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Posted Mar 27, 2012 @ 10:37 AM

I'm wondering how the "Stand Your Ground "Law applies to Zimmerman? How do you use a 'Self Defense' law when you are the one who initiated the attack in the first place?
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 7:55 PM

I feel the same way about this story as I do the one about the kid from Rutgers. Being bullied to the point of harassment may not have been the only thing that caused Phoebe to kill herself, but these kids are still at least partly culpable for what went down and they need to be held accountable for that.

For all that reporter's protests that she was trying not to blame the victim that sure as hell is what she's done. She's pointed the finger back at a young, troubled girl. And what went on in Phoebe's past as far as her bullying others is not relevant IMO. That reporter tried to make it seem like the DA made up the story which isn't true.

I really have no sympathy for Sharon Velazquez either. And I don't believe for a second that she approached Phoebe "calmly". Her lawyer is a moron, I don't think anyone wants to make her solely responsible for Phoebe's death, they want to hold her accountable for her role in it. Which she absolutely deserves.
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 5:47 PM

I feel the same way about this story as I do the one about the kid from Rutgers. Being bullied to the point of harassment may not have been the only thing that caused Phoebe to kill herself, but these kids are still at least partly culpable for what went down and they need to be held accountable for that.

For all that reporter's protests that she was trying not to blame the victim that sure as hell is what she's done. She's pointed the finger back at a young, troubled girl. And what went on in Phoebe's past as far as her bullying others is not relevant IMO. That reporter tried to make it seem like the DA made up the story which isn't true.

I really have no sympathy for Sharon Velazquez either. And I don't believe for a second that she approached Phoebe "calmly". Her lawyer is a moron, I don't think anyone wants to make her solely responsible for Phoebe's death, they want to hold her accountable for her role in it. Which she absolutely deserves.


Great post. I agree with everything you said.

I totally eye-rolled when Sharon said she approached Phoebe "calmly". I wish Ann Curry had asked her, "Why did you think it was any of YOUR business to begin with? She wasn't dating your boyfriend or ex-boyfriend. Why didn't you just stay out of it?"

I can't imagine re-living school in this day and age, either, it gives me a chill to think of what my former classmates would've done with the internet.
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Posted May 22, 2012 @ 10:58 AM

Tonight at 10:00 PM (ET) is the 20th anniversary special.
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Posted May 25, 2012 @ 11:58 PM

I watched tonight's episode. I hate to say it but this murder of Paula Sladewski leaving a Miami nightclub seems utterly impossible to solve. I think nightclubs should have cameras outside the entrance/exits to clubs, not just inside. If I ever own a business I'm investing in kickass security cameras everywhere. It's weird that this happened at 7:30am as well, you would think it would be light enough out that someone would have seen something. I think Paula met up with someone outside the club and if they held hands/looked like a couple, people wouldn't think anything of it and wouldn't watch if they wandered into an alley or something. I don't think the boyfriend did it, if only because his business folded and Paula was supporting him, so it didn't make sense for him to kill her.

Also this makes me a horrible person but I was so sick of everyone talking about how "hot", "stunning", "beautiful" Paula was - she was super-tan, white-blonde that Hef favors and thin. I also feel like they really glossed over her life, she was a pill-popping, boozing stripper with bad taste in guys. The hour episode felt pretty dragged out - no new info ever really came to life in the last 20 minutes.

And finally, how sick is a mother that lets her 14 year old daughter date a 29 year old man? Ick. No wonder Paula didn't have the best taste in men. Her sister was the only sane one in that family.
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Posted May 26, 2012 @ 9:33 AM

I didnt get it either. Paula looked like your run of the mill fake tan fake blonde fake tittayed stripper. Dateline should have spent some of the hour on the dumbass mother. Maybe explain why her daughter is so messed up that she hooks up with some random guy off the street so easily.
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Posted May 27, 2012 @ 7:33 PM

Tonight's episode was hard to watch. I was getting so angry. So the dad thinks "the country" he served let him down because they convicted his daughter for purposely crashing into a car and killing a pregnant woman and her son? Whatever. I hated her defense attorneys and her for never admitting she did it on purpose.
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Posted May 28, 2012 @ 4:46 PM

All the other family wanted was to hear was "I'm sorry I caused the death of your loved ones". Period. No ifs, ands or buts - which is all the little bitch could spew - even AFTER she was out from under the thumb of her lawyers. She didn't need to admit what she couldn't remember, she just needed to show some semblance of compassion (which the surviving spouse/dad had in spades). Seems that's lacking in her AND her parents.
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Posted Jun 1, 2012 @ 1:53 PM

That poor Paula put herself in all kinds of harms way. Surviving a career stripping and an abusive boyfriend just to be picked up off of the street by a psycho is a sad, sad life. I don't know what her shitty excuse for a boyfriend was thinking leaving her alone like that. I wonder about those girls who just let Natalie Holloway drive off in a car with strangers too.
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Posted Jun 1, 2012 @ 11:06 PM

I'm not very comfortable with the idea of a prosecutor wearing a Fall Out Boy t-shirt.

I knew Tracy would end up in jail because she clearly stopped dying her hair, but what a nut case she was. Bizarre pornography and pictures of dead bodies on her hard drive? Yikes, but considering all the awful news story that have broken this week I guess the same could be said about my internet history as well. And then the tattoo depicting the home invasion? Jesus.
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Posted Jun 1, 2012 @ 11:43 PM

Tracy seemed totally off to me from the beginning. Superficially - she had crazy eyes. So I convicted her immediately based off this. Also her story of her like gun-toting heroics and the second intruder immediately set off red flags for me.

This was a good 2-hour one. Way better than last week's episode. I like how they would casually drop bombs, the one that made me laugh was when talking about her second husband the voiceover (Dennis Murphy, right?) just says something like "They met online. They married after knowing each other 18 days. Michael was beginning to think he didn't know his wife very well." Like...dude, no shit. Cause normal people don't do that! What the eff?

Also how fucked up was the dentist piece of it? That was just weird. I immediately thought she was crazy based off that. Or that she seduced him or faked the note from the dentist.

Also her kid is screwed up for life, sorry. Her first husband seemed creepy but I feel like Tracy saw herself as this uber-sexual/desirable person and she probably lured Dustin to his death, or maybe they were having an affair, which was never really mentioned as a possibility. I also think that she coached Bert to say that his dad molested him.

What a wonky case.

Edited by JohnnySunshine9, Jun 1, 2012 @ 11:44 PM.

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Posted Jun 2, 2012 @ 2:10 AM

What a wonky case.


That's one word for it. I couldn't help thinking that she was having an affair with Dustin too - or at least toying with him in an inappropriate way. I too wondered why no one mentioned that as a possibility.

Let's say he did break in - I just can't believe he ended up with 9 bullets in 3 different parts of his body. I don't know anything about guns but does that mean she would have had to reload it at some point? What about this second intruder? He left on foot? There was no evidence of footprints in the fields or dirt driveway of him running away?

I think everything Dustin's mother said was correct - why would he park in the driveway? Or at least why would he pull all the way up to the house in his car? That house was remote - wouldn't she see/hear him coming? If he was stealing, why would he take the old crappy computer and go back inside? Why wouldn't he have a weapon? (or did I miss that he did?)

I feel bad for Burt. He's not stupid, but he won't take his blinders off.

And I find it interesting that both husbands mention her terrorizing and threatening to kill them. The first husband split because he was "afraid of her." I always find it interesting when men say that - and I often believe the few who will admit to it.

I didn't believe the story about the dentist either - I think he did what he had to do in order to keep his license. I suspect he was just another man whose life she ruined.

I think one of the most telling things for me was Tracy's friend. She so wanted to support her friend but just started looking at all the puzzle pieces and realized this woman had been deceiving her for years.

Edited by sskrill, Jun 2, 2012 @ 2:14 AM.

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Posted Jun 2, 2012 @ 8:26 AM

Another case of shotty police work done by an inexperienced small town. If the new investigator and Dustin's mom had not grown suspicious of what happened Tracy would've got away with it. I know they'll never do it, but I don't understand why these small towns who have no experience investigating murder cases don't bring in some outside help when cases like this come up? They almost always botch such cases either by convicting the wrong person or letting the killer off.

Anyway, like others my first thought was that Tracy was having an affair with Dustin. The motive they came up with about her trying to set up her ex didnt seem to make much since considering she eventually let her son go live with him.

As far as the second intruder goes IMO there wasn't one. I find it very difficult to believe that this guy would've been able to drop off the face of the earth and not tell a soul what he did, especially with how much attention the case got. If he existed I think he would've surfaced somewhere and woud've eventually spilled his guts. They almost always do.

I think Tracy was crazy and attracted just as crazy husbands. The second husband claimed he never abused her or the kid, but weren't their witnesses to his abuse who weren't family members or friends?

Lastly, her son was very adamant about what he saw/heard during the incident (when he was a child) and as an adult. You'd think if the ncident was a lie the boy would've cracked at some point, that there would've been some inconsistencies in his story, but there were none. So did Tracy coach hm on what to say about the incident weeks before it happened so his story could be solid?


I think they got the right person in prison, but IMO this was a very strange case with almost all the players being kind of crazy.

Edited by Enero, Jun 2, 2012 @ 8:28 AM.

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Posted Jun 2, 2012 @ 11:30 AM

I had Tracy pegged from the beginning when she tried to cry but no tears came. And then watching the re-creation she did for the TV cameras made me think of Barbara Stanger's recreation where she cheerfully tried to manoeuver the gun/pillow and come up with a reasonable explanation of how she "accidentally" shot her husband Russ. Tere was so sign of trauma or fear. Tracy's eyes were dead, dead, dead.

I also don't thik there wa a second intruder and I believe she used sex to have Dustin do what she wanted. She isa cold, calculating woman who is where she belongs. I can only hope her son gets the extended counseling he needs, but I'm not counting on it.
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Posted Jun 2, 2012 @ 9:54 PM

I think it is good for Burt that his mother was put in prison, so early in his life. I could see a Sante/Kenny Kimes situation developing between those two.
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Posted Jun 2, 2012 @ 9:59 PM

I suspected she was guilty and in jail when I saw her hair was no longer dyed. She seemed to be someone that liked to keep up appearances by the old photos. And she always attracted a new man when she needed to. She would not be looking like that if she was not in prison.

I don't think there was a second intruder either. I think she and her son made it up. I think her son is as big a liar as his mother. I didn't believe any of her stories. If someone has that many stories about always being the victim they are usually making it up.
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Posted Jun 3, 2012 @ 3:02 PM

I pity anyone who has to marry the son of Tracey Richter (Roberts). That dude looks like your classic disturbed son of a psycho. The first husband must be so depressed that he could not prevent the brainwashing of his son. A Life sentence is too kind for that bitch. She has ruined Dustin's family so thoroughly that it is worse than simple murder of one person. It's too bad Tracey's real self wasn't exposed earlier. Maybe Dustin's dad would have shot her instead of himself.
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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 8:52 AM

Dissapointed that con artist, Tim Dog, didn't get the punishment he deserves. Hopefully, his exposure on Dateline will seriously put a cramp in his ability to con other women.
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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 10:53 AM

Dissapointed that con artist, Tim Dog, didn't get the punishment he deserves. Hopefully, his exposure on Dateline will seriously put a cramp in his ability to con other women.


Yeah, I didn't really see the point of this 2-hour long expose when he wasn't even found guilty. Other than that disappointment, this installment was pure comedy to me. 1)Why are women giving these men they don't know thousands of dollars??? Ladies, if a man is showering you with gifts, then suddenly his money is all "tied up in investments" and wants to offer you an "opportunity"...take your ass home and lose his number (or email address)! 2) They kept calling him a "hip-hop star"...the only time I'd heard of this guy before last night was when Snoop Dogg said he could "eat a fat d**k" on Dre Dayback in like 1992. A 5-CD box set of hits?? If I can find it somewhere I'm seriously considering buying it for someone for Christmas as a gag gift lol.

I also found myself wondering about the little sting operation the ladies had set up...how the Hell do you trick a black man into going to Mississippi in the 21st century??
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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 10:57 AM

Ugh, I was dissappointed, too. And baffled that he could con so many good looking, intelligent women. Okay, so he has a little fame (I have zero knowledge of rap). But con artists are usually charming and smooth, right? He was neither. When talking to the woman who was acting as "bait" he actually sounded threatening when telling her to never even think about turning her back on him (on a first date!). And I don't care how "cool" you are or even that you're a rapper. If you are meeting me for the first time and we are inside a restaurant - take off the sunglasses and let me see your eyes when we talk! I wouldn't trust anyone that hides their eyes. And when interviewed, he made the comment "They're women, so there's a weakness there". A man who can throw that comment out so easily wouldn't even think to try to hide that attitude. Not even from the women he's dating.

Oh, and he "let his guard down" with Esther because it was "one christian to another" -- that lie made him seem as douchey as that smarmy, preening lawyer next to him!

It was admirable that Esther didn't go after the money because she knew he would steal from another woman to get it. I'd want my money! But then, I'd never "invest" in a box set of Tim Dog cd's! I mean, really? Is word on the street people are clamoring for a Tim Dog comeback?
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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 1:29 PM

I don't understand why the army lady still felt like justice was not done. Maybe not full justice. but she sho;uld be happy that she got her revenge. He is ordered to pay up two thirds of what he owes her. The other women get NOTHING. So she is lucky by comparison. He gets exposed on national TV in a long two hour episode. Also , he did have to spend money on a lawyer straight out of central casting. The dude was hilarious. Did anyone catch the lawyer trying to stop his laughter when Tim Dogg went to the picking on a black man excuse. He knew his client was full of shit and was trying hard to keep a straight face.

Also Noelle sleeping with that old guy. Wow, have women gottten that desperate these days? She is a good looking fit woman sleeping with a geezer just because he wined and dined her for a ocuple of nights? Is it that easy ? and she wasn't even a Kardashian type slut.

Also wanted to comment on the prior week's episode where the college lady was murdered by a drifter who came into her apartment but her college mate was the chief suspect for two decades. The cops were idiots. If the boyfriend told the cops he got a call from her about a stranger in her apartment making her suspicious, it's either two things. Either the boyfriend is the suspect and is lying or he is telling the truth. The cops ruled him out as a suspect. So the only other realistic alternative is that he is telling the truth about the call too. Which means it most probably wasn't the guy who went along to the clubs with her and who became an architect. Because he is obviously not a stranger to the woman. She would have mentioned his name to her boyfriend. Why the cops just focused on the architect alone is a failure of basic logic.

Edited by SteakHead, Jun 16, 2012 @ 1:33 PM.

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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 2:56 PM

Well this was one of the lamer episodes of Dateline that I can recall. A bunch of women were duped by the same man, which was their own damn faults! They were all such easy marks, totally snowed before ever laying eyes on him. I've done some dumb things when it comes to men but never would I give any of them thousands of dollars no matter who he was or what story he came up with! Why was his status as a has-been rapper none of them had ever heard of so magnetizing...or was it his painful childhood? Esther needs to let it go -- the fact that she was willing to share her story on Dateline, including showing a photo of her son, all in the name of revenge is truly mind-boggling. She needs to put her family and career above her need to get back at ol' Tim Dog. As for Noelle - really, she gets so caught up in Esther's story that she drops everything and flies to Atlanta to try to catch him in some lies...I get the idea that these women got off on playing amateur detective. Really, the only thing that could have made this episode worse is if Keith Morrison had hosted it.

As for last week's episode mentioned by SteakHead, I just couldn't understand why a young college student let a stranger in her house to use the bathroom. I believe the detectives' explanation was "it was a different time." Nope, pretty sure we didn't invite strangers into our homes in the 80s, either.

Neither of these stories had enough entertainment/information value to warrant an episode of Dateline.
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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 4:12 PM

*snore*

We want Keith Morrison reporting on mass graves found in suburban backyards, damn it!
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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 6:05 PM

Well this was one of the lamer episodes of Dateline that I can recall.

I totally agree - what a waste of two hours.
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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 7:24 PM

The icing on the ridonculous cake was when she claimed "he put my tire on backwards" and tried to kill me & my son!!! Hello? Dateline lets this shit float and highlights it? Way to go investigative, morons,

I am so very tired of their lame-assed stories. Lazy and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

I want good old fashioned investigative journalism - can anyone find it for me?
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Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 10:34 PM

Well this was one of the lamer episodes of Dateline that I can recall. A bunch of women were duped by the same man, which was their own damn faults! They were all such easy marks, totally snowed before ever laying eyes on him. I've done some dumb things when it comes to men but never would I give any of them thousands of dollars no matter who he was or what story he came up with!


Word. Glad I didn't see it. So much of the "I fell in love and he took advantage" stories from dumbass women. Dr. Phil, Judge Judy, Dateline . . .regardless of where I see these lame stories it makes me wanna roll my eyes and puke.

Edited by isotonerz, Jun 16, 2012 @ 10:35 PM.

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Posted Jun 17, 2012 @ 1:32 PM

This was a terrible waste of time. They spent two hours on these stupid women playing private investigator. Then there was no pay off.

Sure get rich quick schemes always look like a good idea in the beginning. Most people should know by now, you don't invest money you can't afford to lose. That one woman sold her freaking car! Now she has no car.

I couldn't believe that that one woman slept with that old fat dude either. She must have thought she owed him for the weekend. It just creeped me out. I didn't think the guy looked all that great in his photo to begin with. He looked like a homeless man in the recent one.
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Posted Jun 17, 2012 @ 6:41 PM

As my friend who also watched this episode said, "Unless there's a body, it doesn't deserve 2 hours". The Tim Dog crap didn't even deserve 1 hour, let alone 2. Not like the excellent Colonel Russell Williams episode which totally deserved 2 hours because it involved a lot of people, was serial and was SCARY and INTERESTING. I feel sorry these women were duped, but any one that you date for only a few months that asks you to give them thousands of dollars and invest it into a get rich quick scheme...sigh. If you don't know to run...well.

The story the week before wasn't that great either. I like to think maybe the girl thought the knock on her door was one of her friends or someone she was dating and she opened it up without looking and then he shoved her inside/knocked her out, versus her just letting a drifter come in to use her bathroom (any time is scary, but 2am is the worst).

Dateline needs to get back to its roots of 1-2 hour murder mystery stories. These last 2 have not been great.
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Posted Jun 18, 2012 @ 11:15 PM

Not like the excellent Colonel Russell Williams episode which totally deserved 2 hours because it involved a lot of people, was serial and was SCARY and INTERESTING.

That was a great case, JohnnySunshine9 . I just read an interesting follow up on Williams - he is being sued civilly by some of his victims, and is fighting one of the lawsuits. You can check out the story HERE.
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Posted Jun 24, 2012 @ 8:09 PM

Just watched the "Lost in Suburbia" special, about folks who've lost their jobs due to the economy. While I related to most of them, the Lindemullers were hard to tolerate.

While other families were going to food banks, and being foreclosed, and actually losing their livelihood, the Lindemullers were still living their lifestyle. They could still apparently afford a therapist to tell Mrs. Lindemuller to get off her executive high horse and get a job. Only after her husband reiterated that they needed her to work did she finally go get a job. But no sooner did she take a cleaning job, she had an argument with Mr. Lindemuller that apparently sends them into a tailspin. Once again, the therapist has to make the first move by suggesting they get a trial separation, and actually does the legwork to draw up the papers.

Now, even though they ended up staying together, if the straits were so dire, why were they paying the therapist to tell them all this stuff? Next to stories of families losing their homes and their livelihoods, this just rang false. It's not that I don't believe their story; it's that they let every little thing become an obstacle. Plus, therapists aren't cheap, so if they could afford that, they weren't that bad off, IMO. One last thing: since when do therapists draw up a couple's separation or divorce papers?
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