correctly. They're nothing more than money grabs. They treat a good showing in the conference tournament like extra credit - you might move up a seeding slot or two if you're a middle of the pack team and you perform very well but teams that have had great regular seasons don't get penalized if they have one crappy game in their tournament.

This whole idea that the Selection Committee doesn't care about them may be true, but then that introduces a serious flaw into the concept. Use the Big Ten as the example. Illinois wins Big Ten regular season, but Wisconsin beats Michigan St twice in regular season and in tournament. Wisconsin splits with Illinois (somewhat close in IL, but destroyed IL in Madison) and handily beats them in Big Ten Championship. Reason IL is 4 and WI is 6 is because they didn't see the game.

Ok, smartasses, are you saying you DIDN'T watch the game simply because there were 2 teams you knew were going in (and had pre-determined who was seeded where) or COULDN'T watch the game because of the time? If it's the former, that's absurd because that game clearly (although in my somewhat biased opinion) showed that WI is a better team than IL. If it's the former, they are absolutely full of shit. What would have happened if Northwestern and Michigan had been in the Championship game and NW won? Then what the FUCK do you do? Hmm?

As far as Pitt's complaint, the thing that pissed me off about Jay Bilas and others bringing this up is Bilas went on to say, not two sentences later, "this reminds me of when Syracuse got to play in Albany last year for the first two rounds." Ok, so you know what? This happens every year. What do they suggest? Send WI to Spokane just so Pitt doesn't have to play us at home? Christ, you know what? If they're so damn good to get a 3, tell 'em to bring it. They should be able to beat a 6 anywhere, right? Except, not--because no way WI is a 6.

It's a whole lot better than BCS, though!
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Posted Mar 17, 2004 @ 4:55 PM

Tornado25, I can see that your Badger opinion is clearly biased, but I do understand your anger with the selection committee. It's happened to all of our college teams at some point in the past years. But that's what the selection committee does - they seed teams based on their perceived strength and how well they think they will do in the tournament.

While Wisconsin did beat Illinois quite handily in the Big 10 tournament, Illinois showed that over the course of a conference season, they are clearly the better team suited for the tourney. They have quality road wins - an extremely important factor in determining the strength of a team. They have explosive offensive potential and they have the size inside to deal with just about anybody. I don't feel Illinois was deserving of a 5 - I think they definitely deserved a 4. But there's no use griping about it - everyone else in the country can make an argument for why their team should be seeded higher.

As far as Wisconsin playing in Milwaukee and Syracuse last year in Albany, yes, it does happen. But is it fair? Of course not. Why should Pitt have to prove they deserve the #3 seed by having to beat Wisconsin in essentially their home court? Shouldn't it be the other way around? If this home advantage type scheduling is going to benefit a team, I think that it should be the team with the higher seed that has the advantage. After all, don't they deserve it after playing well in the regular season to earn the higher seed?

On a more tv-related note, I am SO happy that CBS has decided to forego the 10-second delay. What were they worried about? That some Stanford engineering fan will be wearing an expletive laden t-shirt? That all of the Florida cheerleaders will suddenly simultaneously lift their tops? That a 7-footer will show everyone that the rumor about big feet is true? I've always liked Janet Jackson, but the crap that she's caused in the entire tv entertainment industry is ridiculous. Although I'm sure it wasn't her intention with Boobgate, Janet Jackson and stupid Justin have made a permanent imprint in tv history. Live tv will never be the same.
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Posted Mar 17, 2004 @ 6:41 PM

A ten-second delay on basketball would have been absolutely absurd. When I heard about it I had visions of some guy on the phone to his buddy at the arena from a bar, shouting out to everyone what's going to happen in the final seconds of a game just before it happened. Just stupid.

Slightly OT I know, but can anyone tell me what the general feeling among the 'experts' (I use the term loosely) is on whether Luol Deng will enter the NBA draft or stay at Duke at least another year? I love the guy (seeing as he's English-ish), but from what I've seen I think he'd definitely benefit from another year in school.
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Posted Mar 18, 2004 @ 12:41 AM

Did CBS change the theme music for the tournament? It sounded different in the selection show. I hope they didn't because the current one is timeless.

I have Gonzaga, Pitt, Duke, and Stanford in the Final 4 with Pitt beating Duke for the title.
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Posted Mar 18, 2004 @ 12:52 PM

LakersSuck: I wish you were in my husband's office pool!
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Posted Mar 18, 2004 @ 3:29 PM

They have quality road wins - an extremely important factor in determining the strength of a team.

You're absolutely right. Wisconsin does not have a lot of BIG wins on the road, but they did go .500 on the road and from anyone I've talked to, in any sport--if you go .500 on the road and take care of business at home, you're golden.

As far as Wisconsin playing in Milwaukee and Syracuse last year in Albany, yes, it does happen. But is it fair? Of course not. Why should Pitt have to prove they deserve the #3 seed by having to beat Wisconsin in essentially their home court? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

To keep this reasonably on topic, my big beef was with the Selection Shows handling of this: "Pitt got screwed, blah blah blah, it's the greatest travesty of all time." Ok, fine. But then, to go on and talk about Syracuse last year, it sort of weakens the point. Pitt didn't get screwed--it happens every year. My point about the 3 proving their worth is just that: In the face of disadvantage, a team can prove they are better by proving it. My boss had a good point on this: If Pitt loses, they will complain it was because it was in Milwaukee. If Wisconsin loses, they will complain because we were seeded too low and shouldn't have met a 3 in the 2nd round. Pitt winning soundly on Sunday would prove they are legit (and should have gotten a higher seed everyone says they should have gotten). If not, they probably aren't go enough to go far anyway.
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Posted Mar 18, 2004 @ 8:49 PM

Milwaukee, you as a market suck. I'm watching Alabama-Southern Illinois, an 8-9 game, sweating it out because it really eats you up when close seeds meet and you have a bracket going (damn Crimson Tide), but all of a sudden Bryant Gumbel breaks in saying that they're taking me to Liberty-St. Joseph's, a 1-16, and I'm sitting here going "NOOOO!" Because besides an 8-9 being infinitely more entertaining, Southern Illinois is the closest of the 4 involved schools to my home.

Then I remembered that I live within both the Milwaukee and Madison markets, and saw that Madison had enough brains to stay with the Salukis. So that turned out okay, except for Southern Illinois losing and me screaming my lungs hoarse. But still, if you're Milwaukee, and you have 2 games to pick from-- the closest schools in each game being from Illinois and Pennsylvania-- I'd pick the Illinois game. I don't get it.
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Posted Mar 18, 2004 @ 9:25 PM

Do the radio broadcasts also have a 5 second delay? The television and radio broadcasts were in synch and I was wondering if CBS actually did the delay.
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Posted Mar 18, 2004 @ 11:56 PM

Reason IL is 4 and WI is 6 is because they didn't see the game.


There's also Oklahoma State, which committee members all but admitted would have been considered for a #1 if they had waited for the Big XII title game before seeding them.

While the college game is fun, do we really need the announcers telling us how great it is every 5 seconds? I don't mind a little waxing eloquent once in a while, but they should borrow a page from the NFL and let the product speak for itself. Enthusiasm is good in an announcer, but Vitale in particular just goes too far. (And if he loves Mike Krzyzewski so much, why doesn't he just go marry him or something?)
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Posted Mar 19, 2004 @ 1:21 AM

There's also Oklahoma State, which committee members all but admitted would have been considered for a #1 if they had waited for the Big XII title game before seeding them.

ESPN Radio's Game Night had the men's committee chair on the other day and he flat out admitted it, which I thought was refreshing. Especially since his interview followed the women's committee chair who danced around the bullshit that is UConn getting home cooking all the way to the Final Four. "Oh... they just happened to be the No. 2, No. 2. It's too bad for the 1 seed, but it really had nothing to do with selling tickets. Nope nothing at all." Bullshit.
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Posted Mar 19, 2004 @ 4:36 AM

I thought that in some markets, stations were taking polls on which games viewers would most like to see. At least, that's how it happened in Chicago last year.
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Posted Mar 19, 2004 @ 6:52 AM

Lakers Suck, I've got the same F4, but with OkState instead of Pitt & the Zags winning it all.

Quote from Prairie Fire:

If (Vitale) loves Mike Krzyzewski so much, why doesn't he just go marry him or something?


I'm sure that, if both men weren't married, and if they allowed gay marriage in NC, V would at least propose, but I'm not sure K would accept. As things are, we just have to settle for V's incessant stalking, fawning, and televised continuous orgasms over all things Dookie, errr, Duke-y.

Question: what would make for better TV: Martelli/Packer in a steel cage or Krzyzewski/Vitale in a motel room?
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Posted Mar 19, 2004 @ 6:58 AM

I am looking for comments from anyone in the WISH Indianapolis viewing area. What do you think about the multicasting on digital?
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Posted Mar 19, 2004 @ 11:16 AM

My F4 is OK State, Duke, UConn, and Kentucky with UConn beating Kentucky 72-65.

Damn Nevada... They're the only pick I got wrong.
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Posted Mar 19, 2004 @ 11:35 AM

I got screwed over by Manhattan and was also supporting the Salukis. Apart from that, my bracket is healthy enough.

Krzyzewski/Vitale in a motel room?


Just...ew.

I am slightly more out there and have Pitt, UConn, Cincinatti and Georgia Tech in my final 4, with Pitt beating UConn for the lot.
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Posted Mar 19, 2004 @ 6:27 PM

I'm also calling Pitt in the final! Although I have them against Stanford, and losing in the end. My other F4 slots go to UK and Miss. State. I filled out my brackets on St. Patrick's day under the influence of Guiness, so I had Arizona beating Duke. Aiee. Luckily the only thing bet was a massage, so I'm not too worried.
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Posted Mar 19, 2004 @ 11:01 PM

My bracket is in disrepair. Oh well, my bracket always goes to hell the first two days, and then I can forget about it, and just love the basketball for what it is.

CBS is drving me nuts, though. They never cut to a close game until there is like :30 left. Argh!!! Like last night, when they almost cut away from the Dayton-DePaul game while there were 6 seconds left, to go to the UNC game. (and while I'm a Tar Heel fan, at that point, even I wanted to watch the game going into OT). And today, the Utah-BC game was tight, and we were watching Ga. Tech beat Northern Iowa by 11. It's infuriating. And half of the time they cut away to show other games, they're on a timeout, and we never get to see anything.
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Posted Mar 20, 2004 @ 1:02 AM

You can tell the announcers are just exhausted by the end of the night game, especially those played on the east coast. With a minute left in the Washington-UAB game, Matt Goukas was getting the score wrong and said that Washington lost to "Seattle" in the PAC-10 conference tournament.

My brackets are in the shitter but I usually pick the cinderella Sweet 16 team right. Watch out for Pacific. UOP has won 18 straight and looked strong against Providence tonight.
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Posted Mar 20, 2004 @ 2:27 AM

I hate Dick Vitale with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns.
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Posted Mar 20, 2004 @ 11:27 AM

I want to know what kind of map they were looking at that the winners of the games in Denver today go to the SOUTHEAST regional in Atlanta next week?
I used to hate Dick Vitale, but he has been a great friend to a friend of mine who has had a rough year this past year, so now I have to like him.
So I guess --The friend of my friend is my friend. I am REALLY loyal to my friends.
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Posted Mar 20, 2004 @ 8:42 PM

ROLL TIDE!! See ya, Stanford.

I loved it when the announcer called Kennedy Winston "Winston Kennedy."
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