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Posted Dec 31, 2003 @ 9:23 PM

One thing I've always wondered, though - how exactly is it that their bodies accept the translator microbes without any hassles?


Well, we know that some species can't tollerate them, although the only one we've seen is Sikozu and the Kalish...


I only recall Sikozu saying *her* body could not accept the translator microbes, and don't remember anything about other Kalish not being able to accept them. Perhaps Sikozu's inability had to do with the genetic enhancements she'd received.

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Posted Jan 1, 2004 @ 3:42 AM

Well, we know that some species can't tollerate them, although the only one we've seen is Sikozu and the Kalish...


Ah, that would be season four, 22 wonderful episodes that I have yet to watch. But now that I know they did in fact bring up the issue on the show, I'm extremely happy. Yay Farscape writers!

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Posted Jan 1, 2004 @ 8:19 PM

And the Viewers Choice Marathon was:
Liars, Guns and Money trilogy
Dog With Two Bones
Crichton Kicks
Crackers Don't Matter
the season 4 finale (how's that for avoiding the title? *g*)
Unrealized Realities
Kansas
Terra Firma (that was the order of those three episodes starting with UR right?)

Canadians, don't forget that starting Jan. 5th, the series airs weekdays at 1:00 p.m. Eastern.

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Posted Jan 1, 2004 @ 11:28 PM


And the Viewers Choice Marathon was:
Liars, Guns and Money trilogy
Dog With Two Bones
Crichton Kicks
Crackers Don't Matter
the season 4 finale (how's that for avoiding the title? *g*)
Unrealized Realities
Kansas
Terra Firma (that was the order of those three episodes starting with UR right?)
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Yep that's the correct order.

Am I the only one disappointed in this? Where was Die Me Dichotomy or Inifinite Possibilities???

And what was with the 5 straight season 4 episodes at the end? I guess I shouldn't be that surprised, the final episodes usually get the highest placings on these Space marathons.

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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 12:06 AM

I was a little surprised and disappointed with the selection myself. I was hoping for a better mix from season 2 and 3.

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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 12:47 AM

If they show DMD, they definitely need to show SoD. What I think is worse than no IP, is no Lion's Den. Oh well.

I don't know if this is old news or not but there's an interview with Wayne Pygram in the recent issue of Starlog. He talks about some of the disappointments of Season 4 and some differences of opinion he had with the creators.

He also gave a little info on future projects. Namely, Star Wars III. Apparently, he's going to play a character from the first movie (Ep IV). My money's on Tarkin. That will be awesome.

On Aatrek's Dec. 23 spoiler notes:

I'm glad that Jool's coming back. I'd like to see the Jool/D'Argo thing come back, but I don't think it will. I know that Anthony wasn't a big fan of that.

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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 11:06 AM

There's something I've been musing on for a while now.

I've only seen as far as season two, so this may be academic, but I enjoy thinking about it anyway.

Do we know, I mean know for certain, that the wormhole that Chrichton was shot through did in fact move him in space only?

What if the wormhole catapulted him, not through space, but through time (or both)? He could have been moved say a few million years into the future, Earth could have been destroyed
a long time ago, and - who knows - the Sebaceans could be what became of the Humans.

John could be longing to go back to a home that no longer exists at all, and he doesn't even know it.

Try it on. How's that for angst and vertigo..?

Unless, of course, there's something in seasons 3 or 4 to contradict the theory, in which case I will ignore that until I see it for myself.

(What? A good, horrible theory like that? Dude! It's way too good to waste just because the evidence is against it!)

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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:23 PM

That theory was very popular in the early years of the show. It was eventually disproved, though.

Also, I liked D'Argo/Jool. It was kinda telegraphed from RA onward, though. What was Anthony's issue with it? More importantly, just because the actor didn't like it doesn't mean that it's a bad development per se (though I will be the first to admit that D'Argo/Jool is a weird one to get your head around, esp. since Chiana and Jool are so different). I think, like most things on FS, just because it was weird and not entirely plausible doesn't mean that it would have failed.


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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 6:28 PM

That theory was very popular in the early years of the show.


Oh, that makes me feel proud. I thought of it all on my own! :-)

I just came back from The Return of the King, and naturally, I managed to go all Farscape in the middle of it. (I think I need to see someone about that.)

So, I'm sitting there watching the digusting orchs, and find myself smiling rather than feeling ill at the sight of some of them. I couldn't understand it at first, but then it hit me: there were quite a few who reminded me of the bloodtrackers from Til the Blood Runs Clear and Liars, Guns and Money, and I always thought they were kind of cute, especially when they were snarling.

"Aww, cute widdwe orchs - wait, what am I saying??"

It was... confusing.

Edited by Kanel, Jan 2, 2004 @ 6:29 PM.


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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 7:26 PM

The marathon on Space was fun. It made me sad in a fond way. Thank God they're going to start showing it daily. I hope they have another marathon when the miniseries come out.

I'm also glad that Jool's coming back. Her whole thing with the Arneskan Priests made her parallel with John all the more aparent. Now she'll be walking around with secret knowledge that can affect the stability of empires. As for her relationship with Dargo, it surprised me too. I always thought that Chi and Jool appealed to him in different ways. Chiana is a lusty, youthful, freedom loving libertarian who turned on his warrior/ex-prisoner side. Jool is a focused, goal-oriented girl who appealed to his desire for a peaceful and fulfilled existence. Dargo has always had that dualistic nature to him.

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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 7:27 PM

On the Jool/D'Argo thing:

Do I even need tags for this? Probably not, but anyway...

Simcoe didn't think that the two episodes that led up to the kiss had enough time and development to justify it. Personally, I think it all started in RA anyway and everyone was gone for quite some time. If Chiana could come back acting crazy I don't see why D'Argo and Jool couldn't be close.


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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:58 PM

I'm not sure why we are using spoilers for D'argo/Jool either. I'd have to disagree with Anth about there not being enough build up to the 'ship/kiss in WWL. I agree that that ship kinda began in RA. And as far as changes in characters over the summer vacation between seasons 3 and 4, I'd say the D'ool 'ship rank just a little higher than John's beard on the drastic change metter. Chi's blindness and gang-rape story and Aeryn's heat delierium and hi-honey-here's-Scorpious very much out weight D'argo and Jool getting cozy with each other.

Mini-series casting spoilers: I guess the only aspect of D'ool that really needs spoilers is the fact that it might be picked up in the mini-series and possibly the fact that Jool isn't in the rest of season 4.

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Posted Jan 2, 2004 @ 10:58 PM

It's kind of funny actually, the reason why the Dargo/Jool comments were put in spoilers is because Jool will be in the Miniseries, and thus, the relationship came up since it'll be an issue now that Chiana and Dargo are back together

But yeah, the gap between seasons three and four were left too unexplained. I wanted to find out what happened to Aeryn to make her more emotional and girly. I was shocked and disturbed by Chiana's implication that she was raped as well as tortured and I wanted to know how her powers had been changed etc. There were too many loose ends to introduce new characters and storylines.

Edited by fadooski, Jan 2, 2004 @ 10:59 PM.


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Posted Jan 3, 2004 @ 12:12 AM

Season 4 to me felt rushed, like they were trying to hit too many plot points in one season, while following the Sci-Fi channel's dictates. In retrospect, this unwanted break we're currently in may have saved the show from getting worse/burning out totally (Season 7 Buffy, I'm looking at you).

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Posted Jan 3, 2004 @ 6:50 PM

cutecouple, that's funny, because one of my complaints about season 4, especially in the first half, is that it didn't move fast enough. I agree that some important character points got left by the wayside, but there were also a lot of stand alone episodes that didn't seem to connect to each other as well as season three for example.

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Posted Jan 3, 2004 @ 11:00 PM

Hey guys, a little off the current topic, but hey...

Anyone know of a site that has decent quality publicity shots for Farscape?

Were the shots ever released on the web officially? I've seen the ones at scifi.com but I know there were more. Like proper season four cast shots.

Any help would be much appreciated. I'll check back here or you can shoot me an email.

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Posted Jan 4, 2004 @ 9:26 PM

I can't remember any one place where there were promo pictures, but someone else might. I seem to remember seeing some at FarscapeWorld, but I can't find them now, sorry.

Again, a reminder that tonight's S4 episode is at 11 p.m., not midnight. Here's the upcoming schedule updated for February.

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Posted Jan 4, 2004 @ 10:36 PM

Hey, I have a question... maybe it is just me, but... I've been watching Farscape lately (DVDs from the public library, God bless them) so anyway, I watched season 1 and half of season 3 first. except for the occassional 'bitch' it was fine ( the kiddos are around and sometimes they watch) but... I picked out season 2 this weekend, and the 'sex' quotient increased quite a bit from season 1 and 3... specially on the 'Princess' trilogy (that strip club thing right after Crichton walking over Chi and D'argo having some hot alien sex was a bit much...) same for 'Out of their minds' where the Hoyay was wayyy up there folks. (and also a happy Crichton fondling Aeryn's body and viceversa) It also got up there on 'Won't get fooled again' where at the end a quartet of Aeryn, Zhaan, Chi and Rygel (Eww!) offers itself to Crichton... so it has been hard to understand the plots since I keep forwarding the DVDs for the sake of the kiddos... but why did it got so hot-and-heavy on season 2? Season one and Half of 3 wasn't that bad, but I haven't watch the rest yet. Any other episodes where things get too hot? Just give me a fair warning to watch those late at night.

Edited by ciscokidinsf, Jan 4, 2004 @ 10:38 PM.


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Posted Jan 4, 2004 @ 10:55 PM

CiscoKid, IMO, you shouldn't watch any of the eps around your kids. I don't know how old yours are (mine are 2, 5, and 6), but I just don't risk it. Some episodes are OK, but some have psychological violence as well as physical violence, and many of the eps have an undercurrent of sexuality if it's not blatant.

Fortunately for me, my kids think it's too scary -- the theme music freaks them out!

Second half of Season 2 ups the ante mostly on violence, and Season 4, again IMO, blows out all the stops. Eps with torture in them are just not good kiddie material...

Farscape was never meant for children, at least as young as mine. Save it for when you can give it your full attention. Sometimes even then, if you are like all the rest of us, there will be stuff that you miss, because it's so conceptually and artistically dense. So of course you have to watch the eps more than once.

Not that that's a bad thing.

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Posted Jan 4, 2004 @ 11:05 PM

Nice to see Farscape's on more often on Sci-Fi - nasty time, but good for VCR's.

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 12:56 AM

Oh, frell me. I forgot about the time change on the S4 eps. Tuned in at 11 (central), ready to tape it and caught the end of the credits.

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 1:26 AM

I don't know of any one site for Farscape publicity shots either, but you might try Darkscape. They have a lot of promo shots, although the quality varies. And annoyingly, they don't have that nice shot from their opening page in their picture galleries. I have yet to find a really good-quality non-altered version of that particular picture. There's an excellent-quality John & Aeryn promo shot here; very sharp & clear. And BritAngie's site has a lot of the Crichton publicity shots. Her galleries aren't organized, but you can find some of the season four promo shots on this page and this page, and that publicity shot of Crichton and the girls can be found on this page.

That smiley kiss at the end of Twice Shy still makes me squee with shipper glee, but I hate the way they glossed over John and Aeryn's problems with "oh, it was all just an act for Scorpius." And John? If your obsessive love for Aeryn is supposed to be a secret, then it's the worst-kept secret of the Uncharted Territories.

And between watching The Return of the King yesterday, and TS tonight, I have seen entirely too many huge man-eating spiders this weekend. *shudder*

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 2:46 AM

ciscokidinsf, I have to agree with QuietI about Farscape and kids being a bit of an oil and water kind of thing. You have to wait until your kids get a bit older and more vinegary so that they make a nice toss salad. [NOTE: It's pass my bed time] But you should definatly be warned for the second half of season three too. I don't want to spoil plot points for you, but some of the best parts of Meltdown, IMO, is the yummy pornishness between two of my favorite characters, and there are some very dark sexual overtones in Scratch 'n' Sniff.

I actually don't remember there being a "strip club" in the Look at the Princess Trilogy. I only remember the alien night club with the all white dress code. Can someone jog my memory?

Other episodes to watch after the kiddos are asleep might be: Crackers Don't Matter (One of my ultimate favorites, but a bit of a mindfrell and has rapious overtones), A Clockwork Nebari (Not too sexy, but the torture scenes may squick them), Liars, Guns, and Money (Has some alien sex, but it's rather tame), and What was Lost (Off screen rape via mind control).

Edited by TrueMyth, Jan 5, 2004 @ 2:48 AM.


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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 10:33 AM

ciscokidinsf, I just want to commend you for your responsible parenting without thinking every show should be child-friendly!

[I've seen too many comments on other boards complaining about the adult content.]

Like the others have said, FarScape isn't a children's show, despite the inclusion of the Henson company and their puppets [and their 8pm viewing time during the first season]. Looks like you've been supplied with most of the questionable episodes, but it's a good idea for you to view all the episodes yourself before allowing the kiddies to watch. You know best what you children can handle, and besides the sexual overtones to many episodes, there is violence and even some drug references...

truemyth - no stripclub in LAtP. I guess the confusion was because there were dancers in the club where they tested compatibility.

Edited by ChillinTheMost, Jan 5, 2004 @ 10:34 AM.


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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 1:21 PM

And John? If your obsessive love for Aeryn is supposed to be a secret, then it's the worst-kept secret of the Uncharted Territories.


Shroom, so so true.

I would also add Eat Me as a dark "dunno if you even want the kids in the background" kind of episode.

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 3:44 PM

I was up late last night working and so after Twice Shy finished I watched it and Terra Firma back to back. Some things I forgot/missed about TF:

Chiana telling D'Argo "Some men can forgive"

John was writing in his journal in Sebaccean, not English. - When did this change? Did he do it so people on Earth looking over his shoulder wouldn't know what he was writing? Or is just an example of how he's changed at his core. His most intimate thoughts are no longer in his native tongue?

I don't think I buy John's ex telling Aeryn he's in love with her. As a rule, it weakens the power of the "love" when non-knowledgeable third parties claim to see it.

Other interesting things:

Grayza's assault on men continues
Sikozu and Scorpius' suicide pact

Re: Twice Shy

I got a kick out of Telika saying she has no remorse - they are food.

I thought it was interesting that without her "strongest trait" her sex drive, Chiana was the most coherent and focused.

It would have been interesting if without his anger, D'Argo showed a lot more affection towards Chiana.

John without hope is just wrong. The first time I saw it, I thought he was messing with Telika, but I guess he meant most of what he said when he asked her to kill him.

So what did she take from Aeryn, specifically? If Aeryn was Vulcan I would say it was her logic. She was much colder as the whatever rose, and became unhinged afterwards. But everyone else's was more specific. Any ideas?

Really liked, and at the same time was squicked (which is probably the only option) wrt Scorpius' attachment to Sikozu after he was affected. Additional props to the creators for Sikozu's genetic engineering NOT coming out of left field. We had her refusing to undergo genetic testing in Terra Firma and then being rejected by the arachnid in Twice Shy. Cool.

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 4:05 PM

I would also add Eat Me as a dark "dunno if you even want the kids in the background" kind of episode.


Whoops... too late! that one we did see with the kiddos around. I can't wait to see the episode where (I presume) TalynJohn buys the farm. If I hadn't watch it I would be confused to see Crichton in both Moya and Talyn. (but a great way for the writers to have John in both places.

'Eat me': Creepy alien dude making copies of people and sucking brain juice, plus, yes, I now remember that the bad guy wanted D'Argo to 'mate' with some bad clone.

I was watching 'Won't Get Fooled Again' and I guess somewhere in Season 1 someone tricks Crichton in making him believe he is back on earth. Which episode was that on Season 1? I thought I watched them all with the exception of the very first episode.

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 4:23 PM

The first epsidoe where they trick John into thinking he's on Earth is A Human Reaction. That's a pretty important one.

And yeah, there are Muppets, but I don't know I'd let kids watch most episodes of Farscape. It depends on the kid, of course.

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 4:29 PM

I was watching 'Won't Get Fooled Again' and I guess somewhere in Season 1 someone tricks Crichton in making him believe he is back on earth. Which episode was that on Season 1?


That's 'A Human Reaction', which is an awesome ep. This time it's the Ancients which recreate Earth for John to gauge what the human reaction (!) would be to aliens coming to co-habitate with them on Earth. Definitely check that out if you get a chance...

too slow for elishavah ;o)

Edited by skat510, Jan 5, 2004 @ 4:30 PM.


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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 5:09 PM

Deepdiscountdvd has just sent me an e-mail informing me that my hanukah present to myself, a season 2 box set, has been mailed. I'm very happy.

I just received my Hugo nominating ballot in the mail. If I have my dates correct, everything in season 4 from Terra Firma through Bad Timing aired in 2003 and is therefore eligible in the Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form category. Which episodes would you nominate and why?