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Posted Apr 23, 2012 @ 10:07 PM

Wondering what Malachi has been up to lately? Look no further.
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Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 7:03 AM

Ha Ha Ha. Actually he was a t a show recently (I show Australian Shepherds) he no longer competes but he was the rock star nonetheless. He had a spot where he could be adored by all and a few times his handler/owner would give him a cue and he would do a trick. He is an amazing dog in person - tons of personality and very sweet guy.

For those not paying attention to dog showing FiFi the Dobie is on a roll with multiple Best in Shows and she and Oakley the German Wire Hair Pointer are in a battle for #1 show dog in the country. I love them both but my heart belongs to the Fifinator!
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Posted Apr 26, 2012 @ 9:55 AM

Being a basset hound lover, I always love to watch the hound division and watch the basset and his hound compatriots come out and circle the ring. It's amazing how many different hounds there are, but I think the basset must have the biggest variety of color combinations. There don't seem to be any that are exactly the same. Love the white-earred ones.
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Posted Feb 10, 2013 @ 7:46 PM

Bumping up for this week's show. Important note: tomorrow night's event will air on CNBC. No switching channels in the middle due to wrestling!
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Posted Feb 11, 2013 @ 7:22 AM

There is a new hound this year. I don't remember his exact name -- something walker tree hound -- but he is a beauty. I am a beagle fan, grew up with them here in the south. :)

Glad the judges are sequestered. There are so many stories on the news of dogs who survived Sandy in the hopes they win best in show. May the best dog win regardless of where he or she lives.
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Posted Feb 11, 2013 @ 8:04 AM

There will be two new breeds shown this year: the Russell Terrier (not to be confused with the Jack Russell) and the Treeing Walker Coonhound.
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Posted Feb 11, 2013 @ 6:42 PM

To be fair, 5 of the 7 competitors in Westminster's best in show line-up were not only beautiful examples of their respective breeds, but also displayed conformation and movement that indicated the ability to work at their intended purpose: the setter could easily spend a day in the field flushing and hunting game; the WH dachshund could certainly burrow after a badger and dispatch it; the Kerry could easily hunt small game/birds, retrieve from land and water, and herd sheep and cattle; and the muscular, athletic build of the Dal and the Dobe demonstrates the Dal could run alongside a coach as easily as his forbears, and the Dobe could guard his owner as the breed was intended to do.


Well, I wouldn't say the Dal or the Doxie can work. The Doxie really can't burrow after a badger, it's legs are too short and the back problems bred into the breed by changing the body shape pretty much prevent that. Doxies used to have much longer legs, check these two photos and you can see the longer less and shorter body:

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The Dalmatians suffer from a problem that makes their bladders fill up with stones. It's terrible, and it's like a bag of marbles, that's how many stones are in there. They bred in a pointer, then bred back to Dals, and 4 generations down the dogs look exactly like Dals and act like Dals, and don't have that genetic flaw. At first the AKC accepted them into the registry as purebred but then changed their mind becasue of foolishness on the part of Dal fanciers. I absolutely would not buy a Dal that carries that genetic fault and unfortunately most of the dogs do except the ones from these breeding experiment. There was an experiment where they crossed corgis with boxers to get naurally short tails in the boxers. Same thing, 4 generations and the dogs bred to look like boxers look like purebred boxers, with naturally short tails.

What the AKC is doing is really ruining breeds, by not encouraging common sense behavior in the breed clubs. The breed clubs are ultimately responsible for what they allow and what they dictate in the breed. I own show a breed that is the first breed to require hip dysplasia testing, back 40 years ago and now it's pretty rare to get a dog with HD *if* you go to a responsible breeding, it's rife in dogs that are not bred well like in puppy mills. We have a ton of other problems in our breed because we have a limited gene pool from a bottleneck created by Hitler (I shit you not), and we heavily work towards breeding these problems out but ultimately we need more genetic diversity and we're looking at what dogs to crossbreed into the breed to get more diversity.
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 1:13 AM

Weird . . . two groups had their winner go first in the order, while the American Fox Hound came out early in her group.

So far, so good. Biggest freak of nature is the Old English Sheepdog, whose eyes aren't visible. The others are acceptable . . . American Fox Hound, Affenpinscher and Bichon Frise. No fugly poodles this time, and Malachy's cousin doesn't get a chance to keep the big trophy in the family. Also liked the Russell Terriers frolicking in the snow, and the new Purina commercial with viewer videos.

Edited by Lantern7, Feb 12, 2013 @ 1:34 PM.

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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 6:08 AM

Loved the foxhound. I get the feeling the Old English Sheepdog is this year's new star. Bless his heart, he must run into a wall now and then.
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 8:26 AM

The American Foxhound was beautiful. I am disappointed that the Border Collie didn't win. Again. But happy that the 2 poodles were shutout.
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 9:46 AM

Affenpinscher's are very cute dogs. Nice to see that one come out of the toy group.
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 9:50 AM

Aren't those Collies just gorgeous? Well, of course I was pulling for my Bulldog and French Bulldog, I just love them. Oh well. Banana Joe the Affenpinscher will have to console me.

It seemed that the judge for the Herding group was ignoring the walk backs of some of the breeds - I noticed at least twice that he had them do their small walk away and back, he'd turn to the next dog in line to be judged when they'd barely gotten back, and before they'd go walk to their stand. Maybe just me?

Edited by cherry malotte, Feb 12, 2013 @ 9:51 AM.

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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 10:35 AM

Boy, you could tell David Frei *hates* that WKC is open to "class" dogs and not just champions. You could feel the venom dripping every time he had to mention it.

I had a friend from HS who had two Old English Sheepdogs and they were awful, stinky dogs. I have a bias against them, no matter how nice that one in the Bugs Bunny cartoons was.
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 10:50 AM

I was rooting for all the 'family' dogs- the GSD, Harrier, Beagle, and Border Collie.

Colleen Zenk (Barbara, ATWT) mentioned on FB that she was there with her friend who was showing the OES.
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 1:30 PM

ILNative . . . let me guess, those dogs never got their fur trimmed down. Biggest dancer from OES that I can see is that they're big enough to kill someone just by jumping up and licking the person to death.

Just remembered that renowned comic artist Adam Hughes has sheepdogs. I wound up getting a quick sketch from him at a convention by donating to his OES rescue. Here's alternate take on Catwoman he did a few years ago.

Anybody else think the Peke was going to drop from all the running?
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 3:44 PM

Some of those handlers should consider investing in jogging bras. That one woman was about to give herself 2 black eyes.
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 4:15 PM

How about the one who either had a tattoo of a dog paw or a muddy paw mark on her leg.(I kind of like the idea she was rocking a tat.)
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 4:25 PM

Pekes look like a shoebox with fur, just waddling' along. :)

I have last year's final on my DVR and I will never erase it. Remember the judge with that flouncy dress? When she bent over to examine the Kerry Blue Terrier, she let out the loudest fart. So loud the dog jerked his head around. We run that on a loop to brighten up a gloomy day anytime we need a laugh. Wonder what tonight will bring?
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 4:47 PM

Pekes look like a shoebox with fur, just waddling' along. :)


We call them Cartman. It's pretty easy to think of a scenario where you would say to one, "do you want some cheezy-poofs?" and imagining it waddling across the room to you and thinking to itself, "hell yeah, I want some cheezy-poofs."
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Posted Feb 12, 2013 @ 7:15 PM

I'm curious - that German Shepherd last night was practically walking on her heels, her back was so sloped. I understand that is the fashion now - unfortunately, IMHO. I admit I am partial, as my grandmother had a lovely German Shepherd dog back in the day. Anyway, I was wondering if the new confirmation was a feature trainers or breeders look for or care about when choosing a dog for police/military work or other service duties. Or would they prefer the old, more boxy, straight backed body? I find it hard to believe that the newer preference has any real life advantage, other than looking fashionable; it just doesn't seem healthy. Though for all I know, I could be wrong and it doesn't bother the dog's abilities or performance a bit. Does anybody know?

Yay for no poodles in the best of show round! I am looking forward to seeing the rest of the entrants tonight, particularly the terriers. So cute and full of personality.
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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 12:08 AM

The Reserve award . . . why? If Banana Joe gets pics published in Playgirl, would he be pressured to vacant his title to Swagger? Or if he's caught in a puppy porno ring? Not getting it.

Banana Joe is a step up from Malachy, even with all the yapping after his win. Affenpinschers may be considered "monkey dogs," but at least they look like dogs.

Edited by Lantern7, Feb 13, 2013 @ 12:10 AM.

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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 1:09 AM

Poodles seem to be a divisive kind of breed for some reason. I love them though. And far better an athletic, intelligent, distinctive breed like a Poodle than a broken-down travesty like the German Shepherd or the barely functional Peke or waddling Lab (seriously, that thing was 10 lbs overweight). Or one of the 300 identical-looking terriers. And while I love show cuts on some dogs like the Maltese, Shih Tzu & even the Bichon, surely it's time to reconsider the Poodle show cut. It looks so out-dated and the poor dogs look so uncomfortable, like they can barely open their eyes and are half-gassed on hairspray fumes. And it reinforces the stereotype of a snooty, reserved breed, when they are such fun and companionable pooches.

I loved that Banana Joe actually behaved like a dog when he won. And that his handler seemed to have genuine affection for him.
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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 5:39 AM

Both my cat and dog watched the finale with me. Something about animals moving on a screen fascinates them. I had really hoped a big dog would win, the foxhound being my favorite. At least the Porteguese Water Dog didn't win, we'd have never heard the end of "just like the Obama's dog" all year long. :)
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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 7:13 AM

Anyway, I was wondering if the new confirmation was a feature trainers or breeders look for or care about when choosing a dog for police/military work or other service duties. Or would they prefer the old, more boxy, straight backed body? I find it hard to believe that the newer preference has any real life advantage, other than looking fashionable; it just doesn't seem healthy. Though for all I know, I could be wrong and it doesn't bother the dog's abilities or performance a bit. Does anybody know?


Nope, you're entirely correct. The banana backs can't function normally, they are not used for herding or working dogs. It's all due to the show world. Belgian Malinois are overtaking the GSD in the police world.
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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 8:56 AM

Yay for Banana Joe! The Toy catagory probably isn't my most beloved, but he's such a happy and fun little guy, he's a great representation for his breed.

I didn't realize that Swagger was only 20 months old, in fact there were a few younger dogs in the show this year. Anybody know the minimum age for a dog to be shown? I'd think they'd have to be done growing.

I still love those Fox Terriers with the masked or bi-colored face, so pretty. The judge for the Terriers seemed like a pleasant man. Some of the judges get their bitchface on and it looks so cold. Good for the Bull Terrier going back for the treat, if somebody left it there it was fair game!
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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 11:42 AM

Poodles seem to be a divisive kind of breed for some reason. I love them though. And far better an athletic, intelligent, distinctive breed like a Poodle than a broken-down travesty like the German Shepherd or the barely functional Peke or waddling Lab (seriously, that thing was 10 lbs overweight).


Don't forget the English Bulldog, which have to be delivered by Cesearean section as they've made the heads too large and the pelvis too narrow to be born naturally. Not to mention they have a lot of breathing problems due to the "desirable" flat faces and, I believe, general skeletal problems as well. It's a shame, as I understand they are wonderful and loving companions.

I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks that show Labs always look overweight. Don't understand that.

Anyway, you're absolutely right about the poodles. They haven't ruined the dog physically, they've only made it look rather ridiculous. My main gripe about them is that at one point it seemed as though they were winning all the time. My point was less, "Gee, how I hate those poodles," and more "Let someone else have a chance!" Though I suppose they are not reigning over the dog show world the way they used to do.

surely it's time to reconsider the Poodle show cut. It looks so out-dated and the poor dogs look so uncomfortable, like they can barely open their eyes and are half-gassed on hairspray fumes. And it reinforces the stereotype of a snooty, reserved breed


It will never happen in the dog show world, but I do like poodles in that short, all-over clip - what is that, the puppy cut? The lamb cut? Those extravagant lion cuts (I think they are called) do make poodles seem like extremely high-maintenance, prissy type dogs and I know they are generally extremely smart, playful and athletic and only as high-maintenance as you want them to be.

Nope, you're entirely correct. The banana backs can't function normally, they are not used for herding or working dogs. It's all due to the show world. Belgian Malinois are overtaking the GSD in the police world.



What a shame that they took an intelligent, courageous, easily trained, fully functional and adaptable dog and bred all of the usefullness out of it. I fail to see the point of it all.

The Reserve award . . . why? If Banana Joe gets pics published in Playgirl, would he be pressured to vacant his title to Swagger? Or if he's caught in a puppy porno ring? Not getting it.


Ha! I would have preferred to see Swagger the Old English Sheepdog or Jewel the American Foxhound win it all, but am okay with the Affenpinscher winning. He has a great name, and such a happy little dog too.
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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 12:52 PM

Good for the Bull Terrier going back for the treat, if somebody left it there it was fair game!


That was hilarious! And such a dog thing to do. I love it when we get to see the dogs act like real dogs and not robot dogs.
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Posted Feb 13, 2013 @ 2:19 PM

I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks that show Labs always look overweight. Don't understand that.


That’s okay – show people think (some) working lines are weedy! The show labs aren’t fat, they’re just stockier. Kind of like the difference in physique between a baseball player and a rugby player. Different physiques, even when in top form. Plenty of show labs hunt, and hunt well.

Glad they moved/expanded the exhibition space, though I'm sad they used the opportunity to make the show even bigger. I know plenty of people who would never dream of taking a dog there because the old crating areas weren't humane for man or beast. I might go back and check out the new set up one of these years.
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Posted Feb 15, 2013 @ 2:30 AM

The banana backs can't function normally, they are not used for herding or working dogs. It's all due to the show world.


Honestly, I had to turn this thing off when I saw that dog. It was just too much. The fucked up things people do to animals all to fuel human ego. I didn't watch much of the show this year, because it just started making me feel gross. I think I've watched my last Westminster Dog Show, or any dog show, for that matter. I had never recognized the cruelty of it all. This was the show that finally did it for me.

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Posted Feb 15, 2013 @ 10:11 AM

I'm a bit biased because I have a large dog, but I had some issues with both the sporting and working groups. I have a Weimaraner and thought that the Weim that won best in breed wasn't the best show dog. For one, from the TV POV, the docked tail appeared to be too long, which also appeared the same way with the Viszla. I know mine is a large male with shorter tail and probably too tall and weights about 10 lbs above show standard, but this female seemed especially small to my eye. The handler did the best job possible with the dog, but the dog just didn't seem interested in following its lead. With Weims, it has to be their idea, not yours. I felt the opposite about the German Shorthaired Pointer. It was a beautiful dog and seemed to be well trained and enthusiastic about doing the show.

I got really irritated with the announcers' commentary. We know golden retrievers and labs are very popular dogs and that they haven't won best in show in recent years. The lab that was best in breed was an example of how the show fanciers are ruining the breed. It was too stocky and heavy compared to many of the labs seen where I live. I live in an area where there are a lot hunters and the leaner, longer legged, and more refine head field type are more common both for hunting and companion dogs. I live in some of the best pheasant hunting area in the US and in October, hunters from all over the country bring their dogs in. It's not unusual to see beautiful labs, retrievers, pointers, and spaniels in the lobbies of the local hotels waiting for their people to get going to the local fields. These are purebred animals that have received special training and I wouldn't be surprised if they competed in hunting field trials as well. Most of them are probably eligible for the show ring, too. There's no excuse to have the divide between the show and field lines, especially when some of the characteristics that the show line rewards aren't good for the dogs in the long run.
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