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[cyberducks]

Well, if Lauren is the sniper that kills Lazarey as some spoilers have said, I don't see that as grounds for lovey doveyness between Lauren/Sark. Sark's feelings for his dad seem very fucked up, but that doesn't mean he would take kindly to the person who killed him.

[kenyaj]

I don't ever, ever, ever want to see Lark on my screen, but I don't think it's so farfetched that Sark might get involved with Lauren even though she killed his father. I mean, dude tortured Lazeray with a blowtorch.

I can see why Vaughn would never kill Irina for his dad's death, why Sydney would never forgive Sark for his role in Francie's death, and why Dixon would never get involved with Allison Doren. But they all loved the person who was murdered - a lot. And I'm not saying that Sark is heartless, but judging by the look on his face when Lazeray told him he was pathetic, I don't think he'd be that broken up about someone killing the old man.

[LegallyBlonde]

I wouldn't put it past Sark to hire Lauren to kill his dad.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if he did the deed himself. "Goodbye, Daddy."

[babysister]

Well, if Lauren is the sniper that kills Lazarey as some spoilers have said, I don't see that as grounds for lovey doveyness between Lauren/Sark. Sark's feelings for his dad seem very fucked up, but that doesn't mean he would take kindly to the person who killed him.

This storyline would mirror the parallel in the S/V story whereby her mother killed his father, and the two respective kids still managed to lust after one another. Not very original, I admit, but right up JJ's alley's well-traveled path of how-somebody-in-my-family-killed-somebody-in-your-family-but-love-can-overcome-our-differences.

[Jinnie]

And I'm not saying that Sark is heartless, but judging by the look on his face when Lazeray told him he was pathetic, I don't think he'd be that broken up about someone killing the old man.

I thought Sark was angry enough at Syd for killing Daddy Dearest that he tattled-taled on her to Connie?

Edited by Jinnie, Jan 1, 2004 @ 3:29 PM.

[kenyaj]

I forgot about that. :-) At the time, it seemed like he was upset about losing the father he never got to know, but then he had that whole speech about how he did know Lazeray for a short time and how Lazeray was physically abusive. Color me completely confused.

[cjgurl427]

And I'm not saying that Sark is heartless, but judging by the look on his face when Lazeray told him he was pathetic, I don't think he'd be that broken up about someone killing the old man.

I thought Sark was angry enough at Syd for killing Daddy Dearest that he tattled-taled on her to Connie?

Maybe he wasn't pissed at Syd for taking away the father he never knew. Maybe he was angry because Syd took away his opportunity to get vengeance on his abusive father. It seems like a very Sarky thing to do - wanting to kill his abusive father himself. Sooo, when Lauren kills his father, he'll be angry at her. Which will hopefully prevent any Larkness.

Actually, my perspective on the whole Lark thing is that I wouldn't mind it if it was just a one-time thing, like emotionless sex, and Sark was using Lauren. I'll take Nekkid!Sark wherever I can get it; I'll just block the COW out of the screen with my Stoli bottle.

But if it turns out to be some kind of long-term, emotional relationship....not only is that so frickin' OOC for Sark and Lauren (actually, I won't say it's OOC for Lauren, because Lauren doesn't seem to have any character to begin with) but it saddles the coolest character on this show with a whiny-ass bitch that 99% of the audience hates. I don't just want the V/L ship gone. I want Lauren gone.

[VGMan]

Quiet Harmony. : P

If so, then I give up. We've seen Syd at her lowest, and frankly, I couldn't be more disappointed if that was the rest of the season. I think instead there is something bigger going on, and one cna only hope we get atleast one dang clue in the next episode. Maybe we can find out who the Covenant actually is...

[ostentatious]

I'm a relatively new viewer (watched the S1 DVDs when they came out, over the past few weeks watched the S2s and then downloaded all the S3s) so bear with me because I've only been obsessing over this show a short time, but rewatching Succession last night, particularly in light of the latest promo photos on Alias-Media that show Sydney sitting behind a desk with her hands folded politely and a lunch tray in front of her, light-bulbed something for me. What if the doctor who told her she was his favorite, she never broke, etc., wasn't someone who was involved with her during the last two years, but rather was someone who was involved with her as a child? Those promo pics just look so like a compliant little schoolgirl waiting for instructions.

I have always (read: since September, when I first saw it) thought that Jack's hypnosis nightmare of Sydney saying "It's only a matter of time until I find out" was weirdly intense, if the payoff was only either A. That her mother was a spy or B. That he'd given her a little spy home schooling just after her mom left. And though I love Jack, I suspect him of having an agenda, possibly a Rambaldi-related one, if only because any time a group of writers have multiple characters go to the trouble of saying, "That Jack, it sure is weird how he's never had any interest in Rambaldi!", it makes me go, hmm. Why do they need to tell me that? That's not a throw away, that's a set up. But for what? Only payoff is, if Jack really *is* interested in Rambaldi. Maybe obsessed with stopping Rambaldi's prophecy, but that's still an obsession. I think Jack would always avoid hurting Syd, but I also think that Jack's definition of the word "hurt" might differ mightily from hers.

The spoilers about DA getting a more prominent and challenging storyline interest me as well. If the doctor *was* referring to stuff he did to Syd when she was a child and Sark was part of the same program (which would explain why the Alias official site suddenly felt the need to adjust ages all around so Sark's not so much younger than all the rest), does that mean he *did* break, if she was the favorite because she never did? And what about Lauren? She's also the child of prominent parents, and she's supposed to have a connection to Sark. She could just be part of the same group of kids. Maybe she's responding to her programming when she assassinates Lazarey. If Vaughn was part of it too and it *is* a brainchild (hee, pun) of Jack's, or at least something of which Jack is aware, that would explain why Jack was all "We can't lose Vaughn" early in S2, which was *bizarre*. And whoa, it would also explain why Jack was so oddly jocular with Sark at the end of S1 when they were making the Will trade, which freaked me out - Jack joking with a terrorist? Has anything ever been said that would contradict or support the idea that Sydney spent time in London as a child? There's no telling what sorts of programming and counterprogramming these kids could've been subjected to, since multiple countries/interests were all stealing each other's testing programs. Ultimately, they're all going to wind up being interested in the same tiny group of children.

Edited by ostentatious, Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:43 AM.

[mojoco]

I think that the big surprise (ala "Phase Two") won't be the tearing apart of CIA or Covenant or whatever. I think what will be tearing apart will be alot more personal, alot more individual. I think the breakdown will be all about Sydney.

Something huge led to this point. I think we're about to see it. Since Vaughn is by far the biggest thing in her life, I'd make a guess to say that seeing Vaughn having sex with Lauren would do just that. Take everything she believed in fall unbearably apart.

I think that for Syd, seeing Vaughn and Lauren have sex would be upsetting, but not exactly earth-shattering-- she knows they're married and that they presumably have sex. Now, if she saw them have sex during her missing two years, THAT would have been earth-shattering for her...but not really for us as viewers. If the big surprise has anything to do with the S/V/L triangle at all, I'd venture to say that it has to do with us-- but probably not Syd, yet-- finding out that Lauren is evil and, presumably, had some sort of ulterior motive for marrying Vaughn.

[Alias Fanatic]

If the big surprise has anything to do with the S/V/L triangle at all, I'd venture to say that it has to do with us-- but probably not Syd, yet-- finding out that Lauren is evil and, presumably, had some sort of ulterior motive for marrying Vaughn.

I could see something like this happening, but I wonder about the dramatic effect. Most of us already hate the Lauren character; knowing she was evil doesn't raise the stakes too much IMO. I know as viewers we would be rooting for Syd and Vaughn to figure it out and I would be glad to have my inklings confirmed that there has to be something more than meets the eye with this damn marriage.

I think b/c I've been contemplating how the producers are going to extricate themselves from the marriage for so long and have been so unimpressed with MG that they are really going to have to come up with a whopper to shock me.

So, if we as an audience find out before Syd and Vaughn do, it wouldn't be totally unexpected, and the notion of Syd and Vaughn learning the truth would be a nice resolution enabling them to express their feelings for one another; but I think they'd tend to let their feelings of relief win out over any grief, dismay, or shock.

[SpyDaddyRulez]

Okay since Kendall's coming back, do you think we're going to get an explanation as to where he went after Sydney called him when she woke up in Hong Kong? He takes her phone call and then disappears into thin air. Or do you think this was a mistake on the creators' part and they're just going to ignore that little glitch?

[Ajadedidealist]

Warning do not read this right before eating!Sloane/Lauren. 

Before I got my S2 DVDs, I was all for that, even though I luff Sloane (even if his name is Arvin, which makes him sound like a friendly squirrel from a childrens' TV program). But now I want him to be with Emily again, he had so much chemistry with her. Swill or SVR is fine with me (I don't like Vaughn at all, but he has great chemistry with Syd, while I love the Will in theory, but there isn't much chemistry), but no matter what, I want the bad-acting, eyebrow-molesting, accent-mutilating piece of Cockney trash out of my screen. Her eyebrows are like leeches sucking all the life out of the show </anti-Lauren rant>

As for spec, I think that Lauren could be a pawn in Sloane's game to resurrect Emily; I could see Sloane trying to use Lauren's body to reanimate Emily's soul or something like that, but that would mean that MG would be playing Emily instead of the abfab AI, so I'm hoping that Lauren can be a pawn without that.

Speaking of pawns...perhaps we could see all of Alias as Sloane's game of chess (think ep. titles, Endgame, etc.) Emily (or Sydney) is the queen sacrificed (2 year loss/death) for Sloane's ultimate plan, and to bring either back to normalcy, Sloane must take a pawn (Lauren) and turn it into a queen..... I'm confusing myself now.

ETA: I just read that as "do not read this right before eating Sloane/Lauren. Now I'm never going to be able to have lunch

Edited by Ajadedidealist, Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:26 PM.

[KarrieK]

Or do you think this was a mistake on the creators' part and they're just going to ignore that little glitch?

I certainly don't think it was intentional on the writers' part. I think they wrote that dialogue at the end of S2 before they had thought fully about S3 and probably before they knew that Kendall/Terry O'Quinn wouldn't be around for the first part of S3.

Do I think they can ignore it? This is Alias, we know that they can. In fact, I think it is fairly plausible that the identification code that Sydney remembered from two years previously would itself indicate that the call should be put through to Kendall, and that there is nothing more to be read into it. But the spoilers about Kendall having information about Sydney's Missing Two Years make me think that the writers might tie that in to him being the one the call was put through to. And there has already been lots of spec earlier in this thread about what Kendall's involvement might have been.

[kenyaj]

I hope the writers address it, much like I hope we get an explanation from Kendall as to why he sent Vaughn to get Syd. Obviously, he couldn't have sent Jack, but he could have sent either Weiss or Dixon instead of her married boyfriend. I have my own theories about why Vaughn was sent -- other than the obvious dramatic reasons -- but I'm dying to see if Syd's going to ask him about that.

[Portobello]

kenyaj... I'd love to know what your theories are about why they sent Vaughn. Would you share??

[Oykamu]

I also want to see Kendall expose that Jack knew Syd was alive and didn't tell Vaughn. I'm pretty sure it's been spec'ed here before that someone (possibly Kendall) locked Jack up to keep him from finding Syd and preventing Syd from completing a mission/fulfilling a prophecy.

They've done a lot of great Vack scenes this year, and I think Vaughn could use a scene where he rips into Jack for not telling him that Syd was alive. I'd like to hear Jack's logic behind such a decision as well.

[kenyaj]

kenyaj... I'd love to know what your theories are about why they sent Vaughn. Would you share??

I did most of my speculating this summer, but I've never been totally convinced that Vaughn actually left the CIA, and I think Kendall somehow knew that. So much about the year (according to JJ) between when Sydney died and when Vaughn met Lauren has been unexplained. We know he wandered around Europe for 6 months, but what about the other six months? Also, I know the show has never portrayed the CIA in a totally realistic light, but there's no way in hell the CIA would let a civilian -- even one with a CIA background -- be responsible for bringing Syd back home before they knew the full extent of what happened to her. Then again, if Kendall supposedly knows everything that happened to Syd, maybe he thought it was okay for her to be with a civilian, though it still seems like the agency would have wanted an active agent to be with her.

Of course, I'm trying to apply real-world sense to Alias, which is always a lost cause.

Edited by kenyaj, Jan 2, 2004 @ 4:36 PM.

[aurora]

I think your questioning makes perfect sense, kenyaj. We really still don't know a lot about what's happened and we're halfway through the season already, it's kind of ridiculous.

I started thinking about this last night, and it's never really bothered me before, but I think that the Vaughns' marriage timeline needs to be explained. So, Syd "died" and Vaughn ran off for 6 months. He takes a couple more months to adjust to his life again, let's say 6. That's a year. When did he meet Lauren? When did they start dating, and when did they get married? How short a time did this all take place in? To me, the whole timing's wonky.

[kenyaj]

Just before the season began, JJ said in an interview that Vaughn met -- not married -- Lauren a year after Sydney died. So even though the timeline has never been explained on the show, I'll take JJ's word for it. Still, it would be nice to know how long they dated before getting married. I'll venture to guess it wasn't very long at all, which will probably be explained in the second half of the season.

[cjgurl427]

Just stumbled upon this at the wundiffle IMDb.com. Terry O'Quinn has a black belt in karate, was a golden gloves boxing champ in his early 20's, and was once a bodyguard.

How the fuck has this not been used yet? I would LOVE to see Evil!Kendall fighting, say, Jack. It's not like there's going to be a Sloane/Jack fight any time soon (no offense to Ron Rifkin, but...yeah...).

Edited by cjgurl427, Jan 3, 2004 @ 8:27 PM.

[SpyDaddyRulez]

Thanks to the wonders of Tivo, I was able to revisit "The Two" and "Succession" and the man who was "killed" by Julia is so obviously not the same "Lazarey" as has been portrayed in the last two episodes. Any idea as to who he is and how he was identified as Lazarey. Do you think he's working for the Covenant?

[ostentatious]

I noticed that too, but I figured it's actor availability. It just seemed too tricksome to be a thing, but who knows?

Edited by ostentatious, Jan 4, 2004 @ 9:03 AM.

[muffinkath7]

Hi everyone!

I'm new here, so I don't know if anyone's posted this spec yet, but after rewatching Seasons 1 and 2 with my sister this past weekend (well, mostly just the Vaughn scenes! <grin>) we started thinking about Lauren and how much we despise her. Anyway, one thought...Perhaps Vaughn has been working for the CIA all along and married Lauren because he knew she was some kind of mole, ala Irina? The marriage is not about love, but she married him to get info about Syd, he and Kendall suspected it, and that is why Vaughn allowed the relationship to be pursued?

Also, I loved the spec a few pages ago that when Vaughn told Syd that "she started answering back" it might have really been Syd, as Julia. That is a great one.

Forgot one thing...the other thing we thought of was that maybe Syd was in on the plan to have Vaughn marry Lauren all along, during one of her "visits." Which would explain Vaughn's sadly lacking guilt and angst. If Syd voluntarily had her mind erased (as was done to the children in the Project Christmas stuff, which I just rewatched - not that that was voluntary), then he wouldn't have to be guilty. He knew she'd know the truth eventually.

Edited by Regina: Don't double post. Just hit the "edit" button above your original post and edit the original. Thanks.

Edited by Regina, Jan 5, 2004 @ 10:05 PM.

[SpyDadFan]

Once again, Wan-duh proves that she knows naught of what she speaks. She mentions "scantily clad" Jack in ep 11...but the promo pic that we've all been drooling over is from ep 12.

Unless...*gasp*...could he be scantily clad in two episodes?

It would be a freaking miracle, but it works for me...

[kenyaj]

Not to mention that a tank top isn't nearly "scantily clad" enough.

[caroline2]

muffinkath7, that's an awesome theory (Vaughn married Lauren knowing she was an mole). It'd be somewhat of a rip-off of the Christian Slater character's storyline, but I think it'd be a way out of this mess that everyone could be satisfied with.

[cyberducks]

IR looks terrific in those pictures. Love the hair! Oh, and what is it with the Derevko women sticking sharp objects into mens hands! Must be genetic.

[ransmom]

I was thinking the same thing cyberducks. Jack has some luck getting involved with women who hurt people as a hobby....