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Posted Mar 14, 2004 @ 12:33 AM

Anybody see tonight's episode: TLC The Final Chapter? Why oh Why did my VCR die? Hopefully they will put it on DVD.....

They did a great job of describing what the girls went through in Lisa's final days and after her death. T-Boz's daughter is sooo cute; but no mention of Chilli's son.

I didn't know that Lisa orchestrated that whole missing situation for publicity. It also sucked that Arista refused to release her solo debut here. I got a copy and I liked it! Maybe she wouldn't have run off to Suge Knight and Tha Row.

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Posted Jun 17, 2004 @ 8:59 AM

I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet, but there's finally a Guns N'Roses "Behind The Music." It premieres July 5.

Anyone want to guess which of the Guns N'Roses members (past and present) did interviews for this?

Here's who I think probably did interviews: Former members like Slash, Duff McKagan, Matt Sorum, Steven Adler and possibly Gilby Clarke.

I'll be shocked if Axl participated by doing an interview because he's rarely done an interview in the past several years. VH1 would be hyping this "Behind The Music" more if Axl did an interview for it. I'm guessing that Izzy Stradlin probably didn't do an interview either, although I could be wrong about that.

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Posted Jun 17, 2004 @ 9:02 AM

I think everyone but Axl will do it. The others need to promote Velvet Revolver.

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Posted Jun 17, 2004 @ 11:07 AM

I guarantee you that Axl didn't do it. After all, that would mean he'd be part of a show that is probably going to have some less-than-kind things to reveal about him, and he can't have THAT. I would think that Izzy participated, tho, and I'm DEFINITELY looking forward to some good quotes from Slash.

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Posted Jun 26, 2004 @ 5:11 PM

My digital cable TV Guide had the Guns N'Roses Behind the Music listed before it was postponed until July 5. According to the listing, the people interviewed include Slash, Steven Adler, Gilby Clarke, Mike Clink (Guns N'Roses producer), and Tom Zutaut (the guy who signed GNR to Geffen Records).

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Posted Jul 4, 2004 @ 2:38 PM

For some reason VH1 showed the program today while showing commericals listing its premiere as tomorrow. They did the same thing with 40 Greatest Reality Moments.

It was a good hour if only to hear all the music and see clips from the videos. Nothing new or exciting was brought up. They all did lots and lots of drugs and everyone hated Axl who slowly but surely went apesh**t crazy. Axl was not interviewed but they showed clips from old interviews he gave. Slash's interview made up half the show and all I have to say is that while I will always love him he needs to give up the backwards baseball cap and go back to the top hat, he's much hotter that way.

I'm still trying to decide whether I should plop down the money for the Velvet Revolver CD.

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Posted Jul 6, 2004 @ 7:29 AM

I agree with those who say BTM sort of jumped the shark when it profiled more modern artists--those without enough history to be worthy--and it started acting as a promotional tool. But there were still good episodes. I don't have to see an artist go through tragedy, but I do want an fleshed out history.

However, the real reason we don't see much BTM anymore is because of the regime change at VH1. VH1 sort of lost their focus a few years ago, started playing movies that had nothing to do with music, and BTM sort of disappeared. Later, I read an interview with the current manager of VH1--he said the show was boring and it was just people talking, and that he heard the announce in commercials for cars, and said "how boring", so he killed the show, and replaced it with the (IMO) crappy pop-culture shows we see now.

I suspect the ones we are seeing--Britney, Spice Girls, TLC: Final Chapter, and G'N'R were actually completed for the 2002 season until the bomb dropped, and that they are saving them for when the act actually has some relevant news, or there's an anniversary or something. I saw the G'N'R one and it looks like the stuff about Velvet Revolver was just tacked on at the very end to "update" it.

It's too bad...I miss it. I loved this show and "Where Are They Now"? They should show reruns. VH1 abandonded their musical root and now they are just an e-wannabee.

BTW--A good show that featured Velvet Revolver and gave insight into the music industry was a recent Frontline, which you can watch here.

The Day The Music Died

Edited by JRT, Jul 6, 2004 @ 7:30 AM.


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Posted Jul 6, 2004 @ 8:27 AM

To add to Rydell's list, there was also Matt Sorum (who replaced Adler), a roadie/babysitter that was featured a lot, a publicist with an accent and an early manager, who introduced Adler & Slash to Izzy & Axl.

Steven Adler was incredibly sad - he looked horrible and I assume his speech is affected from the stroke.

I wish there would have been something from Izzy & Duff.

It was a great, old fashioned BTM, in my opinion. One I actually rewatched and felt a fair, no, great amount of nostalgia. I am old.

Edited by skagirl77, Jul 6, 2004 @ 8:29 AM.


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Posted Jul 6, 2004 @ 10:57 AM

I think I've seen every Behind the Music episode and the Guns 'NRoses episode was very mediocre. There was NOTHING in it that hasn't already been reported. [sarcasm] Oh gee, the guys in the band had alcohol and drug problems? Earth-shattering news! [sarcasm]

They also left out a lot of dirt from the early '90s such as:

*Axl being arrested for hitting a female neighbor over the head with a glass bottle. They were arguing because she thought he was playing music too loud.

*The alleged physical abuse Axl inflicted on Erin Everly and Stephanie Seymour. (They later sued him for it abut those cases were settled out of court.) The BTM episode didn't even mention Stephanie Seymour at all.

*Guns N'Roses demanding that if they were going to do any interviews, the journalists would have to sign a contract saying that the band (Axl) would have final control how the article was written. This contract was considered a huge joke, and no reputable journalist would sign it. Spin magazine even did a huge article mocking the contract. A lot of the journalists who ridiculed the contract were singled out by Axl in the song "Get in the Ring."

*The Axl Rose/Vince Neil feud. I know it was a stupid feud but it was big news in the rock world back then.

*Izzy Stradlin being arrested for urinating in the aisle on an airplane.

*The lawsuit Steven Adler filed against the band for payment of royalties. (He won but he later said he blew the money on drugs.)

I'm old enough to remember all this stuff. I even remember when Steven Adler was on the tabloid TV show "Hard Copy" in 1996, talking about his stroke and how he had to move back home with his mother because he was broke. He looked terrible back then too.

Edited by Rydell, Jul 6, 2004 @ 11:03 AM.


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Posted Jul 6, 2004 @ 4:16 PM

I do agree that a lot was left out and of any that should be 90 minutes, this one was way up there. But it was a relief not to see some flash in the pants current star.

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Posted Jul 6, 2004 @ 9:08 PM

The thing that sucks is that BTM never used to profile a band unless everyone participated (those that were alive, that is). I remember when Peter Cetera didn't get interviewed for Chicago (which was a great episode, BTW), and that sucked. I wanted to hear from Izzy and that wackjob Axl and where the hell was Duff?

Surprisingly, I thought Steven Adler looked better than I thought he would.

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Posted Jul 7, 2004 @ 9:02 AM

I agree the Guns N' Roses BTM was pretty general, though it was good to see the guys.
They mentioned Axl's out of control ego, but they didn't mention his manic-depression and the alleged molestation by his stepfather that you'd know even just from reading Rolling Stone.
I would have liked more "Where are they now?" stuff aside from just Velvet Revolver. Both Duff and Slash for instance, are currently married with kids. I'd like to know if Slash still collects snakes.
I was watching "When Metal Ruled the World" the other night and found it even more amusing to see Vince Neil bitching about the rise of grunge/ alternative now that Scott Weiland is in a band with three Gn'R guys. I guess it all comes together in the end.
piratequeen, the VR cd is pretty good. I picked it up for $10 at Kmart the first week it came out, mainly as a show of support. I'm sure you can get it on sale.

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Posted Jul 8, 2004 @ 6:13 PM

Thanks for the tip jackiecarr! If nothing else the BtM refueled my Slash love so I'm going to have to break down and get the CD.

I was a little surprised they left the whole Stephanie Seymour/Axl saga out as well as some of Axl's other less then pretty moments. They by no means painted a nice picture of the guy but I still felt like they were holding back on A LOT.

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Posted Jul 8, 2004 @ 6:20 PM

Was Behind the Music responsible for an episode about "The Day The Music Died" (Buddy Holly/Ritchie Valens/The Big Bopper)?

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Posted Jul 8, 2004 @ 6:40 PM

I think I've seen every Behind the Music episode and the Guns 'NRoses episode was very mediocre


Agreed. The first 10 minutes were so random and all over the place until it dawned on me that it was the introduction. But still, it wasn't very well done. It was boring, really.

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Posted Jul 8, 2004 @ 7:00 PM

I was a little surprised they left the whole Stephanie Seymour/Axl saga out as well as some of Axl's other less then pretty moments. They by no means painted a nice picture of the guy but I still felt like they were holding back on A LOT.


Honestly, I thought they left a lot of that stuff out to avoid being sued by Axl. He has proven to be hyper-sensitive and sue-happy, and if they had covered anything negative about him that hadn't been completely documented (like the two riot incidents were), I can almost guarantee you that he would have sued.

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Posted Jul 8, 2004 @ 7:10 PM

They also left out in the early 90's when Duff's pancreas exploded from his drinking.

Is there a good book about G n R? Particularly the early years.

Embarrassing secret: Long long ago, I was first attracted to Mr Chili because he looked like Steven Adler, who I used to crush on. I thought it was sadder to hear him than see him. He reminds me of the member of Jan & Dean who was in the car wreck.

Adler still looks pretty cute, and is aging pretty well. I've seen many 40-year-olds who don't look as good and they haven't had a stroke before.

I would have liked more Where Are They Now info too.

This band really should have been covered in a BTM 2-part eppy (or 10-part miniseries!?) with all the tales that there are to tell.

Edited by stlouischili, Jul 11, 2004 @ 9:13 PM.


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Posted Jul 9, 2004 @ 9:58 AM

stlouischili,
This book is pretty good, it was written in 1991, so no recent stuff: Guns N' Roses: The Most Dangerous Band in the World


This is also a great photo book by Robert John, their official photographer.: Guns N' Roses: The Photographic History


When Slash's Snakepit was opening for AC/DC in Aug. 2000 I got through to talk to him and the band on a radio call-in show. So of course I immediately did a fan-girl freakout and babbled about how I've loved him since I was 14. (I was 22 at the time). And he responded with silence. So embarrassing. So I asked a lame question about why he always plays Les Pauls. Of course I'm from grinning ear to ear as I type this. One of the highlights of my pathetic life.

I'm not sure where I first read this, probably MetalSludge.com, but in some interview Steven Adler basically admitted to having sucked dick for beer (and drug) money. I hope it was during those rough pre-fame days. Someone on the Fametracker board posted the same info. I can see Axl not being too cool about that revelation.

Edited by jackiecarr, Jul 9, 2004 @ 2:21 PM.


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Posted Jul 9, 2004 @ 5:16 PM

I'm not sure where I first read this, probably MetalSludge.com, but in some interview Steven Adler basically admitted to having sucked dick for beer (and drug) money.


You know, I sometimes find it hard to feel sorry for certain people, but reading that? Wow. Just...wow. :(

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Posted Jul 11, 2004 @ 9:39 PM

OK, BTM could easily have done a separate eppy on each G n R band member.

Did they do any homework for this special?

In addition to glossing over many, many, many well known incidents that went unmentioned such as Slash & Duff's infamous appearance on the American Music Awards, her is what I found out on Adler just by Googling his name:

--According to Adler, both he and Slash were uh, paid boy toys before Guns N Roses became big

--In addition to his strokes, heart attack, and coma from the same incident, apparently in the 90's he spent some time in the pokey for drug offenses and assaulting women.

--There is apparently more to his firing for drug abuse than has been told. (It always struck me as strange that Guns and Roses fired a member for excessive drug abuse. Considering the other band members that's almost laughable.) Apparently his firing was engineered by Axl Rose as a result of an overdose of a member of the G 'n R inner circle at Adler's house.

Details on the net are sketchy, but if I found that much in 15 minutes, shouldn't an entire documentary crew be able to come up with this info and expound upon it?

Sorry, I forgot, this is Behind the Music, not 60 Minutes. Still...

Edited by stlouischili, Jul 11, 2004 @ 10:21 PM.


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Posted Jul 12, 2004 @ 8:10 AM

--According to Adler, both he and Slash were uh, paid boy toys before Guns N Roses became big


Adler only mentioned the blowjobs in relation to himself though. Ahem.
'cause Slash blowing anyone is just wrong.

Edited by jackiecarr, Jul 12, 2004 @ 8:13 AM.


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Posted Jul 12, 2004 @ 10:31 AM

RE: Steven Adler

There is apparently more to his firing for drug abuse than has been told. (It always struck me as strange that Guns and Roses fired a member for excessive drug abuse. Considering the other band members that's almost laughable.) Apparently his firing was engineered by Axl Rose as a result of an overdose of a member of the G 'n R inner circle at Adler's house.


I had almost forgotten about that. Yes, there was rumor at the time that Erin Everly had supposedly OD'ed at Steven Adler's house. This was when she and Axl were a couple. The details were sketchy but all I heard was Axl had thought that Steven was the one who had given Erin the drugs. Even if Steven didn't do it, Axl still blamed Steven for Erin's alleged OD since it happened at Steven's house while Steven was there. There was also a rumor that Erin and Steven had once slept together and that was a source of tension between Steven and Axl.

Of course all of this wasn't going to be in GNR's "Behind the Music" because VH1 probably didn't want to get sued over it. VH1 didn't mention a lot of scandalous things about GNR that weren't even rumors but documented facts, like things I mentioned in an earlier message. This has been mentioned before, but VH1 has a policy that all their "Behind the Music" episodes must be authorized by the artist (or the artist's estate if the artist is dead), so that's why "Behind the Music" is often very bland and leaves out a lot of dirt.

In addition to glossing over many, many, many well known incidents that went unmentioned such as Slash & Duff's infamous appearance on the American Music Awards


And I remember that too....all the brouhaha about Slash and Duff cursing on stage, live on the show. It was uncensored only in the Eastern Time Zone and I think Central Time Zone broadcasts. I was living on the West Coast at the time so I saw the censored version. I felt so cheated! :-) I remember Dick Clark and ABC were very pissed off due to the possibility of the FCC imposing heavy fines. I think Slash and Duff later issued a formal apology. Looking back on it now, all the fuss over it was nothing compared to the Janet Jackson Super Bowl mess. But at the time, it was a big deal.

I used to be a huge GNR fan back in the day. I have yet to see a definitive unauthorized biography on the band that really goes into all the dirt. I think people are too afraid to do an unauthorized GNR biography that would reveall all the dirt because they know Axl would sue. Someone mentioned this upthread, but some of the best published "dirt" on the band are the Rolling Stone articles from back in the band's heyday. Axl gave some pretty revealing interviews to Rolling Stone. It seems he later regretted it because shortly after one of the interviews, the band issued that contract telling journalists the band wouldn't give interviews unless the band had a final approval over the article. Of course the contract was pathetic and no reputable journalist would sign it.

DISGUSTING GNR RUMOR WARNING: One rumor that I know VH1 wouldn't ever touch: When Axl was dating Stephanie Seymour, he supposedly make her defecate in a cat's litter box. Wouldn't surprise me if that's true.

Edited by Rydell, Jul 13, 2004 @ 10:28 AM.


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Posted Jul 12, 2004 @ 11:28 AM

Savannah, the porn star who comitted suicide in '94 (she was also the subject of a Rolling Stone profile) dated Slash for awhile and was on Howard Stern once claiming to have slept with one or two other Gn' R members. For some reason her having dated Slash was a big deal. I guess because it was before porn/ musician relationships got really "mainstream" and she was like the Jenna Jameson of her day.

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Posted Jul 13, 2004 @ 10:22 AM

Rock stars dating porn stars wasn't that uncommon or scandalous back then. The reason why Savannah dating Slash was a big deal was she made the relationship very public--she would always talk about it in interviews, and supposedly Slash (who likes to keep his love life fairly private) didn't really like her doing that. She was really in love with him and when he broke up with her and married his first wife Renee, that supposedly sent Savannah over the edge. Savannah was already a heavy drug abuser but supposedly the breakup with Slash was the turning point in her downward spiral.

I remember when Savannah and Slash were dating there was a story going around (even Rolling Stone wrote about it) about her giving him a blowjob at a crowded table while they were at the Scrap Bar in New York. Again, that's something that "Behind the Music" wasn't going to mention.

Edited by Rydell, Jul 13, 2004 @ 10:24 AM.


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Posted Jul 14, 2004 @ 9:43 PM

I know the latest episode was on Guns N Roses but I have a quip about another recent episode: Britney Spears.

Since when has Britney Spears made music? And she's only been out six years. Shouldn't they have changed the show to Behind the CDs?

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Posted Jul 20, 2004 @ 9:48 AM

"Behind the Music" jumped the shark a long time ago. It started really going downhill when they did episodes on Matchbox Twenty and Creed, who had only two albums out at the time. And those bands don't have very interesting stories, unless someone thinks Scott Stapp whining about his religious complex is interesting.

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Posted Jul 20, 2004 @ 12:34 PM

I agree with the fucking Creed (gawd Scott Stapp is a fat fuck now), Matchbox 20, Ricky Martin- we all knew he would be a two-hit wonder & they did it really quickly, Britney - who I think has had an updated one - all indications of leaping over the shark. I'd add the extended version Biggie Smalls received, too, and the Aerosmith one, which touched on fluff points yet took until the last season to do. I might piss some people off, but really, Aaliyah's was sort of extraneous- if she hadn't died, would she have gotten one?

I thought the Drivens were a great alternative if they really wanted to blow smoke up the new artists' butts. I hope they can do some good original programming for their target audience now that the teen pop thing seems dead in the water.

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Posted Jul 20, 2004 @ 1:16 PM

I agree with both of you. I liked BTM so much better when they all focused on once-popular bands or bands that are still around but have been going for years. Even the more obscure ones, like the ones on The Cult or Cat Stevens, were entertaining because you knew someone either died or converted or was on drugs. We know every tidbit about Titney's life... WHY would they need to do a BTM?

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Posted Aug 17, 2004 @ 5:54 PM

There will be a new "Behind the Music" episode premiering August 22. It will be about George Michael.

Edited by Rydell, Aug 17, 2004 @ 5:54 PM.


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Posted Aug 23, 2004 @ 8:10 AM

I loved last night's George Michael BTM -- had everything I could need: superstar, super heartbreak, super scandal and two super HOT guys. Could Kenny Goss be more more cute?! The narrator mentioned Goss owned sporting goods stores? I wonder which ones -- anyone know?

Not having been a listener of his since the "Faith" tour (yes, I saw it -- and had a huge crush on him back then), I was glad they played some of his music during the program I missed during the years after "Faith." The guy can sing - it's too bad I'm not a fan of more soulful stuff. I had forgotten that it was GM's legal battle with Sony that more or less derailed his career and not so much the public bathroom incident that did him in. Glad to know he's still popular overseas though -- seems like a decent enough guy. Though, if I were him, I'd lose that stubble beard thing. I thought that went out went when Miami Vice went off the air.