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Posted Mar 11, 2004 @ 12:07 PM

It was requested, so here it is.
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Posted Mar 11, 2004 @ 12:39 PM

I've wondered if anyone else has experienced this: I remember S1 vividly, as well as Outback. But even though I watched every season, I retained nothing of Tom's, Kathy's, Lex's (etc.) seasons.

Did it start sldfjljmmmemning together for anyone else?
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Posted Mar 11, 2004 @ 2:29 PM

Did it start sldfjljmmmemning together for anyone else?


Oh hell yes it did! I remember people, but really don't remember what season they were on or what team they were on with who. It's all just a big blur.
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Posted Mar 11, 2004 @ 5:56 PM

As I learned in my psychology class, this kind of thing happens a lot. The first couple of whatever it is are assigned "primary" spots in your memory, while the newer ones are assigned "recent" spots. Everything in the middle just fades.
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Posted Mar 11, 2004 @ 6:32 PM

Because I got all shirty about Survivor 1's enormous popularity I didn't see one second of it. But I figured I'd watch the first episode of Survivor Australia -- because I'd been to Australia and knew the scenery would be nice -- and by the time Tribal Council (or "Tribal" as they seem to call it now) came around I was totally, irrevocably hooked (damn you, MB!) and have missed only episode since. I know Africa came next, but I'll be switched if I could put the remaining seasons in the correct order or even name them all.
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Posted Mar 11, 2004 @ 8:40 PM

Hmm...

S1 has actually faded considerably from my memory. I couldn't even remember the very existence of Gretchen, and all I have of Joel is a single photo of him rowing.

S2, because of Evil Jerri and Eviler Tina, remains fresher in my mind.

Watching Lex get skinnier, scalier, and more bloodthirsty was what kept S3 cool for me. But yeah, there was a bit of "dull sameness" about it.

I only saw a couple half-episodes of S4 and S5. I only remember Sean's radio program, S5 John's spectacular first-boot, and Shii Ann. Nobody really talked about Survivor.

S6, I only saw the half episode when Christy was booted, and, well, although that's all I remembered, I had this feeling that the excitement was coming back.

Then there was S7. That felt right, felt fun, felt interesting. I'm going to remember that one.

So, although the first and the last remain in one's mind, I think it actually does have something to do with the relative strengths of each season.
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Posted Mar 12, 2004 @ 1:45 AM

I have strong memories of the first season, Marquesas, Amazon, Thailand and Pearl Islands. I have only vague recollections of Africa and Australia, even though a disproportionate number of ASS players (8 out of 18) come from those two seasons. I remember the players very well, but I can't visualize their camps or the challenges or the less interesting players. Maybe it has something to do with the beach setting being more memorable than dry, dusty settings?
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Posted Mar 12, 2004 @ 2:18 AM

I'm another who can barely remember the first season, but have vivid memories of Australia, because it featured some of the most vivid action, ever. (finger-waving, pig-hunting, sel-immolation, and that first and most awesome brute strength challenge where Mike was gnashing his teeth as the bamboo rod with hundreds of pounds of weight broke across his back) After that, it was same crap/different location for Africa, Marquesas and Thailand and those three seasons blend.

It was only with the franchise saving desperation of the battle of the sexes twist of Amazon and the high-concept pirate theme of Pearl Islands that the players started showing signs of life again.

Edited by vallegirl, Mar 12, 2004 @ 2:18 AM.

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Posted Mar 12, 2004 @ 11:16 AM

The brute strength challenge in Australia was great but that season also had the single best challenge ever, for me: The pole-standing challenge. They always do the endurance challenge but lately it's been something that can't be maintained for too long or there's dealing and backstabbing. But the change over the course of 10 (!) hours from jumping around and joking to the grizzled, haggard looks on Tina and Keith's faces as they perched on those posts was what the game is all about: How bad do you want it?
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Posted Mar 12, 2004 @ 12:20 PM

Or Alicia finally giving out and not being able to win it. That was the last time the game could be played in its original format, and it was a good follow up to the original season.
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Posted Mar 13, 2004 @ 12:59 PM

My ranking of the seasons, from worst to best, with the tribe names to jog peoples' memories:

All Stars (Chapera, Saboga, Mogo Mogo, Chaboga Mogo): It was nice not having to spend the first couple episodes just getting to know everybody. Unfortunately, that's the best thing I can say about it. Horribly predictable and dull from beginning to end, with way too much food as well.

Africa (Samburu, Boran, Moto Maji): It had the least amount of survival stuff. Since the local wildlife was off-limits, the producers actually had to give the contestants all of their food. Also, Brandon the walking gay stereotype really got on my nerves after a while.

Thailand (Chuy Gahn, Sook Jai, Chuy Jai): Only Robb and Shi Ann kept me awake during much of this season, the most memorabel part of which was the least creative merged tribe name the show will ever have. The over-reliance on puzzle challenges was another turn-off.

Borneo (Tagi, Pagong, Rattana): I loved it at the time, but since then it's far been upstaged. The lack of plotting from many of the contestants makes it kind of dull now.

Marquesas (Rotu, Maraamu, Soliantu): It may have had the most forgettable winner, but this season was a great comeback after the lows of Africa. For the first time the tribes were completely reliant on their surroundings for food and water, and it was great fun after the overly simplified "survivals" that had come before.

Austraila (Kucha, Ogakor, Barramundi): A marked improvement over season one, with lots more actual survival stuff (the big storm is the biggest real survival moment in the show's history). The experiment of extending the game three days was a big mistake, though.

Amazon (Tambaqui, Jabaru, Jacare): Plenty of scheming and plotting, and the constantly shifting alliances, mostly due to Rob's machinations, made this a highly enjoyable season and the best up to that point. Only the final outcome stopped me from ranking it first.

Pearl Islands (Drake, Morgan, Balboa): To date the best overall season, IMO. Full of people you loved and people you hated, some of whom even switched over the course of the season. All that, plus an outcome that was actually satisfying did much to bring back my faith in the show after the calamity of the Amazon finale.

Edited by Eegah, May 9, 2004 @ 10:38 PM.

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Posted Mar 13, 2004 @ 1:31 PM

Let's see.... I'm glad this board exists, especially since All-Stars is on.

Rank of seasons watched: (did not watch Africa and Pearl Islands)

1. Marquesas (Neleh and Paschal switching to Sean and Vee, the end of Rotu four, the purple rock)
2. Borneo (Richard, Rudy, Sue... gruff outspoken folks who didn't give a damn, what more could you want?)
3.Amazon (Rob C, that's enough for me, the antics of Heidi and Jenna, Matt)
4. Thailand (BOOORING!!!! Brian dominated the whole game, not enough personalities, Grindia bugged)

I didn't watch Africa because I watched the first 10 minutes and they already started scheming (I didn't even know who the hell they were) and I turned it off. I guess my gut was right.

I didn't watch Pearl Islands at first because I was mad about Jenna winning over Matt in Amazon, but I started reading the boards again and you guys made it sound real good. I bet if I watched it all that it would have been ranked #1, but I didn't, so it would've been unfair.

Edited by appleeyes84, Mar 13, 2004 @ 1:32 PM.

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Posted Mar 13, 2004 @ 1:50 PM

Eegah I agree with your rankings of the worst four Survivors, especially that, in light of what transpired afterwards, that Borneo really was kinda snoozy, but I rank Australia higher than Amazon in entertainment and as tied with or better than Pearl Islands. It didn't have any gimmicks, but it had stellar personalities that drove it the whole time. It dragged a little in the mid-section when Colby was winning everything and Kucha was getting pagonged, but it did feature the "most satisfying boot EVAH." (That held until Stupert got the boot, which was eventually replaced by many when Burton got the second boot.)
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Posted Mar 13, 2004 @ 5:35 PM

Since there isn't a thread for stupid questions and I don't really feel like starting one I'm putting this here.

I only watched the first 2 Survivors but All Stars has sucked me back in.

What was the order? I know Borneo, Australia, Africa, then? until Pearl Islands. I watched a couple of Pearl Islands episode.

Also, who won each one? Again, I know Rich, Tina, Ethan then? until Sandra. I know Jenna won one but I don't know which one. Thanks folks!

ETA: I just found the stupid questions thread, it's called FAQ, sorry about that and thanks anyway.

Edited by Taj Cloud7, Mar 13, 2004 @ 5:50 PM.

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Posted Mar 13, 2004 @ 7:33 PM

I watched Australia and was obsessed. I would spend all my time thinking about it, making spreadsheets about who voted for who, etc. It was sad.
I watched 2 or 3 Africas, but was too mentally exhausted from Australia to keep watching.
I was hooked back by All-Stars, and love it, although the spreadsheets have not returned (yet?)
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Posted Mar 15, 2004 @ 1:03 AM

benthorot, since Australia, CBS.com has had a spreadsheet-style chart available. For example, here's the Africa chart, and here's the All-Star chart. I remember in the early seasons having to refer to that chart because they didn't show all the votes during the credits.

I figure that this is a good place to mention the Survivor 1 DVD boxset. According to TVShowsonDVD.com, the official release date has been set for May 11.
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Posted Mar 15, 2004 @ 2:24 PM

Ranking them is tough. I didn't see the original one (thought I was above it; I was sooo wrong) and Africa (too frazzled at the time, couldn't deal; you know what I'm talking about). But for the rest (roughly from worst to best)

Marquesas - Worst is relative, since I've loved them all. The outcome was pure BS but there was great stuff along the way: The Robfather and Sean; Sean's incredible improvement without the Robfather, Kathy learning the game about half-way through (one of the best audience surrogate players I've seen). Plus a strong alliance committing suicide though unnecessary smugness. It was good.

Thailand - Again, as far as bad goes, it was pretty damn good. Some were bored by Brian's domination but we were lovin' it. He wrote the book. He somehow made it so that everyone else in the game was working as hard as possible to make sure that he won. How'd he do it? I have no frickin idea. His only panic moment: The video of his wife bragging about their matching BMWs or whatever. Bet he wished he lost that reward.

Pearl Islands - We were off the Rupert love train from day one and his ouster was classic. The development of Johnny Fairplay was just too damn entertaining. How could you not love that? And Sandra's "anyone-but-me" attitude was so great. Darrah was a hoot too and her sour parting words were hilarious. Great season.

Amazon - Rob's incredibly dangerous defensive strategizing was nailbiting to watch. I swear if he'd had an afternoon to work on Jenna he'd have convinced her to take him to the final two. He was amazing. Outcome was only "eh" but Rob made the show riveting.

Australia - What can I say? The hand-burning incident that sank an entire tribe, the moaning about chocolate cookies, the flood, the mushy rice, the pig killing, Elizabeth and Rodger (and Rodger offering himself up ahead of Elizabeth because she needed the chance more than him), Kimmi's big mouth killing Jeff weeks after she was gone, the unbelievable Jerri ouster, and (as I mentioned in another thread) the best immunity challenge ever: Standing on top of poles surrounded by water for 10 hours. This season was absolutely incredible television. I wish I'd seen the original so I could have appreciated how far it had developed by Australia. Just awesome.

Edited by cinemagotham, Mar 15, 2004 @ 3:58 PM.

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Posted Mar 15, 2004 @ 11:09 PM

Damn, now I wish CBS would show some marathons of past seasons.

Kathy learning the game about half-way through (one of the best audience surrogate players I've seen).


Great description of Kathy in Marqueses. It does seem like a long time ago - on ASS I want very much want her to lose badly - but I was really rooting for her back in the day.

I have never had anyone I've wanted to win actually win *or* get to 2nd. For me, the best all have someone to root for in 3rd.

Best seasons:
Rudy/1st Season, Kathy/Marqueses, Rob C./Amazon

2nd tier:
Lex/Africa (liked him but too scary)

Not Best:
Jon/Pearl Islands, Jan/Thailand, Keith/Australia

But, like cinemagotham, I've enjoyed every season & it's all relative.
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Posted Mar 27, 2004 @ 12:40 PM

Hi, I hope I am following protocol. Someone (o.b.) in the Survivor Media thread said this:

and this after sweet, sneaky Elisabeth had shown how it should be done by asking the Best. Jury. Question. Ever.


I looked for a thread on that season, having not watched it, but I don't see one.

Would someone be kind enough to post what Elizabeth's question was? I'd love to know!
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Posted Mar 27, 2004 @ 2:50 PM

I guess I'm the only person who wasn't a big fan of Australia. Pre-merge was fantastic, but post-merge was a typical Pagonging, with only minor variations based on who Tina and Colby deemed most deserving to stay. The entire season was heavy with "good people deserve to play this game, and we, Tina and Colby, are in charge of determining what constitutes a good person, which is generally how subservient they will be to us, and also, we have deemed ourselves the best." That being said, Jerri's boot retains it's title of Best Boot Ever, despite challenges to her crown by Rupert, Burton, and Jon. And I've only been really satisfied with three winners, and Tina was one of them.

Africa suuuuuuucked. It featured one of the worst final four groups ever, the Pagonging was more routine than usual, and the surroundings were blah. Africa did manage to have one of the most entertaining casts though -- T-Bird, The Frank and Brandon Show, Playskool/Old Skool, Crazy Lex, Big Tom.

Everything that went wrong with Africa went wrong with Thailand, except that Thailand featured 16 boooooooooooring people, making it easily the worst season.

I loved Borneo, the casting has never been better than that, but plot-wise, the season doesn't hold up. It's just not that interesting, in retrospect.

Rob made the Amazon. It was just brilliant to see, for about 5 straight weeks, someone declare their ultimate, irrevocable power in the game right before going to TC to have their torch snuffed. I wanted Rob to win, but I also never liked Matt, so I wasn't crushed to see Jenna walk away with the million.

I lurve Marquesas; it's my second favorite season after Pearl Islands. The fall of the Rotu 4 (and John crying when he was voted out), Kathy's redemption (I'm trying not to let her current fall from grace taint that), Sean, the original Tribe of the Damned that became the Little Tribe That Could, and by far the most beautiful location yet.

I think the fact that The Rupert Show never sank Pearl Islands is a testament to how fantastic it is. If they dialed back the Rupert and were more honest about his personality, the season would have been that much better, but as it stands, it was just so good. There were so many storylines that were so perfectly poetic, they couldn't have been scripted better - the Outcast twist played out perfectly, tiny Darrah's immunity run, the fall of King Rupert, the girls' smackdown of Burton and Jon, Lill's brilliant triumph over Jon in the final IC and his subsequent boot, the most smug, arrogant jury ever having to face the least likely final two pairing ever - it was all just perfect.
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Posted Mar 28, 2004 @ 2:37 PM

javachik, Elisabeth's question was something like, "without giving any reasons why, which two members of the jury do you think least deserved to win the million dollars?" Tina said, "JERRI! . . . . . . . and Rodger" and Colby answered, "JERRI! . . . and Keith." I love Jerri now, but that was one of the funniest moments in any TC.

The following season, Brandon asked a similar question and Ethan answered, "well, you." Brandon became indignant and claimed he was changing his vote from Ethan to Kim as a result, but, really, how could he not have seen that answer coming?
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Posted Mar 28, 2004 @ 9:25 PM

Resmudge, thank you! I would have liked to hear reasons why as well, but it's a good question.
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Posted Mar 29, 2004 @ 12:44 AM

For me, Borneo is still the best because of the novelty. And I am one who liked Africa more than Australia, although in retrospect I remember much more of Australia and it did have more drama. Marquesas - kind of blah, Thailand was awful, absolutely my least favorite season of them all. Amazon was cool until the winner and Pearl Islands was high on my list too - especially after they got rid of Rupert.

Mostly, I like the game and hate the winners - Hatch and Ethan (at the time!) excepted. Although I must admit on reflection, Brian was the best winner. Hatch had an advantage that he was the only one that had a perception of the REAL game in his season. Brian didn't have that same advantage, yet manipulated an entire tribe the whole time. Still don't like him, but after seeing wins by V, Jenna and Sandra (who was likeable but blah to me), I can say for myself that Brian was the last winner that actively fought his way to a win instead of a lesser of two evils/at long as it's not me strategy that I don't care for despite its effectiveness.
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Posted Mar 29, 2004 @ 3:34 PM

My favorite season is S2. Top to bottom I felt Australia had the most memorable and entertaining players.
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Posted Mar 29, 2004 @ 7:48 PM

Australia was the first season I watched the whole way through. I thought it was entertaining and I was actually happy with a Tina win (something that wouldn't happen again until Sandra).

Africa did manage to have one of the most entertaining casts though -- T-Bird, The Frank and Brandon Show, Playskool/Old Skool, Crazy Lex, Big Tom


ITA with this. Watching Lex's transformation from normal, hardworking guy who everyone liked to foaming at the mouth paranoid was fascinating. And then there was Brandon and then Frank wearing skirts to Tribal Council...Kelly G's bizarre The Graduate-quoting voting...to me Africa's cast was the looniest. The only thing that ruined this season for me was the final 2 of Kim and Ethan. I wasn't a fan of either of them.

I loved Marquesas as well. I also agree with it being the most beautiful location ever. The good vs. evil pairings of Hunter/Gina vs. Rob/Sarah. The sudden Rotu power shift. Crazy yet lovable Kathy. Once again for me, the final 2 ruined it

I thought Thailand was the worst. There was no way anyone but Brian was going to win -- the only thing that redeemed this season for me was the jury who hated both Brian and Clay and didn't bother to disguise it.

Amazon was good until the winner was announced.

Pearl Islands was great. And for some reason I actually picked Sandra as the winner after a few episodes. I loved the jury for PI. They would calmly ask Sandra a question, grin at her answer and then turn on Lill.

Edited by Miss Steph, Mar 29, 2004 @ 7:50 PM.

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Posted Mar 30, 2004 @ 8:11 AM

I have enjoyed all of the seasons, some more than others, of course. My memories:

Borneo: I still remember the shock when Gretchen was voted off, and I actually realized what kind of game it was. Rats and Snakes!!

Australia: I will always wave my finger! Mike on fire. Colby throwing away the million so he could be a razor shill.

Africa: Lex's gut, Kelly getting screwed by Lex. Frank and Brandon.

Marqueses: Kathy going from worst to first (well, third actually). Grief over Gina leaving. "I need someone to pee on me". Blah winner and second place.

Thailand: Brian and the stupidity of everyone else. Stupid Robbbbbb getting stung by a ray and no one cared. Grindiagate. My least favorite.

Amazon: Heidi going from hot hero to zero. Recrap episode with maybe the best musical montage ever. RobC and some great interviews.

Pearl Islands: Rupert's downward plunge into annoying. Dead Granny.

ASS: Rupert's continuing downward spiral. Like turning to not-like (or hate in some instances) and vice versa or some contestents.

When will Survivor 9 start?
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Posted Apr 3, 2004 @ 9:17 AM

One thing I never understand is why everyone's focus is on the merge from day one. Wouldn't it be wiser to get your team there as intact as possible before splintering off into alliances? Is it really wise to boot a stong player who is beneficial to the team because of a personality issue? Would it be better to suck it up until the merge is very close?
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Posted Apr 3, 2004 @ 11:36 PM

One thing I never understand is why everyone's focus is on the merge from day one.

I really hate this and how this has become assumed and the focus of gameplay immediately. MB needs to shake things up in the next edition and either do a merge early or late or not at all.
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Posted Apr 9, 2004 @ 7:56 PM

I loved S1 but have a totally different view of Hatch after the Rich/Sue incident in ASS. I loved Richard then, can't stand him now. Favorite Contestant (at the time): Tie: Richard, Sue, Sonja

S2 was a letdown after the great first season but I did like Maralyn and was pissed when she was voted off. Favorite Contestant: Maralyn

S3 was boring for me. It was starting to become rote. I'm remembering some kind of problems between the "young people" and the "older people." Boring. Favorite Contestant: Big Tom.

S4 with Boston Rob, Sean and Kathy brought it all back. Kathy definitely should've won. Favorite Contestant: Kathy

S5 had some characters. Ted. Ghandia. Brian. Clay. Jan. Helen. Chuay Ghan (sp?) was one of my all time favorite tribes. Favorite Contestant: Tie - Jan and Clay

S6 - Boys vs. Girls. Yawn. Stopped watching halfway through it. Favorite Contestant: Christy.

S7 - RUPERT! I was on the Galleon from the beginning and never left. Fairplay was obnoxious, especially with DeadGramma (tm somebody). However, Sandra was a deserving winner. I'll never forget her in the first episode, doing all of that negotiating. And who will ever forget LIL! Favorite Contestant: Rupert

S8 - Oh, the mighty have fallen. The series is just now getting good. The Rich/Sue episode was the franchise's lowest point, in my opinion. And Burnett's "Apprentice" is getting way more buzz. But the show is starting to hit its stride. Rupert is FUTR (at least compared to S7) and for awhile there I had left the Galleon. But I'm back. I hope the show is, too. Bring on S9 -- and fast!F Favorite Contestant: Tie - Rupert, Sue, Kathy

Edited by meowing, Apr 9, 2004 @ 8:08 PM.

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Posted Apr 15, 2004 @ 9:08 PM

Just jumping on the whole Australian-Outback-was-the-greatest-Survivor-bandwagon. Such dramas... I still remember the beef jerky incident and the whole Keith can't cook rice complaints like it was yesterday. Another thing I remember is how much different Colby looked when they brought them from the Outback to the soundstage in America... how long was it between filming?
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