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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 2:16 PM

I think there is still way too much mob. During March there was 22 episodes and Sonny was in 19 of them.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 4:01 PM

I think there is still way too much mob. During March there was 22 episodes and Sonny was in 19 of them.

It wouldn't even matter if Jason and Sonny were doctors at the hospital, both of these actors just suck the wind out of this show.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 4:44 PM

It blows my mind that after 15+ years on the show, we still don't know Elizabeth's mother's NAME. That's a major fail on the part of the writers,considering how important Liz's father and grandfather are to the history of GH.


Andrea Trent is Mother of Elizabeth and Sarah Webber.

Re: her children being kept by Audrey Hardy; I'm not surprised she is the only mother without a nanny so? Its that or daycare which she's slammed for as well e.g. Monica's statement her children are always in daycare...so I would think her & Starr would bond re: as well as their children being kidnapped.. I would be more interested in a conversation re: coping with the death of their children instead of who sits for them.

This isn't new its always been this way on soaps I just assume they are being cared for its not unusual not to see them on a daily weekly or even monthly basis just when a storyline calls for them especially with GH's budget being slashed several times so drastically. I'm sure Emma won't be seen as much now...

Edited by Darcee, Apr 1, 2012 @ 4:50 PM.

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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 5:19 PM

In honor of GH's anniversary, a classic uploader has shared a 1975 episode. And to think, Lee and Audrey could still be on the show today.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 5:36 PM

I'm pretty sure Rachel Ames retired voluntarily.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 5:57 PM

I suppose, given the way ABC treated its veteran actors in recent years, I had a tough time believing it, although I hope it was her choice.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 6:14 PM

Thanks Darcee - when did viewers find out the name of Elizabeth and Sarah's mom??! I guess I missed it because I stopped watching for some years when Shouty McYellerson was playing Lucky, TB's Carly had a tantrum due to being rejected by Zander (the night Sonny and Alexis conceived Kristina), and Jason went from being into Elizabeth to wanting an irritating blond character I will not name. Started watching again after JY, TB,and blondie were all off the show - when Elizabeth was torn between Lucky(GV) amd Jason. As far as I know, Elizabeth has never even talked about a conversation she once had with her parents. I was under the impression the Webbers were not close to their daughters when they were children (but praised Sarah's virtues) and then wanted to go be docs abroad, so Liz and Sarah got dumped on Audrey when they they were young teens. There seems to be a loving bond between Elizabeth and Steve. He has made a couple references to when she was little and living with her parents ... but nothing from her. So what did I miss?
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 6:27 PM

I don't recall any Andrea Trent being named as Liz and Sarah's mom. Huh. Darcee, do you recall when that was said? Thanks!
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 7:15 PM

I suppose, given the way ABC treated its veteran actors in recent years, I had a tough time believing it, although I hope it was her choice.


I guess they could have just done a Bobbie with her, but if they had fired her why not have her character die of old age instead of awkwardly reducing her to a car honk? I suppose they wouldn't want to bother with a funeral or a flashback. How depressing a thought.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 7:37 PM

I always just assumed they let her fade away, as they'd sort of done with characters like Amy Vining or Jessie Brewer (I know Emily McLaughlin passed away but from what I've heard, Jessie had been moved to bit player status long before that time). But it could have been much worse. I wish they could bring Audrey and Lesley back one more time before the show is over.

Edited by steve91199, Apr 1, 2012 @ 7:38 PM.

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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 9:20 PM

I don't recall any Andrea Trent being named as Liz and Sarah's mom. Huh. Darcee, do you recall when that was said? Thanks!

I don't remember that either. I just checked Soapcentral and Wikipedia and neither of them lists anyone at all for Liz and Sarah's mother. So I'd also like to know when Andrea Trent was named.


I think there is still way too much mob. During March there was 22 episodes and Sonny was in 19 of them.


Totally agree. That's too much for any character but especially one as unlikeable as Sonny.


It wouldn't even matter if Jason and Sonny were doctors at the hospital, both of these actors just suck the wind out of this show.


Today I was trying to decide if MB would be more tolerable if he were to play a different character ... like if he got hit in the head and changed personalities ala Jason, or if he was killed and then his previously unknown identical (but non-mobular) twin showed up in town, or if TPTB just pulled a Bill Eckert ... but I don't think he would be any better. I dislike the character but also can't stand the way MB chooses to portrays him.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 9:38 PM

Today I was trying to decide if MB would be more tolerable if he were to play a different character ... like if he got hit in the head and changed personalities ala Jason, or if he was killed and then his previously unknown identical (but non-mobular) twin showed up in town, or if TPTB just pulled a Bill Eckert ... but I don't think he would be any better. I dislike the character but also can't stand the way MB chooses to portrays him.


I despise Sonny Corinthos and have no real use for MB's acting, but when he was on AMC as Nico Kelly, he actually did have a lot of charisma and really seemed to give his best (while limited) with his acting.

On GH now, though, he is just a void.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 9:40 PM

I think there is still way too much mob. During March there was 22 episodes and Sonny was in 19 of them.


There's always too much mob. It's involved in nearly every story on the show. That's the biggest problem GH has.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 9:54 PM

I despise Sonny Corinthos and have no real use for MB's acting, but when he was on AMC as Nico Kelly, he actually did have a lot of charisma and really seemed to give his best (while limited) with his acting.


He was also charismatic and generally well-liked in the beginning of his GH run, but he's become lazy and bored and does not put in any effort, and I don't see that changing ever.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 9:58 PM

ABC Daytime have set up a culture where leading men don't even have to pretend they care. It's just strolling in, reading lines, and then leaving. I think it really killed their soaps, especially GH and OLTL.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 10:50 PM

I despise Sonny Corinthos and have no real use for MB's acting, but when he was on AMC as Nico Kelly, he actually did have a lot of charisma and really seemed to give his best (while limited) with his acting.


Someone else mentioned him being better on AMC some time ago, but I only vaguely remembered him and Cecily and had no strong feeling about him either way. So, I looked up some YT videos to see if that would jog my memory. Honestly I saw of lot of the same mannerisms he uses today -- the you knows, the twitchiness, the strange smiling, and of course grabbing the face of the woman he's going to kiss. It was Sonny, but happier. Maybe he did have charisma at one time and now just falls back on his limited bag of tricks. I don't know. Like you say, whatever he is now is no good.


He was also charismatic and generally well-liked in the beginning of his GH run, but he's become lazy and bored and does not put in any effort, and I don't see that changing ever.


I don't see that changing either. By all accounts he likes the character as is. And even if the new regime were to make changes, I'm not sure he would or could adapt.


ABC Daytime have set up a culture where leading men don't even have to pretend they care. It's just strolling in, reading lines, and then leaving. I think it really killed their soaps, especially GH and OLTL.


That's exactly why I quit watching for a number of years.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 11:32 PM

He was also charismatic and generally well-liked in the beginning of his GH run, but he's become lazy and bored and does not put in any effort, and I don't see that changing ever


ITA.I was watching clips of GH from the 90's a couple of days ago and he really did have a lot more charisma and chemistry with people than he does now. He hasn't been near that charismatic in years.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 11:48 PM

Don't get me wrong, I love Hunt Block, but was Brian Patrick Clarke not an option?


I kind of presumed Mr. Clarke had retired from acting...

I don't love Hunt Block, too much of a moustache-twirler, useful when story demands a transparently dastardly villain. Sometimes that's called for and can drive story effectively but I've never bought him as a long-term character. I've never gotten past how reductive his take on ATWT's Craig Montgomery was.


Whereas his take on Craig (at least until the writing went to crap) was what made me a fan. He also did a sterling job playing the character of Ramsey on (oh the loaded term) ONE LIFE TO LIVE. I caught him in reruns of a bunch of primetime shows too where he always did a solid job. So I think that he could carry off both Grants well.

That [Hunt Block] is one of the most soap worthy names I have EVER heard!


Yeah, with a name like that it was either soaps or porn... ;)

I always just assumed they let her fade away, as they'd sort of done with characters like Amy Vining or Jessie Brewer (I know Emily McLaughlin passed away but from what I've heard, Jessie had been moved to bit player status long before that time).


In the case of Ms. McLaughlin, I believe that the move to bit player status happened as a result of a practice from an earlier, kinder time in soaps. Often when a veteran actor ran into end-of-life issues and/or became chronically ill, they would be shifted to bit player status and given the bare minimum of work possible so they could keep their health benefits. Compare this to the shabby treatment Anna Lee got when she was unceremoniously dumped from GH, or GL's callous treatment of Michael Zaslow when he was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease.

Edited by tam1MI, Apr 1, 2012 @ 11:48 PM.

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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 12:07 AM

I kind of presumed Mr. Clarke had retired from acting...


As of last year he was still working. BPC is only a few months older than Hunt Block. Dunno if he'd want to return to soaps, though.
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 12:12 AM

Hunt Block has played the same character on every show he's been in. I can't see him in dual roles.

In the case of Ms. McLaughlin, I believe that the move to bit player status happened as a result of a practice from an earlier, kinder time in soaps. Often when a veteran actor ran into end-of-life issues and/or became chronically ill, they would be shifted to bit player status and given the bare minimum of work possible so they could keep their health benefits. Compare this to the shabby treatment Anna Lee got when she was unceremoniously dumped from GH, or GL's callous treatment of Michael Zaslow when he was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease.


When Gloria Monty came in in the late 70's, McLaughlin, Rachel Ames, and John Beradino all saw their airtime whittled over time, until they were barely there by the mid-80's. I think after she left, the last two had more to do, but I don't think McLaughlin did. By that time it may have been down to health issues.

I do agree that they were kinder in those days. They have saved some money being more callous but in the long run they chased off many viewers.
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 12:36 AM

You know, I feel like MB plays Sonny perfectly. Sonny is a grand narcissist and sociopath. (Or is it psychopath?) No one's feelings matter but his own. When he's in scenes where antagonism or things don't go his way, he shuts down and becomes emotionless and unfeeling. Things like rage and anger come out so that he suddenly STARTS SHOUTING FOR NO REASON. He's obsessed about Kate's whereabouts at all time because every other woman has left him because he's insane. (Or because they die. Potato, potahto.)

And I know people hate seeing him and Jason on their screens but I believe they have contracts that guarantee a number of days on screen. And if they don't use them, that's wasted money for GH. And those two, as I've mentioned before, have insanely huge fanbases. Those who love them and those who love to hate them.

Also, I've always been curious of the notion that if a character says something on the show, it means that this is what the writers of the shows really mean as truth. Especially now where we get scenes of Sonny saying 'I'm innocent' and then every other character out of earshot is like 'I don't WANT him to have done it but..um..yeah.. he could have.' I like that. I don't care that Sonny is technically innocent. Everytime someone stubs their toe, I want there to be a, 'Did Sonny put that rock in your way?' "I don't want to think he'd do it but..."

It makes me happy. Especially since Michael's looking like he's... thinking for himself. It's...weird..

Edited by Neka, Apr 2, 2012 @ 12:40 AM.

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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 2:02 AM

As tiresome as all the baby-knapping was, I'd rather we get a reveal that Hope survived ("Sorry miss, the fire was so intense that there were no remains")


I tend to think this is the case; if RC really just wanted Hope dead dead why did the car have to explode too? I would think falling off a cliff would be freaking enough to kill them. (The car falling off a cliff, and then the light shining on Dante and Michael's faces was almost as hilarious as Abby's death to me. I half expected Michael to say, "oh no, now that herd of buffalo are running over the wreckage!")



Delurking here, and bringing back a conversation from a few pages ago, but not only do I absolutely agree with you guys re: Hope/Cole still being alive, but reading your comments reminded me (and sorry but this is about to get real vague) that sometime this past week someone was looking at a newspaper and below the headline which was the point of the shot was a smaller headline "Hikers Found Alive" which I've decided was Cole and Hope and either Cole is being cagey because he's supposed to be dead, or he's been traumatized and unable to remember what is the what, or he's physically unable to communicate due to his injuries from which he will eventually recover and he and Hope will join Starr at some point in the future. Because however poorly the fallout of Starr's pregnancy and motherhood might have been handled or what have you, it's just too depressing to have all those happy endings that Cole/Hope are connected to in Llanview to have been shat upon with that car accident.
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 8:10 AM

Playing Devil's advocate here. The ratings are the lowest ever. So how big can Sason's fanbase be? I can see Sason having a large fanbase comparative to the size of the audience left. However how many people have left the show because of them thereby causing the ratings to continuously drop. IMHO, CarSason are not the love to hate type of characters. Personally they have taken over & eaten a show that I use to enjoy. The last time I left I was heartbroken. After Robin was revealed to be alive, the show was removed from my DVR & I have felt no lose of the show. I do miss Robin but I definitely don't miss the CarSason hour.
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 9:45 AM

Personally they have taken over & eaten a show that I use to enjoy.

<BR>Watching the Sonny and Jason show has been particularly frustrating because we know that the would have been hope for this show if they focused on the 'HOSPITAL' as in General Hospital. If there was/is some need for external excitement we have one Luke Spenser and Anna who can save the world from an evil dictator who wants to control the climate or some such nonsense. For external business or 9-5 stories (not the manilla folders we see exchanged between Sonny and Jason) we have the Q's business. The Construct is already there. sigh.
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 10:15 AM

When Gloria Monty came in in the late 70's, McLaughlin, Rachel Ames, and John Beradino all saw their airtime whittled over time, until they were barely there by the mid-80's. I think after she left, the last two had more to do, but I don't think McLaughlin did. By that time it may have been down to health issues.


I think that's probably true for Emily McLaughlin. According to her bio, her last appearance on GH was February 13, 1991. She passed away on April 26, 1991.

Edited by bpeck, Apr 2, 2012 @ 10:23 AM.

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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 11:33 AM

tam1MI
He also did a sterling job playing the character of Ramsey


I enjoyed Hunt Block on OLTL, moreso than his run on either GL or ATWT. I thought his run was far too short with a lot of intriguing story possibilities that were cut off when his character was killed off in favour of setting up ghastly tripe like the rapemance and the Mendorran crown jewels. Even if he was an obvious villain, it was awesome to see someone shitting all over McBain's anguished romantic past. Maybe it's better to wonder what might have played out than to have actually seen it, as one of the chief problems with Mendorra was RC taking intimidating villainy and turning it into unfunny camp.
(It worries me that he might do this with Anthony Z.)

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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 11:44 AM

I can't believe that Carly can't figure out that Jason dumping his PREGNANT WIFE is way different than her dumping her bed buddy. As much as Jason had NO RIGHT to TELL Carly to dump Johnny what Jason and Sam has is completely different than what Carly and Johnny have. Not to mention all the crap that Sam has had to put up with because of Jason. Jason owed her forgiveness after everything he's put her through. I know that her being with him is her choice but still, for Carly to expect Jason to dump her over that is ridiculous. If Sam dumped Jason for lying about Robin then he should have dumped Carly as a friend for all the crap she's pulled.
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 11:58 AM

Maybe it's better to wonder what might have played out than to have actually seen it, as one of the chief problems with Mendorra was RC taking intimidating villainy and turning it into unfunny camp.
(It worries me that he might do this with Anthony Z.)


That boat sailed with Anthony about six months ago, when he started blackmailing Tracy into one night-stands/marriages and the wacky music of hijinx played in the backround.
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 12:25 PM

That boat sailed with Anthony


Trust me, it can get a lot worse.

Edited by yuggapukka, Apr 2, 2012 @ 12:26 PM.

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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 12:52 PM

You know, I feel like MB plays Sonny perfectly. Sonny is a grand narcissist and sociopath. (Or is it psychopath?)


I agree Sonny is a mess and MB should acknowledge that, but a good actor would infuse the character with at least some likability, vulnerability, etc. This is why people like Johnny, Todd, Maxie, etc, even though they're effed-up people. Acting some layers in your character is the key to longevity on soaps, otherwise the audience turns on the character and becomes frustrated that they're sticking around forever and keep dodging consequences. MB just can't or won't put anything into Sonny other than what's right there on the page.

The same thing happened with Trevor St. John when he was playing Todd on OLTL. He got bored and started playing against all the writing, delivering lines that were supposed to be conveying concern for his loved ones with sarcasm and derision and shit like that. He pretty much single-handedly turned his character into an irredeemable monster, and was allowed to continue until ABC finally got Roger Howarth back.

ABC needs to learn to cut loose dead weight. I think they are scared that MB has a huge fanbase that would revolt if he was fired, but I honestly don't think that's the case. I think only a handful of the audience still cares about Sonny, and a much larger number of people have left the show because of him, Carly and Jason. I truly think the show would be better off if they got rid of him, and they'd save a shit ton of money on his salary.
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