....is drop-dead sexy when he's angst-ridden...
Benjamin McKenzie: If James Dean had worked for Fox
Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 11:47 AM
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Daytime. And Nighttime.
Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 8:37 PM
MMMMmmmm...McKenzie at dawn....or dusk....sigh
Posted Jan 9, 2004 @ 4:00 PM
This is the first time I've posted in this thread, but I have a "proud to love the O.C." moment re: Ben McKenzie...
I just got a new roommate and it turns out she went to UVA with him. They were in a couple of plays together, went to a couple of cast parties, and she drunkely insulted his height. I convinced her to watch the show for the first time this past wednesday. Her reaction? "He's really good! This show is a lot better than I expected!"
Ah, the joy of passing the O.C. on!
Edited by kth201, Jan 10, 2004 @ 8:05 PM.
Posted Jan 9, 2004 @ 7:24 PM
I'm all trying to be sophisticated and mature, look like the poised, intelligent intern that I am, with insightful commentary, and we're talking about playwriting versus screenwriting.
He starts talking about the legal dispute over Lord of the Rings and writing credits, and tells me about a guy he knows who he thinks is involved in the whole thing.
He's halfway through the story before he tells me that he's talking about Robert Schenkkan! As in, Ben McKenzie (Schenkkan)'s uncle Robert Schenkkan! (Him: "He wrote 'The Kentucky Cycle'". Me: "Oh, right, right." Because I actually did know that. Me: "And he won the Pulitzer, didn't he?")
Apparently Schenkkan is somehow involved in the Writer's Guild disputes in LOTR? Go figure. I hadn't heard that anywhere else. I googled it and I think he might have been confused and it was The Last Samurai instead.
Being the poised, intelligent intern that I am, I did not start screeching, "Oh my god! You know Ben McKenzie's uncle!"
(I merely kept it to myself. But it was difficult. Heh.)
This is like connection number sixteen that I have to Ben. Oh, well.
Hey McKenzie, they're getting scary again!
Posted Jan 9, 2004 @ 8:19 PM
I'm so mad about the boy that I read about his relatives! Seriously, The Kentucky Cycle is amazing.
Extensive documentation filed with Monday's complaint shows that Interscope paid Eddy as the original writer of a script called "Eastern Western." Eventually, according to the complaint and accompanying documents, Interscope hired a second writer, Garner Simmons, who rewrote the script, by then retitled "West of the Rising Sun." After that, the script fell to a third writer, Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright Robert Schenkkan.
In the mid-1990s, the complaint says, director Vincent Ward became involved with the project. Ward, according to the complaint, then gave a draft of the "Rising Sun" script to Zwick, who directed the Civil War drama "Glory." Zwick said that first version he read involved a Westerner leading a cattle drive across Japan, rather than the solider eventually played by Cruise.
Ultimately, Zwick joined Herskovitz and "Gladiator" writer John Logan in writing the "Last Samurai" script for Warner Bros. and what had by then become Radar. Warner submitted to the guild a tentative list of credits that failed to include Eddy's name (or, for that matter, Simmons' or Schenkkan's).
Posted Jan 9, 2004 @ 11:41 PM
I have got to read The Kentucky Cycle. Is it really about Kentucky? Is that a stupid question?
So I guess Schenkkan's writing for film and not stage these days? Yep, that pretty much goes along with the whole discussion that I had over breakfast this morning... darn it.
Still, he was smart enough to tell Ben that The OC was the role of his lifetime. Good uncle.
Posted Jan 10, 2004 @ 4:05 AM
I think he has before. He wrote the screenplay for "The Quiet American," with Michael Caine and Brendan Fraser.
So I guess Schenkkan's writing for film and not stage these days?
Being utterly ignorant of the theatre world... how would I get my hands on "The Kentucky Cycle" to read it? If I remember right from when it was here in LA, it's really, really long, as in 6-hours-needs-an-intermission long, which suggests that it probably won't be making a come-back any time soon. And, yes, I think it's really about Kentucky, or several generations of a family in Kentucky.
Posted Jan 10, 2004 @ 11:50 AM
Posted Jan 21, 2004 @ 4:51 AM
He sounds like a very nice boy (yeah, I'm younger than he is and yet I sound like a grandmother), but more importantly, and more so than the Russell Crowe resemblance, I think he looks like my (former) favorite figure skater, Alexei Yagudin. It's gotta be those chubby cheeks.
Posted Jan 21, 2004 @ 11:22 AM
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Posted Jan 21, 2004 @ 7:31 PM
I know I'm gonna get a smackdown on these boards for even mentioning this but I can't decide whether Ben McKenzie can act or not. I'm in Australia where evil channel nine has only shown three eps but from what I remember the guy only has one facial expression. Shifty eyes and sideways looks seem to be employed in place of actually emoting.
I do really like the show and Joanna's recaps have kept me enthralled but nobody else has really mentioned this criticism of BMcK and I thought here would be the place for it. Am I alone? Because everyone I've mentioned it to in RL has agreed with me and I thought perhaps there were some lurkers out there too scared to face the wrath of all you BMcK fans.
Edited by gingerfirst, Jan 21, 2004 @ 9:48 PM.
Posted Jan 21, 2004 @ 11:27 PM
Posted Jan 21, 2004 @ 11:32 PM
But examine The Gamble more carefully, gingerfirst. When Dawn- oh, in the Poolhouse when he says she left a note, and then the wave when she leaves- too much. Look closer, truly- he does a lot with a little.
Edited by crimsonclad, Jan 21, 2004 @ 11:33 PM.
Posted Jan 21, 2004 @ 11:43 PM
That said, I am very much not one of them. I think he's an insanely good actor, and for all of the reasons that jjfruits and crimsonclad have already mentioned. I honestly don't get the complaints about his acting, but to each his (or her) own.
Posted Jan 22, 2004 @ 3:13 PM
In the conversation with Oliver, you can *see* Ryan willing his fury to stay in control. Not only does a vein in his neck throb rather convincingly, but everything - the tense way he held himself, the jaw, his tight but angry "I'm not going to let this happen" - just screams that his emotions are right under the surface and it's taking everything he has to keep them in check. I think "holding back serious anger" is even harder to portray than serious anger itself, and it was an incredible job from the actor. Not to mention the broken, hysterical demand/plea to leave Marissa alone. BMcK just rocks every scene he's in six ways to Sunday, IMHO.
Posted Jan 23, 2004 @ 1:11 AM
Its so strange to now watch Access Hollywood, and ET and these forums and see him as a pin up hunk. Takes me back to the days of high school, which is not that long ago, he is Class of '97.
Posted Jan 23, 2004 @ 8:24 AM
I am currently trying to download (naughty I know) episodes because I hope to be proven wrong.
I must say that hasn't stopped me from becoming a teeny tiny bit obsessed with BMck - he's just so darn smart and that article in which he did the whole "five words to describe yourself" tipped me over the edge. If worst comes to worst I shall just have to read the recaps and settle for pictures on the web. God, how sad am I?
Posted Jan 23, 2004 @ 8:42 AM
Very engaging, intelligent and amusing, my only problem with him is that as Ryan I (very unfortunately) cannot interpret his "emotions" at all.
This seems odd to me, because I can totally read him all the time (as can most of the Ryan threaders, if I may speak for them). I haven't done a study on it or anything, but I'd guess that Ryan (BMcK) probably has the least lines per screen time ratio of all the cast; he doesn't say much. But he conveys a LOT with just his face, IMHO. Angst!Ryan, Happy!Ryan, Brooding!Ryan, PinkPanther!Ryan, Chino!Ryan, Sexy!Ryan... you get the idea.
And Natalita, lucky much? You MUST share some anecdotes, gossip, casual observations, anything. Anything. You MUST! I'm afraid it's, uh, mandatory for posting at TWoP. Yeah... that's right, ah, mandatory. So spill!
Posted Jan 23, 2004 @ 10:55 AM
I just had no idea Ben acted. He played football, and hung out with "in" crowd, as far as I know. He was nice enough, had the same haircut as he does now. He was not a troubled kid at all, pretty easygoing actually. And funny. His brother was the actor, I was in a silly Middle school play with his younger brother, and he was the actor one. I read he went on to study theater in Yale. But BEN???? I never saw that one coming. What I cant get over is that he was jsut a standard guy from school, nice but not anything to write home about. Cute, but not the school hunk. And now I see him on TV, and he is so believable as the brooding, deep Ryan Atwood, and he all of the sudden seems so hot now. What a missed opportunity. Let this be a lesson to you, the standard guys in high school go on to be famous.
Posted Jan 23, 2004 @ 12:51 PM
If you didn't already believe this, just wait until your 20th (or 30th or...) class reunion. You'll be amazed.
Let this be a lesson to you, the standard guys in high school go on to be famous.
Posted Jan 23, 2004 @ 2:02 PM
I'm in Australia where evil channel nine has only shown three eps but from what I remember the guy only has one facial expression. Shifty eyes and sideways looks seem to be employed in place of actually emoting.
Not that Benjamin's acting needs defending, but... I'd like to add my two cents in for Gingerfirst.
Keep watching, trust me, your Ryan/Ben love will soon surface!
In upcoming episodes watch for his reactions to people. Those sideways glances are what people do when they don't trust other people's motives or kindness.
You'll see expressions of fear, longing, pent up anger - sometimes all in one look! I don't know many actors or actresses that can pull that off.
I didn't necessarily see the subtelties at first either because it was a new show and was watching for content but then I started to notice his ability to portray raw and honest emotions in just a look/glance.
That is the reason many of us are now obsessed with the show and Ben in particular. As you've noticed, the boards are filled with love for Ryan Angst/Happy/Chino - in all different flavours!
It is a testament to Ben's acting skills that we have vested many hours pouring over his character's background, who he is, where he's come from, his home...on and on it goes.
Of course, it goes without saying, pretty much everyone on the show is great. Josh Schwartz and company have put together a very talented group that work well together.
BTW, Ben said himself he's still pretty new at acting and is learning on the job.
I'll watch him learn!
Posted Jan 23, 2004 @ 2:39 PM