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Posted Apr 11, 2012 @ 1:57 PM

Boy, Bill sure does have a hard time finding female guests who aren't idiots. Who was the last female panelist who held her own on this show? Maybe he needs to stop booking so many of them seemingly based on their age and relative attractiveness? Especially if they're right-wingers, because most of them seem to just be espousing those views because it's a TV meal-ticket to be a hot young conservative female.

Edited by NicoleMN6, Apr 11, 2012 @ 1:58 PM.

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Posted Apr 12, 2012 @ 1:53 AM

Boy, Bill sure does have a hard time finding female guests who aren't idiots. Who was the last female panelist who held her own on this show? Maybe he needs to stop booking so many of them seemingly based on their age and relative attractiveness? Especially if they're right-wingers, because most of them seem to just be espousing those views because it's a TV meal-ticket to be a hot young conservative female.

Bring back Rachel Maddow!!!
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Posted Apr 12, 2012 @ 9:22 AM

She is in CA this week - would be the perfect time.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 11:47 AM

Tavis Smiley was awesome - I wish he would have been a panelist. And, THANK YOU Kim Campbell for making the point about Ann Romney never having worked a day in her life. She never had to, because she has the luxury of being married to a very wealthy man. I'm sure she had all kinds of hired help with those five children of hers. I know lots of moms who have to work to support their families. If you're lucky enough not to have to work, good for you. But the vast majority of moms have to work, they don't have a choice. Let's not pretend Ann Romney slaves away like some working class mom who works 40+ hours a week AND raises kids.

Matthew Continetti is such a dink.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 12:12 PM

Imonrey, I agree with you about Tavis Smiley, and Ann Romney doesn't strike me as someone who has her fingers on the pulse of the "average" American woman either. But I totally lurve you for calling Matthew Continetti a dink (I haven't heard that term for decades)!

Bill's Sarah Palin comment that just because you shit in the woods doesn't make you a bear made me laugh like a hyena.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 1:33 PM

Matthew Continetti is such a dink.

Geesh, he sure is. That arch sneer? Wants punching. I see that he's William Kristol's son-in-law, Nice to see wingnut nepotism in full bloom.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 1:52 PM

Cosign on the Matthew Continetti dinkitude. What an annoying little weasel. It was a pretty decent show other than him.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 4:04 PM

Was Continetti the little boy who sat in the in middle of the panel? I did not like him. He didn't seem to have an original thought or any critical thinking skills. The polls say this and that. I don't care. I watch the show to listen to other people's opinions. And I can't believe he just rudely interrupted *the former PM of Canada!* How about a shred of respect? What a little shit.

I love the Canadian PM and thought it was kind of cute when Bill teased her about raising stepchildren. The other guy was pretty interesting too. I didn't know that the Buffet rule was similar to the Reagan tax policy. Why aren't people pointing that out?

Bill seemed more on his game in the one-on-one interview. That was a really good segment. Maybe he gets up for it more when he likes the people he's interviewing. I thought it was a good point that Obama didn't really get up on gun control when the congresslady was shot in AZ. I'm actually hoping Obama gets re-elected and starts dropping the hammer all over the place. "Hey Mr. Speaker, stop f'ing crying and get some work done!"

I don't think it's really cool to call people's spouses and kids out. Unless they're breaking the law or something. It's a fair point to question how Romney relates to women and working moms though. I know it's hard to raise kids no doubt. My cousin is raising her two kids (married). She was a stay at home mom for 5 years or so and she was bored and finally went back to work. I also doubt that Mrs. Romney didn't have a least one nanny to help out either. I'm just not seeing her making lunches for school every night and carting the kids all over between band and soccer practice. Maybe the original commenter could have used more tact when bringing up the issue. It's a legit thing to talk about.

I also like how Romney is like, I know women, they say their biggest issue is the economy! Isn't the economy usually the biggest issue with anyone during a presidential campaign? It's not like after that I'm all like, oh he really does get women! Wow! I'm just dumbfounded though that a woman would in fact want to vote for this guy. Those of my women friends that do, it seems more like they're voting for anyone who isn't Obama than voting for an actual person.
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Posted Apr 15, 2012 @ 12:28 PM

I really enjoyed Friday's show. The Canadian PM was awesome as was Tavis Smiley and Reagan's budget director. It's hilarious how Reagan's budget director sounds like a raging lefty compared to the right of today.
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Posted Apr 15, 2012 @ 12:41 PM

It's hilarious how Reagan's budget director sounds like a raging lefty compared to the right of today.

Obama's re-election team & the Bill Maher/Keith Olbermann/Rachel Maddows of the media need to hit this point repeatedly, because it's true. I wish Bill had engaged him more on the similarities of Obama's & Regan's budget/tax policies.

Those same media talking heads need to hit back hard on the whole Ann Romney thing- she may be a very nice lady, but due to her level of wealth, she never had to make the choices that the vast majority of both working AND SAH moms make. I don't like it when the media (esp. Bill, who can be rather nasty in these moments) calls out any family members of a politician. Bill should've made the point that the reason it was brought up was because Mitt calls Ann one of his economic advisors, & it has nothing to do w/ working moms vs. SAH moms. IMO Bill misses lots of moments to make good points about stuff like this because he goes for the cheap joke or the sarcastic comment instead.

Dinkitude= perfect description of that dink. But I wouldn't expect anything less from anyone associated w/ Bill Kristol.
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Posted Apr 15, 2012 @ 1:13 PM

Did Romney really say his wife was one of his advisers? I thought he was just saying he talks to her about policies. If that's the case, then it's totally fair to criticize her. If she really never worked outside the home, then I would question her expertise.
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Posted Apr 16, 2012 @ 10:49 AM

Frankly, I find it scary how Obama can espouse the policies of moderate republicans like Romney and Reagan (seriously amazing that he is considered a moderate) and be called a socialist. IMO, Obama is too much like a moderate republican. I certainly hope that moving so much to the right works out for him in the election, because it did absolutely nothing for him with the health care act.

Boy, Bill sure does have a hard time finding female guests who aren't idiots. Who was the last female panelist who held her own on this show? Maybe he needs to stop booking so many of them seemingly based on their age and relative attractiveness? Especially if they're right-wingers, because most of them seem to just be espousing those views because it's a TV meal-ticket to be a hot young conservative female.


Yeah, Bill has the same problem the Republican party has when picking VP nominees. That's how they got Palin.
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Posted Apr 18, 2012 @ 12:18 PM

I caught Bill's tweet last week where he said that, on his New Rules segment, he was going to bring up baseball's Ozzie Guillen getting suspended for his pro Castro comments and thought to myself "Aw geez, not another one of Bill's 'I'll say what I wanna say and not have to pay any consequences' whinefests". So I was pleasently surprised to know it was all about the United States' long time hypocritical stance on which foreign despotic regimes they consider friends and which ones they consider enemies. He was spot on there.
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Posted Apr 18, 2012 @ 6:37 PM

I was pleasently surprised to know it was all about the United States' long time hypocritical stance on which foreign despotic regimes they consider friends and which ones they consider enemies. He was spot on there.

Yes, he was, & this is when I can actually enjoy Maher. But usually, he follows it up w/ a sexist comment or a diatribe against religion, & I'm pissed all over again.
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Posted Apr 21, 2012 @ 7:10 AM

Anne Romney may not have worked outside the home but she did have to struggle five little boys in and out of snowsuits during a Massachusetts winter said the wife of the fugly guy who wrote "Rush." Little boys and snowsuits? Good Lord if that isn't comparable to ten hours at Wal-Mart stocking shelves and two buses home to pay the baby sitter then walk with the kids to the bodega to buy something to make for dinner, I don't know what is.

I'm sure there were days that Anne zipped jackets and struggled little boots on feet at times the nanny wasn't there. If that isn't heroism, what the hell IS ?

Edited to add the panelist was Todd G. Buchholz. Reviews of the book indicate that the professor is a douche's douche.

Edited by TedHinD, Apr 21, 2012 @ 7:15 AM.

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Posted Apr 21, 2012 @ 8:20 AM

the panelist was Todd G. Buchholz.

I went to high school w/ him. While I completely disagree w/ his politics & believe that, as w/ most Wall Streeters, money is all that drives his platform, we are inordinately proud that this Jersey Shore boy has done so well & gone so far.
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Posted Apr 21, 2012 @ 6:07 PM

Anne Romney may not have worked outside the home but she did have to struggle five little boys in and out of snowsuits during a Massachusetts winter said the wife of the fugly guy who wrote "Rush."

I thought the guy was kidding. Boston doesn't get that much snow anyway. It's not like they were trudging through several feet of it.

Is it really that hard being a stay at home mom in the first place? I honestly don't know. Both my parents worked and seemed to manage ok. Presumably, if you're staying at home, you're fairly well-off to begin with, so there's a lot less pressure to really have to stick to a budget. Plus, what do you do when the kids are in school? I can see how being a single, working mother is hard.

The woman sitting in the middle of the panel said, "it's a relief to go to work." Tell your husband to share with the chores then!
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Posted Apr 21, 2012 @ 6:25 PM

Overall, I enjoyed the panel because of Chrystia Freeland and Thomas Frank.

The whole Ann Romney thing is ridiculous. Yeah, having millions of servants is the same thing as being a stay-at-home mom from the working or lower class.
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Posted Apr 21, 2012 @ 7:58 PM

It was indeed a pleasure watching Freeland, an intelligent woman who actually added some constructive comments to the discussion. I loved how the camera kept cutting to her genuinely cracking up during New Rules.

Ah, but for those of you who can't get enough of the ignorant, humorless, douchebagettes Bill is so inordinately and inexplicably fond of, next week, S.E. Cupp!!
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Posted Apr 21, 2012 @ 8:41 PM

You're so right DXD562. I cringed when I saw that S.E. Cupp was going to be on next week.
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Posted Apr 23, 2012 @ 1:03 PM

Boy, the first interview with the farmer/enviromentalist woman was painful. While she was clearly a hard interview, I think it was from nerves and discomfort rather than lack of substance. But Bill had to keep trying to make (bad) jokes about shit deposits instead of actually asking relevant questions and being engaged in the subject matter. And I also find it extremely telling that, notwithstanding Bill's "eat natural food" speaches, he's never met a farmer before.

I also found the panel to be below average. Bill was trying, throwing stuff out, but it would just lay there. The panelists didn't want to discuss anything except in talking points. However, I did really like the discussion with the 2nd interview guy about religion. While I personally have issues with both sides of this issue, I enjoyed the relatively respectful, cliche light, and content-heavy discussion they had. I wouldn't mind a much longer piece just on this topic.
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Posted Apr 23, 2012 @ 1:15 PM

I agree, Iguana. The discussion between Bill and Ross Douthat was the most interesting part of the show. I'm a die-hard agnostic but I thought both of them made some very good points, and given Bill knowledge about religion - he did make a documentary about it after all - I was puzzled by the fact that he seemed to resist the suggestion that interpreting the bible as literal is a fairly recent idea. He should have known that.

I'm sure Lynn Henning is a great person working on a great cause, but she just wasn't a good interview guest for Bill.
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Posted Apr 23, 2012 @ 1:15 PM

Bill, when a joke of yours bombs, you don't take it out on the audience by flipping the bird at them and telling them that he'll come after them. They're trying to tell you it sucks. Deal with it and grow up.

Ah, but for those of you who can't get enough of the ignorant, humorless, douchebagettes Bill is so inordinately and inexplicably fond of, next week, S.E. Cupp!!

S.E. Cupp. For those of us who thought Kennedy was too calm and rational. Ugh!
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Posted Apr 23, 2012 @ 1:30 PM

I will be interested to watch the re-broadcast tonight. I have seen in at least two places the quote from this show, which I'm betting was from New Rules, about when the right-wing deals with what appears to be a common sense issue, they fight it with the intensity of a rabid raccoon on crystal meth. I almost never see this stuff quoted anywhere, so this one is definitely gold.
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Posted Apr 23, 2012 @ 2:37 PM

The religion discussions are always interesting to me because it's a topic Bill is clearly passionate about. I found the very technical and legal answer RD gave in response to Bill's question about whether to kill bin-Laden to be kind of funny. It seemed to be (to me) the typical parsing of the text to suit the situation. I'm not religious at all, but I actually think they shouldn't have killed bin-Laden. I don't fault the soldier for doing it, and the situation could have very well spiraled out of control had he not shot him. I do find it hard to believe Jesus said it was ok though.
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Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 10:13 AM

In general, I find Bill's views on religion to be deeply held but not deeply thought out. It seems to me that he makes the same puddle deep arguments for his views that he accuses religious people of having with regard to their beliefs. He has the tools to effectively argue against someone who's just spouting their party lines but against someone like Ross Doughnut (can not stand!) I think he is very weak. Every response to RD felt like "Well, I disagree. Now moving on to the next question." It could have been the format or the time constraints but I rarely find BM's views on faith, religion or religious people compelling.

Edited by Your Grace, Apr 24, 2012 @ 10:14 AM.

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Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 11:33 AM

The woman sitting in the middle of the panel said, "it's a relief to go to work." Tell your husband to share with the chores then!


Chores is not the point. The point is that when you are taking care of kids, especially young children, they constantly demand your attention. You have no time to yourself. Heck, I can't even use the toilet at home without one of my kids saying "Mom?!" Parents who park the kids in front of the TV for 30 minutes aren't bad parents. They just need a break.

That's what she means by it being a relief to go to work. To have some moments of quiet, to be able to think, to not be barraged with questions, arguments, etc. the entire time.

So yes, being a SAHM is "work" in some respects and may be harder in some respects. But it is completely different from the challenges that face most women who work outside the home, especially those who are also mothers. Plus, I seriously doubt Ann Romney did it all alone. She had help, whether from parents or servants, or both.

Bill may be right that most conflicts (and wars) involve religion, but certainly not all. I don't believe that WWI, WWII, Korea or Vietnam were caused by or really involved religion as its central premise. Yes, WWII had an anti-semetic component, but the war was started because Hitler wanted to rule all of Europe.
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Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 11:54 AM

Didn't the Romney's 5 boys go to boarding school? If so, Mrs. Romney didn't even have child care tasks to take care of on a daily basis. More time for horseback riding and driving around in her Cadillacs I suppose?
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Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 12:24 PM

Didn't the Romney's 5 boys go to boarding school? If so, Mrs. Romney didn't even have child care tasks to take care of on a daily basis.

No, they didn't, according to the recent biography of Mitt Romney, The Real Romney.
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Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 12:58 PM

In general, I find Bill's views on religion to be deeply held but not deeply thought out.

The movie was pretty well done and fairly in depth from what I remember. I think because of time limits on the show he can't get into it as much as he might want. [Which is why there should be a show entirely devoted to religion.] I thought he question about killing bin-Laden was pretty valid. If someone purports to follow Jesus' teachings then how do you reconcile with killing him? The guy could have just said, "they shouldn't have," but he gave this way over-technical answer that sort of validates Bill's points from the movie: people pick and choose what they want to do and hide behind religion to justify it, even if it actually contradicts what's in the gospels. He didn't nearly have time to get into that adequately, so the his response could be seen as petty or short-sighted.

So yes, being a SAHM is "work" in some respects and may be harder in some respects. But it is completely different from the challenges that face most women who work outside the home, especially those who are also mothers. Plus, I seriously doubt Ann Romney did it all alone. She had help, whether from parents or servants, or both.

I was being glib about the chores. I don't even know the panelist's name, but if she's a single mom, I can totally get that she's exhausted. I only know how kids are only from me growing up and my cousins. It seems to me she was implying she does *everything* at home. Which isn't fair if she has a husband to share with chores and kid responsibilities. She can't take a nap and have the dad watch tv with the kid(s)? Or they swap days with who prepares dinner, for example. I'm personally having a hard time understand what exactly these people are doing that makes them say things like that. I'm not knocking her; I just want more information. I wasn't trying to denigrate parenting.

Edited by ganesh, Apr 24, 2012 @ 1:00 PM.

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