Posted May 6, 2004 @ 4:17 AM
Anyways, another guilty pleasure and a gateway anime drug. My favorites included Jupiter and Venus.
Posted May 6, 2004 @ 9:44 AM
Posted May 7, 2004 @ 8:42 AM
I've only seen the U.S. Version. I heard one of the season one villains (Zoicite, I think) is a gay man in the Japan version, so they changed him to a her for the U.S.
Is that true?
Posted May 7, 2004 @ 9:16 AM
Edited by Klitch, May 7, 2004 @ 9:16 AM.
Posted May 7, 2004 @ 9:42 AM
This is what I get for losing intrest when it was on CN.
Posted May 7, 2004 @ 12:46 PM
Posted May 7, 2004 @ 1:53 PM
Posted May 7, 2004 @ 2:04 PM
*pets her pretty VKLL fansubs*
Posted May 9, 2004 @ 12:09 AM
Posted May 9, 2004 @ 12:52 PM
Funimation? That would be interesting, but Toei seems to be holding onto this show for some reason.
Edited by SafetyGirl, May 9, 2004 @ 12:53 PM.
Posted May 9, 2004 @ 9:23 PM
I have a website that explain in detail all the changes that were placed in Sailormoon S and Sailormoon SuperS. Let me try to find it.
That's interesting, never knew that.
they could have done what they did in Italy, which was to explain the gender-bending by claiming that when the Starlights transformed they were replaced by their twin sisters.
As for the dark factor with the deaths of the senshi, but the fact is that the they are revive at the end, doesn't that take away the dark factor?
ETA: Anyone read SM fanfics?
Edited by NySoul, May 10, 2004 @ 12:10 AM.
Posted May 9, 2004 @ 9:46 PM
-Rei's father not being a perv.
-All the panty shot sceens were cut out along with all the nudity.
-Attack names and power were changed.
-They called her "serena" throughout the whole series, not usagi.
-"Originally, to make Sailor Moon more "safe" or "moral", I guess, a "Sailor Says" was tacked on at the end of every episode saying some silly, cliche lesson of the day, like "Eat healthy" or "Don't do crazy diets" or "Be nice to everyone". This was NOT in the original anime at all."
also you can read more about this here.
SafetyGirl wow its a small world! you do serve in hush and sm.
Edited by sakurafied, May 9, 2004 @ 9:47 PM.
Posted May 10, 2004 @ 7:35 PM
And yes, sakurafied, I serve many places, depending on whim.
Posted May 10, 2004 @ 9:44 PM
SafetyGirl, you only got the movies on subtitled, but have you seem all the subtitled of all the season? My favorite season has to be Sailormoon S (Outer Senshi) - the Japanese version. I never saw the dub version and never want to.
What are the spoiler rules in here - I know the general spoiler rules, but each thread might have different rules. It seemed like everything after Sailor Super S is considered spoilers right, it just that the Live Action series haven't air here, but it not considered spoilers in here.
Posted May 10, 2004 @ 10:09 PM
I don't watch the live-action series, but I've read summaries and seen pictures. I can't believe they made Luna into a senshi. Cheesetastic. I guess they needed a Chibi Usa substitute. I also really like what they've been doing with Minako. As a favorite of the Inner Senshi, I'm glad they're treating her character more seriously.
Posted May 10, 2004 @ 10:47 PM
Thinking of Haruka and Michiru and all the gay & lesbian undertone in other anime series makes me question why this is case? All Japanese more accepting when it comes to GLBT community than United States or other places?
I don't know if I can ever watch live-action series though, it just seemed so cheesy. I don't know if I can stomach it.
Posted May 10, 2004 @ 11:33 PM
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 7:03 AM
Given that - I probably should research more one this. I'm so out of touch with anime these day and Japanese culture in general. However, it still does surprise to some degree that a lot of anime has GLBT undertone, heck there is even Gravitation, shows that are clearly viewed by children. Yet, in the United States, when will there ever be a gay character in one of the Disney Channel shows or any other shows target toward children and young adult. Most shows are toward older teenagers and older audiences such as: Will & Grace, Friends, Queer Eyes for the Straight Guy. There are two that fully explore the lives of homosexuals including Queer as Folks and the L Word.
Why is this the case? Why it is acceptable for Haruka and Michiru to be lesbians in Japan, but cousins in the U.S.? What cause this differences where one culture has GLBT on shows that are clearly watched by kids while United States it is toward a older demographic?
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 12:27 PM
Our culture is passive-aggressive towards sex, while we revel in violence. In Japan, it's the opposite. Sex is just something people do, while violence is for adults only. It's that worldview that allows for Japanese television to have same-sex relationships in children's shows. There is literature about samurai forming incredibly close bonds with other samurai. Same-sex relationships in literature are nothing new to the Japanese.
Also, one of the core concepts in anime and manga is identity and acting out. The characters are somehow different from their peers, whether they're a magical girl, surrounded by hot alien babes or gay. Anime and manga allows the writers to discuss issues that can't be spoken about comfortably. Death, love, who am I, who do I love and why do I love, what's important to me.
Obviously some of it has to do with cashing in on sexual fantasies. But because manga and anime allows for so much expression of ideas, the Japanese GLBT community simply has their own manga, just as children do, just as women do, just as action-lovers do.
I'll look up more from the article if anyone wants. Right now, some ramen would be nice. Yum.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 3:36 PM
Shinto has a sex-positive ideology and many chaste Buddhist monks didn't regard sex with other males as breaking their vow, so other boys were fair game. And from that comes modern Japan's lax views on homosexuality. I might add that Japan is rather affection-shy, so a man and a woman kissing in public will probably get their share of stares, too. (Heh, I rhymed!)
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 3:47 PM
That makes snese then. While in our culture, children has been desensitize to violence that nothing surprise them anymore. I mean how would parents and maybe even the FCC react if suddenly the next television has GLBT characters on T.V. interacting with straight members. Sorry if this is off topic, but it is interesting to me. However, I do think Japanese even with GLBT visiblility, they don't deal with the issues that GLBT faces.
Our culture is passive-aggressive towards sex, while we revel in violence. In Japan, it's the opposite. Sex is just something people do, while violence is for adults only. It's that worldview that allows for Japanese television to have same-sex relationships in children's shows.
Oh yes, I'm going to go make some ramen noodle now.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 3:49 PM
I used to be huge Sailor Moon fan back in the day. I watched most of the shows dubbed but I managed to get to see the third season (one that introduces Neptune, Uranus and has the heart crystal plot) in Japanese with subtitles.
My favorite character at the time was the much-maligned Sailor Saturn (who, oddly enough did not get an English name. Who knows what the dubbing people smoke) I was impresed by the crazy death-centric super powers and uber tragic background, but then I was a really goth wannabe kid at the time.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 4:01 PM
Uzumaki, does religion has make that big of a difference though. I mean if religion is the key, then why wouldn't other countries with a similar religious background, or one where the main religion is Buddhism be more acceptable toward the GLBT community then?
As usual, it all boils down to religion. We all know that the United States is a heavily Judeo-Christian society, which almost treats sex as a neccessary evil (and here I resist interjecting my own views on the... nevermind) and villifies homosexuality. In Japan, the top 2 religions are Shintoism and Buddhism, with Christianity coming in a distant third.
For example, in India there is little to no visiblility for GLBT on television or the Bollywood industry. One of the few movies was Fire and that was banned btw when it came out and it is still it. The movie was treated as immoral. Even religion played such a big role, wouldn't Asian raise Buddhist or Shinto in United States be more acceptable toward GLBT? But it is not, Asians in the U.S. has this "hush hush" mentality about it. I don't know any other country that as open toward this issue than Japan. It seemed to me more of a culture issue then.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 4:36 PM
Buddhist and Shinto practitioners in the U.S. are still in the U.S. No matter what you believe, if it isn't a popular view, people tend to stay quiet about it.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 4:39 PM
It's Christianity that has largely demonized sex. Judiasm forbids homosexuality but doesn't have Original Sin and among the 936 commandments (or 639, I never remember which) men are enjoined to make sure their wives get regular sex. And Reform Judaism a few years ago officially accepted same-sex couples. Also, fun fact, the parts of the Bible that talk about homosexuality refer to men 'laying with men as women' so technically lesbianism isn't forbidden.
There was also a long and storied history of Samurais enjoying young boys, which would be seen as child prostitution today.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 6:42 PM
OH, but she did: Hoetarrooo, as opposed to Hotaru.
My favorite character at the time was the much-maligned Sailor Saturn (who, oddly enough did not get an English name.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 7:29 PM
Really, Chibi-usa and Hotaru are a better representation of the childs first love style homosexuality. While Chibi-usa falls for a guy (in Pegasus shape) in SuperS and another in it's movie, although I can't remember which at the moment, in Super and the beginning of Stars the closest thing they have to a love interest is each other.
Haruka and Michiru, on the other hand, were never portrayed as a having childish love. Right from the beginning they always seemed serious, for all that Haruka was a flirt with the other girls, and throughout the series their relationship kept maturing. They might be young, but their relationship is no child's first love.
Seiya in Stars is the same. Most people tend to overlook her when pointing out the gay characters in the series, or just mention the Starlights as a group are transvestites. However, for all that they took male form to make their search for their princess easier (and in the manga they didn't even do that), they're still girls in their minds (just like if you wore a gorilla suit as a disguise you wouldn't identify yourself as a gorilla), and over the course of the season she first became attracted to, and then fell in love with, Usagi. And I rooted for her the whole way, since I liked that pairing a hell of a lot better then I ever liked Usagi with Mamoru. This time it does seem to be a childish crush at first, on their first date Seiya acts like your stereotypical little kid that picks on the girl they like just to get attention, but over time it clearly grows beyond that into real love.
Edited by Dei, May 12, 2004 @ 9:53 AM.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 8:13 PM
I just kind of took that to mean they were lesbian cousins. It was far more entertaining that way.
And of course, the infamous change of making Sailor Uranus and Neptune into cousins in order to get around the lesbain overtones of the original.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 9:52 PM
My favorite was Pluto followed closely by Mars and Wicked Lady. I've only seen the Americanized Anime version so I'm not entirely sure what all has been altered. I wish that Wickd Lady and Pluto had been around longer because they were really cool.
Did they alter the way that Zoicite was drawn because I totaly thought that he/she was a woman and I'm usually pretty good at spotting the same-sex couples.
Posted May 11, 2004 @ 10:41 PM
NySoul, no problem. I had fun with the discussion. This is the most I've talked about Sailor Moon or anything related to it in a long time. I kind of miss it, now.