It's nice to see people talking and not just repeating false equivalencies or strawman arguments all the time.
I get irritated when Bill insists on treating the Bible as a completely prefabricated piece of fiction, rather than metaphor or allegory for human spiritual evolution -- which, IMO, is more like what it was intended to be. I know there are knuckle-draggers out there who insist on interpreting the Bible literally, but there's not much you can do about that.
It is very much metaphorical and allegorical and I think that was the intent of the authors of the books. I think we're at a point now where too many people are taking it literally, however, but I think it is very important to do something about it because it's holding this country back from moving on and addressing real world problems. People with these beliefs should not be holding office and governing the country. This is why the USA is falling behind in STEM imo.
When a congressman is on record saying global climate change won't be the end of the world because only god can end the world *who is on the House science committee*, we're not going to get real energy policy, environmental protection, etc.
SAT claims it correlates with performance in college though there are studies which dispute that, that people who didn't score well still had good grades and completed college degrees.
Doing well on the SAT is an indicator of doing well on the SAT and that's it. None of my colleagues in academics who have served on admissions committees say otherwise. I'm sorry to say to the guy sitting on the left, but he's wrong.
Bill sometimes can be an idiot though. How do you have an essay question in math? You have an actual problem to solve. It tests critical thinking skills. Rushdie seemed to get it though.
The running message that every child should have a college education is kind of BS, in my opinion.
I think a more appropriate thesis is that everyone should have more technical training imo and you don't necessarily need that in college. I would add a slight counter in that if you can get a BS in STEM, you're going to have above average job security and opportunity.
All these self imposed restrictions that religions, and denominations within these religions, are just something else for people and governments to distinguish themselves and to further separate the world's population into tribes and fuel the us versus them mentality...
I'm not a traditionalist by any means, but there are some traditions that are ok and I get that people like to follow them. When I was a kid, we didn't eat meat on Fridays during Lent, nbd. We had fish and chips instead and it was a fun thing to go out to eat. I eat what I want now, but I don't think something like that is so bad. But for the most part, I think that most restrictions aren't good at all. It's becoming increasingly detrimental as the world becomes a smaller place.
As for the big flood story, the Bible is not the only source for that. Other ancient cultures from that part of the world had their flood myths as well.
The flood is an historical fact. You can find supporting evidence in the historical record, most notably in Gilgamesh. iirc, it was the flooding of the Black Sea. So sure, ancient peoples came up with myths that their gods were pissed off that them. What Bill was saying is that this wasn't worldwide and a 900 y/o man with his 100+ y/o sons didn't build and ark and didn't take 2 of each animals, etc.
Bill's actually wrong. The christian test audiences complained that the movie contained things that weren't in the biblical version, and the filmmaker pointed out they were actual passages in the bible story. Which furthers my hypothesis that these fundamentalist religious people actually don't know much about religion at all.
Edited by ganesh, Yesterday, 05:58 PM.