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Posted Apr 5, 2013 @ 11:17 PM

I don't think she was putting Jax first when she cheated on him with Sonny. I'm not sure how we're supposed to see that as better than Brenda's behavior. And Carly's sudden love for Jax rings hollow when she had Sonny frame him in order to keep him away from his daughter, and addition to her grand, "supercouple" love for Todd less than two weeks ago.


Or when she was snickering over Jax's rape while talking to Jason.... Carly's head should just explode out of sheer hypocrisy. She had no business at anything honoring Robin. She hated Robin - treated her like dirt - throwing her HIV up in her face constantly... Carly loves no one but Carly. And once upon a time Jason but I'm shocked at how quickly she forgot him. He was the focus of her life for so long.

I'm only sorry Brenda didn't hit her in the head with a chair instead of a dinner roll.
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Posted Apr 5, 2013 @ 11:22 PM

BTW...did anyone think that Noah was hitting on Bobbie or was it me?


I'm into it. He was kind of doing the same with Anna, though.

While I'm at it, I think that under a better writing regime, I would be 1000% down for a Tracy/Luke/Laura/Scotty/Bobbie/Noah/Anna/Duke love octagon clusterfucky thing.
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Posted Apr 5, 2013 @ 11:35 PM

I don't think she was putting Jax first when she cheated on him with Sonny. I'm not sure how we're supposed to see that as better than Brenda's behavior. And Carly's sudden love for Jax rings hollow when she had Sonny frame him in order to keep him away from his daughter, and addition to her grand, "supercouple" love for Todd less than two weeks ago.

I agree that Brenda should have been more considerate of Jax's feelings, but I do think she was sincere in wanting to be with Jax, believing that Sonny had rejected her. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. She was moving on. I also think she went to see Sonny, not for a second chance, but to rub it in his face. She's not above being petty, as we know. Things changed when she found out that he hadn't read her letter.


I never said Carly put Jax first. I said that if Sonny and Jax both said Carly, I want to be with you, Carly would choose Jax. I think it would remain the same even if Sonny left the mob.....

Carly ruins her relationship with Jax all the time, and I think part of her turns to Sonny/Jason because in a sense I think they feed her insecurity issues. I suspect a part of Carly always felt Jax would end up seeing her for who she really is and leaving.. I think she feels the other two are certainly not better than her and won't leave. Those two are crushes. And Carly wanted Sonny to do whatever to keep Jocelynn but she never told him to go that far.

In terms of Brenda, I think Jax's issues with Brenda, is he knows he's Brenda's second choice. And I think deep down he has a problem with that. The fact that Sonny not receiving Brenda's letters, matters one IOTA bothers Jax..

So that's the difference I think in why Jax is more willing to forgive Carly than Brenda.

In some ways there is a parallel between Carly's reaction to Brenda/Jax and leaving Jax.. I think Carly has the same issues in terms of Jax's feelings for Brenda...

Edited by relynn, Apr 5, 2013 @ 11:36 PM.

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Posted Apr 5, 2013 @ 11:40 PM

I don't understand why they didn't have Sam agree to dance with Anton sooner to at least give a tiny bit of credibility to that dance. We didn't need to see the rehearsals, it just would have made a whole hell of a lot more sense than her being able to whip a fantastic, perfectly in sync dance out in 5 minutes. I still remember the Sam who fell into the couch during that awful dancing with the twin storyline back when she was on DWTS the first time. Hell, I would even have taken a throw away line like "well I did take those dance classes that time to go undercover on a case". ANYTHING to explain how Samantha McCall Morgan could dance like that.

See, I never expected to see it making sense. I never thought they would dwell on it any longer than they did. I mean this event is supposed to honor Robin, and look how that turned out. I think this is more of RC, trying to honor history and tradition, but throwing it into more of the Vickerman premiere like it was said upthread.

Anyway, it didn't bother my enjoyment of the dance in the slightest. Kelly looks awesome, and her smile (which I got utterly sick of hearing about that it was absent on DWTS) was fantastic. Alexis was adorable, as she kind of broke character a little at the cheering. There was some random extra in the background (at least I couldn't figure out who it was, wearing a light blue sparkly dress) that was just clapping like no tomorrow.

I'm actually pretty behind on the week, I've only watched the Sam scenes and a little bit more. Frankly, I'm not wanting to watch the Patrick/Sabrina scenes at all. And I wasn't anywhere near what you would call a Scrubs fan or a Robin fan. But it's just so WRONG.

The dress porn was pretty damn good.

Shut up, Jason. (He's on the marathon right now. Again.)

Thanks for posting the Jonathan clip. I enjoyed seeing it, but I also noticed the strategically placed bible and did an eyeroll.
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Posted Apr 5, 2013 @ 11:59 PM

Jack Wagner killed me dead singing "All I Need." My inner 16 year old (that's how old I was when the song came out) was swooning. I noticed Kristina Wagner tearing up and couldn't help but wonder if it was less about the scene and more about her own memories.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 12:20 AM

I Thought the nurses ball always had some camp. Honestly I will say this. I don't understand why both Jax and Nikolas aren't on the show full time... Both are such great soap opera characters. Jax is the type of leading man, soaps desperatedly need and Ingo pulls it off beautifully...Any other soap would kill for a character like that.

Then add in Nikolas who is a Prince and its believable...Why aren't these two characters on the show full time?
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 12:25 AM

Just watched today's GH and I am with the other poster who stated somewhere above about Jack Wagner singing "All I Need". I also got goosebumps. Such a blast from the past! Takes me back to my teenage days! I had to watch it a few times.
I just wish they at least had Robert at the Nurses Ball. I always loved his and Frisco's friendship. Would have loved to see them together.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 12:32 AM

Then add in Nikolas who is a Prince and its believable...Why aren't these two characters on the show full time?


When Nik was around full-time in the 00's he was often an orange rageaholic with a wandering prick. I think absence has done him a favor.

Edited by steve91199, Apr 6, 2013 @ 12:32 AM.

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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 12:37 AM

Jack Wagner looked like he was in pain during some moments of "All I Need." Don't understand why he was sort of scrunching up his body like that.



This? Is how Jack Wagner sings--has always sung. I believe his only serious competition for histrionic expressions while singing is Meat Loaf. I have always loved listening to Jack, but I cannot watch him. :)

Am I the only one who was really disappointed, just for a second, when Lucy said, "Blackie and the Riff Raff" that it wasn't Sneak Attack?
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 12:50 AM

When Nik was around full-time in the 00's he was often an orange rageaholic with a wandering prick. I think absence has done him a favor.


I'd support a recast.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:03 AM

I don't mind a recast, but mostly if they have a plan for Nik. I don't think they have since the initial story with Stefan in 1996 or 1997. (and please don't revisit the Liz affair)

Edited by steve91199, Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:03 AM.

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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:04 AM

Catching up on some of the marathon and man oh man is Ricky Martin some kind of terrible. Although between his bad Puerto Rican stereotype and Olivia's bad Italian stereotype, I'd kill for them to have a stereotype face off: "We drink Rainforest drinks in Puerrrrrrto RRRRRico!" "I'm Italian, I crap baked ziti for breakfast!"
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:10 AM

I loved watching him and Lily on the airplane, where he seemed absolutely screamish about getting remotely physical with her yet they were talking about having a family and the like. Seriously, Ricky Martin's coming out had to be the least necessary ever.

Jagger/Antonio Sabato Junior really was something to behold in the early/mid-90's, wasn't he? I was a kid then, so I couldn't fully appreciate it, but man. What a specimen.

Edited by MethodActor05, Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:12 AM.

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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:15 AM

Maks and Kelly look really pretty together. If he was a better actor, I would say he could stay for a while and show Sam a good time.


I don't even need him to be a better actor - I'd be all for Maks sticking around and pairing up Anton/Sam.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:22 AM

Today seems to be the first time that Sam looked happy since she was paired with GV's Lucky.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:53 AM

And Carly wanted Sonny to do whatever to keep Jocelynn but she never told him to go that far.


She knows that Sonny always goes too far. I didn't buy her excuse that she didn't know what Sonny would do, and I don't think Jax did either.

I think you're right that Jax has always felt that he came second to Sonny in Brenda's life. I'm not sure that was true. S/B/J was a pretty equal triangle, and Brenda loved both men, differently, but equally.

This latest round was just underdeveloped and unnecessary and trashed the greatness of that triangle.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 1:58 AM

When Nik was around full-time in the 00's he was often an orange rageaholic with a wandering prick. I think absence has done him a favor.


I'd support a recast.


If so, please not Coltin Whatever-His-Names-Were.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 2:02 AM

Fish Tacos Martines? Man his and Shouty McYellerson's Lucky provided one of the brighter spots in my college years due to their unrelenting UCG!
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 2:08 AM

This is to long-term fans of GH. I've been watching soaps since I was a small kid in the 70s. I was always more of a fan of the NBC and CBS soaps. However, I do remember watching GH in the late 70s/early 80s like most every other daytime fan. I honestly haven't watched an episode since the early 80s and just tuned into the current show and the marathon on SoapNet for the 50th anniversary. I'm a sucker for soap anniversary shows. Anyway, some observations from an extremely casual fan. I hope I'm not offensive:

1. General Hospital's premiere episode was surprisingly intriguing to me. Heavy on character, light on plot which is the way I usually like my stories. It actually had me wanting to see the next episode and see what happened to the charcters. Unfortunately, there was a 15-year gap in what we saw on SoapNet. I have a suspicion that the 60s and early 70s(the "missing" years) were pretty awesome storytelling. They were for most soaps during that time period.

2. This will probably be very unpopular among GH fans: I think the Luke/Laura storyline kind of killed daytime soaps. A lot of people blame women going to work and the OJ trial and various other things for being the death of daytime soaps but I really pin the start of it to the Luke and Laura storyline. Ironically, the Luke and Laura wedding storyline brought in the biggest ratings to daytime drama ever, but it started a trend with the campy stories(the Cassadines, the Ice Princess or whatever, etc.) that pushed daytime soaps into a realm of campy, silly, unrealistic storytelling that had each soap trying to outdo each other with the camp in order to get the big ratings that Luke and Laura got. Character-driven, realistic(albeit melodramatic), storytelling got pushed to the wayside on most soaps to the point where years later we had clones, aliens, demon-possessed people, time travel, etc. People tuned out in large part to the absurdity of the storylines.

3. Having said that, I'm actually a fan of camp and I liked watching the wedding episode again. I haven't seen it since it originally aired. I honestly remembered nothing about it except Scotty catching the bouquet but I remember that very vividly. This was before VCRs and I saw that it originally aired in November. I must have pretended to be sick like every other person on that day in 1981! It was great seeing characters I haven't seen in decades. I always liked Lesley. The actress and the character. Whatever happened to them both?

4. I loved the character of Amy! She always kind of bugged me as a kid, but I really liked watching her as an adult and I wish I would have seen more of her. I was very happy that they gave a nod to her and Jessie at the nurse's ball.

5. I think I could watch Steve, Audrey, and(to a lesser extent) Jessie all day long. What likeable characters!

6. Watching the anniversary episodes is very disturbing for someone who hasn't watched since the early 80s. I didn't have the time to gradually get used to the plastic surgery changes over the years like long-term fans did.

7. Elizabeth Taylor's scenes at Luke and Laura's wedding were bizarre. I think she was only paid for five minutes of work. They just stood her by a door and had her give three or four 1940s-style Nora Desmond dramatic expressions. I think she may have had one line and didn't interact with anyone. What was the point? Did she have a camera crew come over to her house and film this in her bedroom?

8. I'm sorry, but I just didn't buy Luke and Laura as a couple. First of all, I can't get over the fact that he raped her. Secondly, the actor seems very homosexual. Especially back in the early 80s. I'm not sure if Anthony Geary is gay and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that if he is, I'm just saying that there seemed to be more sexual tension between Luke and Scotty than Luke and Laura. Of course, that could have been the time period. Everybody seemed a little gay in the late 70s/early 80s.

9. The Alan/Monica/Rick/Leslie storyline was so good that I still remember it after all these years. That was some good storytelling!

10. Although I haven't watched, I've semi-followed the course of the show over the years. It made me sad when they drifted away from the original premise of the hospital and got mob-centric. It always makes me sad when soaps neglect vets and core families. However, GH was never about that as much as it was about the hospital. It seems like GH lost it's way when it drifted from the hospital. They seemed to get back to that. At least for this week. That was nice to see.

Edited by mochilero, Apr 6, 2013 @ 2:13 AM.

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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 3:58 AM

I don't mind a recast, but mostly if they have a plan for Nik. I don't think they have since the initial story with Stefan in 1996 or 1997. (and please don't revisit the Liz affair)

This post has been edited by steve91199: Today, 02:03 AM


The fact that they couldn't have come up with good stories for Nik frankly says it all... As for the Niz affair, terrible terrible idea. I felt Lucky and Nik were the best brother duo in daytime. Hating each other and then eventually becoming best friends.

I think that Liz and Nik as a couple were plausible, but I think the show should have had it as in, Lucky and Liz were broken up for awhile....It would have been a betrayal but far less of one.. But Nik hurting Lucky by sleeping with his fiancÚ was a destruction of his character, I know that the actor has said it too.


To me what made GH exciting was the hospital and then add in the international intrigue with the spies etc. Jax and Nikolas fit in perfectly with that. I'm not saying that there wasn't a place for the mob, but I still feel on any other soap opera Nik and Jax would have been star men. Its why I don't understand the show let either character go. Especially in the Jax case I understand other shows have actually attempted to duplicate the character.. .He's such a goldmine.

As for Brenda, I do think she loved Jax and she did choose him a couple of times. But at the end it was always about Sonny's mob lifestyle. I think Jax leaving her at the altar changed some things.

I think perhaps part of the intrique of Brenda and Carly was that he actually had to win them....

I do think Brenda was always an "idea for Jax."

In general though I still say that deep down the difference between Carly and Brenda is that I do think if you were to tell Carly she could be with any man, she really would choose Jax... (maybe Jason but he's dead. However Jason and Carly inspite of their history became almost asexual).. Whereas Brenda would choose Sonny. And I do think that Jax deep down knows that.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 5:04 AM

This has taken me years to come to this conclusion: while I think Laura Wright is a good actress and I agree with what Hatpin said a long time ago, she plays Carly as she is, a monster (because really why shouldn't she be so smug and self righteous) the combination of her playing Carly makes me intensely dislike her character. I just find her good damn shrill and if Rebecca Herbst has bitch face than Laura Wright has smug face. Though I don't think I would like a pairing with Jax with any of the Carlys. Maybe it bothers me Jax is the third long standing popular male character that Carly bore the child of or the fact over the last decade or so everything came so easy for her: she hasn't been an underdog in a very long time. She is a grown up Regina King if Cady and her friends never took her down. It has gotten to the point that I want Jax to have another child with another woman out there somewhere so Carly loses some of her ownership of Jax. Plus I find her voice so damn shrill.

I never got the great love of Carly's life was or is Jax. Oh sure,if she had to between Sonny or Jax, she would pick Jax, but I got more love towards Tony Jones than towards Jax and her feelings for Jax doesn't ring like Luke's 80s/90s love of Laura. I think she loves the idea that someone like Jax chose to devote himself to her and her needs. That after all the shit she has pulled on other men and the women she has alienated, after she caused Liz to miscarry the surrogate baby of Jax, that she snagged Jax, but it isn't about Jax it is about her and her needs and wants (and Guza's writing didn't help one bit). She finally got the daughter she wanted, she can lorded over others, like Robin, that Jax is with her despite the warnings to the contrary. I do think she loves Jax in her own way it just in the CarJax relationship, she expects to come first and first and foremost she thinks she owns Jax and doesn't like sharing.

Jax isn't much better. Carly is someone else that he is rescuing from Sonny, maybe the ultimate rescue. There have been huge blocks of time that Brenda was independent of Sonny, despite her addiction to him, but Carly insists on being incredibly involved in Sonny's life. She uses them sharing children as an excuse, but I think Jax wants (or expects) Carly's interaction with Sonny to be along the same lines as Alexis who only deals with Sonny when she has to.

The only comfort I can take is that if Brenda could love Jax more than Sonny, Jax would be with Brenda in a heartbeat and Carly will never receive the respect from either Jax or Sonny that Alexis gets from both of them.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 6:30 AM

I do see some chemistry there my biggest issue though is how it was done

The writing for Patrick and Sabrina has been really bad but I thought the kiss was very mature and there was chemistry. I think if they tone Sabrina down abit they could be a hot couple together and bring the pretty. I found Robin pretty much sexless and not much more than a girl herself (in the "heat" department) so
I wouldn't mind some hot action for Patrick. Robin was a good doctor and a good mom, but I cetainly wasn't blown away by their love scenes.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 6:50 AM

I'm sorry, but I just didn't buy Luke and Laura as a couple. First of all, I can't get over the fact that he raped her. Secondly, the actor seems very homosexual. Especially back in the early 80s. I'm not sure if Anthony Geary is gay and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that if he is, I'm just saying that there seemed to be more sexual tension between Luke and Scotty than Luke and Laura.

I think its been an open secret for years that Anthony Geary is gay (or bi? He did admit to a fling with Elizabeth Taylor in the 80s). But yes, looking at late 70s/early 80s Luke is more than enough to set one's "gaydar" pinging, almost in an "can't believe I didn't pick that up 35 years ago" way. But those were very different times. And like you, I've no problem with the lifestyle. :o) It's just interesting to see how Geary "butched up" the character of Luke Spencer as time passed.

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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 6:51 AM

mochilero. I don't think that there has been and is no sexual chemistry between Luke and Laura. These are two actors that all types of people have enjoyed watching over the years. However, many of us who preferred the hospital stuff weren't and are NOT thrilled with the 'action' side of the show.

However, after a couple of decades break from watching the show, I am repulsed with the current male lead actor - Sonny/MB - mobster. Neither his looks nor his personality endear me to want to spend a couple of minutes every day with him. Apparently he gets along with the actors and people on the set behind the camera. Luke, however, oozes chemistry with some of the other actors on the show and looks/acts like a fun/smart alecky guy to hand around with for a couple of minutes every day.

Elizabeth Taylor was friggin Elizabeth Taylor. Hit the youtube site and search 'Elizabeth Taylor, GH, Luke and Robert Scorpio. See a drunken Elizabeth and hilarity ensue. YMMV.

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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 7:30 AM

Oh, hell, I'm confused now. I know for a fact that Ian Buchanan had a scene outside of Kelly's where he tells Emma(with either Patrick or Sabrina, don't remember) that she looks just like Robin when she was a little girl. The problem is that I don't remember whether he was Duke or Faison at the time.

It was at Halloween, and it was Faison.

I'm going to assume that Emma doesn't know/understand the whole "fake Duke" thing, so I'll give it a pass either way.


I can easily agree about Emma not knowing about fake Duke and thinking that man was Duke. But here's where I have all sorts of serious problems about Carlivati's (lack of) storytelling, for all the following reasons:

A) During that brief introduction, I don't even think Emma was told "This is Duke."

B) We've only seen Emma meet a man looking like Duke once, so the effusiveness didn't make sense. Having only met him once, especially so many months ago, she wouldn't be all excited and running up to him.

C) If that was the first time real Duke met Emma, how on God's green earth is that moment not given its due emotional resonance, especially from Duke's perspective. Instead, it was only played as a 3-second plot point in the "D-level" story of "Duke wants Anna back, but Anna doesn't know how she feels romantically about Duke."

D) If it wasn't the first time Duke and Emma met and I've been robbed forever of that moment, may all GH writers [insert vitriol about future unemployment lines, having to work with Pauly Shore, or hell.]

9. The Alan/Monica/Rick/Leslie storyline was so good that I still remember it after all these years. That was some good storytelling!

It was. So many credit Luke and Laura for the success of GH in the late 70s. But the storytelling of that quad, and the acting, was off the hook good. That quad is what sucked me into this show waaaaay back when, at an all too young of an age to have been watching. It doesn't get enough of the credit for GH's success, IMHO.

7. Elizabeth Taylor's scenes at Luke and Laura's wedding were bizarre. I think she was only paid for five minutes of work. They just stood her by a door and had her give three or four 1940s-style Nora Desmond dramatic expressions. I think she may have had one line and didn't interact with anyone. What was the point? Did she have a camera crew come over to her house and film this in her bedroom?

Elizabeth Taylor wanted to be a part of the wedding, but TPTB only found out after the wedding had been taped. So, they had to shoot her alone and insert those scenes. She later had scenes with both Tristan Rogers and Anthony Geary.

Edited by Francie N., Apr 6, 2013 @ 8:18 AM.

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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 7:31 AM

I don't even need him to be a better actor - I'd be all for Maks sticking around and pairing up Anton/Sam.


I don't know who he is, having never seen DWTS, but he IS HOT. He can stick around if you ask me.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 7:54 AM

Elizabeth Taylor did several scenes. Most of them are on youtube. She worked with both TG and TR. The out takes are hilarious.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 8:02 AM

I understand how bothered everyone is about this NB to honor Robin not really honoring Robin (from the unfortunate behavior of her friends and family to the relative lack of references to her), but the fact is the actors, writers, director and audience all know Robin's not dead. It mangles everyone's motivations and expectations IRL and as characters. Imagine if several times before Robin's HIV speech during the NB back in the day they'd shown us the REAL test results that she wasn't positive after all. That would change everyone's - both on and off the show - perception of how the show should go. The whole doublethink we have to engage in about dead/ notdead Robin is a ridiculous thing to put the audience thru while expecting them to care and make sense of what's happening.

Jackie Zeman's face is tragic. It's just puffy when she's talking but when she smiles her face goes all doughy and her lips trouty. No more fillers, woman, just stop already.

The best acts were Spin/ Ellie (which my dh caught a few seconds of and commented "Damn, she's gorgeous") and Sam/ Anton. Yes, Kelly broke character but it was well worth it and Sam CAN be that spontaneous and happy, they just haven't let her since her first year or two on the show...remember, she spontaneously slept with two men in one night without showering between.

Good lord, Nancy Lee Grahn was smoking hot...woman clearly bathes every night in cream and the blood of virgins. The show should give Alexis a quick, steamy, entirely random affair with Anton except the sexy would make my TV combust.

Oddly looking forward to Monday even though Friday was just kinda okay.

Fish Tacos Martines? Man his and Shouty McYellerson's Lucky provided one of the brighter spots in my college years due to their unrelenting UCG!


Yes...The HoYay, it was strong in them.

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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 8:26 AM

Can someone please tell me WTF Brenda was wearing????? That dress was beyond hideous and did nothing for her. I swear wardrobe has it in for Marcil. The last time she was on the show, she wore these god awful long skeeved shirts and kept tugging on the sleeves,
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 @ 8:37 AM

Elizabeth Taylor did several scenes. Most of them are on youtube. She worked with both TG and TR. The out takes are hilarious.

She also scenes with many of the regulars when Helena gave the hospital a mega donation. The Hardy's, Lesley, Alan Q, Tiffany, Robert, etc were all there.

The outtakes are hysterical.

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