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#1891

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Posted Oct 19, 2013 @ 10:05 AM

It's definitely a good cast - the only ones not doing anything for me are Ally & Ashley (but then generally recent casting of the female teams has sucked anyway so it's not as though they particularly stand out) and Jason & Amy. I don't think there's any danger of the season sputtering out into blandness, like 19 and 22 did.


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Posted Nov 20, 2013 @ 11:02 AM

Yeah, with this season, I really felt they dropped the ball in female team casting with two attractive, yet dumb pairs (or so was the intention; I liked Nicky & Kim well enough despite that). But I do wonder how TAR's generally poor track record on that front holds up, so here are teams I thought were at least reasonably memorable and competent:

 

TAR 1: Nancy & Emily

TAR 2: Mary & Peach

TAR 4: Tian & Jaree

TAR 5: Charla & Mirna, Linda & Karen

TAR 6: Lena & Kristy

TAR 10: Dustin & Kandice, Lyn & Karlyn

TAR 11: Charla & Mirna, Dustin & Kandice

TAR 14: Kisha & Jen, Jaime & Cara

TAR 17: Brook & Claire, Nat & Kat

TAR 18: Kisha & Jen

TAR 21: Nadiya & Natalie

TAR 22: Pam & Winnie, Caroline & Jennifer, Mona & Beth

 

Obviously a list like this is pretty subjective (and adding footnotes would make this post really long). Also, how a team actually turns out is not necessarily correlated to what casting intended. But I do think the ball-dropping started with Season 7 and in terms of gender ratios, casting decided to call it a day after TAR17 being the only season to have 4 female teams (not since TAR4 did we have 5 male teams).


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#1893

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Posted Nov 20, 2013 @ 7:40 PM

I have no clue as to why casting thinks we wanna see more men's teams than women's teams.  There are lots of women's teams who try out for this show, and they could probably be just as entertaining and potentially memorable as the men's teams they cast.

 

Though I actually think the ball-dropping started in TAR3, when they cast two all-female teams and twice as many all-male teams, and then cast two all-female teams to FIVE all-male teams in TAR4.


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Posted Nov 25, 2013 @ 12:21 AM

I think the legacy of TAR23 isn't going to be a good one. I'm not buying the allegations of creepiness within Travis & Nicole, but I feel they're too tightly wound. Jason & Amy aren't much better, especially when they're feuding with Tim & Marie. Speaking of whom, those two are lucky to even still be racing, because they're just sad to watch . . . and Marie is a huge pill to boot. Finally, I keep thinking that Leo & Jamil are trying to do the reverse of what the Beekman Boys did last year . . . that is, appear on TAR, then get their own reality series. The only bright side is that with the Ice Girls and MLB Wives gone, we're out with the dead weight, and you have three teams that have a legit chance to win. Also, Tim & Marie.

 

Anybody just sighing and waiting for the start of TAR24?


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Posted Nov 25, 2013 @ 12:45 AM

I have no clue as to why casting thinks we wanna see more men's teams than women's teams.  There are lots of women's teams who try out for this show, and they could probably be just as entertaining and potentially memorable as the men's teams they cast.

 

My feeling is that they're still trying to compensate for how many co-ed winners there have been (even though in the last six seasons there's only been two co-ed winning teams).

 

Anybody just sighing and waiting for the start of TAR24?

 

Pretty much. I don't think it helps that the only leg so far this season that will even come close to being good in repeat viewings is the Portugal one, and that's more to do with how long it's been since the last visit and how the flight issues felt like a classic TAR episode than anything else in the leg itself.


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Posted Nov 25, 2013 @ 12:53 AM

The course isn't bad, but the cast is pretty bland overall, and it's one of those seasons where two teams clearly surpass everyone else. Also, I felt that TAR22 is a tough act to follow (start and end legs aside), and even TAR21 which started off with an awful course and cast still made me care about the teams in the end. This season is just decidedly mediocre and while that still beats being a travesty, I'll join the sighs.


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Posted Dec 9, 2013 @ 12:28 AM

So . . . what's the lesson to be learned from TAR23? To run your own damn Race? Passive aggressive behavior plus killer fatigue equals a losing sum? Always draw out a contract before you run the Race?

 

I figure poor Roadblock management killed Nicole & Travis . . . even with their flameouts, their leg average of 2.58 was still the best, better than Jason/Amy's 2.92. I think the ERs did everything right, but then Nicole started struggling, and Travis wasn't really that supportive, and I'm hoping this isn't indicative of problems at home. At least with those two teams, you can say that the season had two alpha pairs, as opposed to alphas dying off (TAR21) or one alpha (TAR22). Tim & Marie came in at 3.42, while Leo & Jamil finished with a 3.82 average . . .  both being respectable averages, IMHO.

 

Over on the Ratings/Scheduling thread, somebody suggested that TAR24 might be the test to determine whether TAR stays on the air. For a neurotic pessimist like me, the sky would be falling. I feel that even with the show getting weakening and becoming less "must see," it's still a good show. You have travel porn, laughing onlookers, funny animals, people under pressure, and Phil Freaking Keoghan. I really hope CBS doesn't pull the plug on TAR, especially with Survivor being a shade of its former self, even moreso than TAR. For Phil to hit the unemployment line before Jeff Probst . . . it's a nauseating thought.

 

ETA: Interesting fact . .  Nicole & Travis's average placement beat out Ken & Gerard (2.69) amongst all third-place teams. Jason & Amy finished eleventh among all 23 winners, Tim & Marie are in 14th among second placers, and Leo & Jamil are 15th among fourth finishers.


Edited by Lantern7, Dec 9, 2013 @ 12:38 AM.

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Posted Dec 9, 2013 @ 9:27 PM

Where are Ally & Ashley among the fifth-placers, Lantern7?


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Posted Dec 9, 2013 @ 9:51 PM

I don't know. I only did a list for fourth-placers and fifth-placers that ran at least ten legs. Their average was 6.11, which I figure is pretty poor for a fifth-place team.

 

In other news, I'm okay with another "All Stars" season, even if teams from long ago are ignored. I think the main problem is the execution. On the bright side, I don't think anything can suck harder than Eric & Danielle winning TAR11.


Edited by Lantern7, Dec 9, 2013 @ 9:53 PM.

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Posted Feb 3, 2014 @ 1:21 AM

An off- hand comment during RHAP’s podcast previewing of the upcoming TAR all-stars prompted me to go seek out and watch the two past seasons of TAR Australia and they do indeed compare favorably to all the past seasons of TAR US.

 

One stand-out was their casting. While retaining all the usual suspects – the jock team , the laidback surfers, the father-son, the “my older sibling is always telling me what to do but needs to listen to me” pair, the estranged quarrelling  couple, the good natured but horribly out of shape friends, the country yokels and/or cowboys etc.- they also managed find people who had legitimate reason to race other than because they fit the trope.  This is especially true of the so called Blonde beauty queen pairing in both of their seasons who were  a legitimate racing team that you could root for on the merits of their skill - rather than just be eye-candy fodder (baring two) that have appeared in every season of TAR US.  Don’t get me wrong, they had some stereotypical ‘foibles’ that casting seems to love so much - like carrying around a set of hair extensions across 4 continents instead of something, I don’t know, useful… or dressing in matching pink etc. but they weren’t one dimensional.

 

Example of smarts:  In every season of TAR there will be a point (usually more than once) where teams are required to pick a third-party piloted marked boat/vehicle to proceed to their next task or clue box.   Never have I seen a team inspect the vehicles’ engine for horsepower and maintenance quality before picking one.  This is precisely what the blonde swimwear models did on the very first episode of the very first season of TAR AU – and caused me to root for them immediately – running along the length of the beach inspecting each boats’ outboard motor before correctly picking the one with the highest HP as the vehicle to get on.  Never-mind that most of the US- cast blondes probably wouldn’t know how to look for HP designators on engines even if directly instructed to do so, not even the many ‘gear-head’ teams we’ve had over the past 23 seasons have ever thought to do this.  (PS. Yes, to do this at all, you need to have the navigational skills to arrive in the leading pack before most of the transports were gone, and yes the blonde beauty queens of both seasons of AU had impeccable navigational skills.)

 

Example of toughness: When you see a 100lb blonde lifting her body weight in huge struggling sheep and hurl them over a 3 foot fence to her 100lb blonde teammate in a corralling detour - something you don’t even see the ‘muscle-males’ teams do let alone the blonde girls that cry when lifting so much as a dead swordfish – you have to wonder if they make them a lot smarted and tougher down under than in the US (possible) or that US casting have been abysmal in reflection.

 

Anyway, I highly recommend TAR AU as as good as any past US season to watch while waiting for the current season to air.


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Posted Feb 3, 2014 @ 11:42 AM

This is not the place for discussion of TAR Australia. This forum is for the US based show only.



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Posted Feb 21, 2014 @ 5:35 PM

https://www.youtube....h?v=Qs1OMmURc5I

 

There's the opening of the premiere.  I must say, being from a very musical family, this is easily my favorite intro in 24 seasons!  The constant slashes to the show's budget might hinder the show from ever starting outside SoCal again, but at least this was a very creative and great opening!


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Posted Feb 21, 2014 @ 6:31 PM

Please save the discussion for when (read: AFTER) the episode actually airs.



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Posted Feb 26, 2014 @ 3:47 AM

I've been thinking about what makes this season seem so much less enticing than the first All-Stars, and... it's not just the usual 'familiarity breeds contempt' thing that generally makes returning-player seasons insufferable. I think the bigger problem is that even though these teams are generally among the more memorable in recent years, basically everyone here has about the same amount of emotional depth as (ew, still) BJ & Tyler, who were actively excluded from the first All-Stars because they were so one-dimensional. Once you take out the teams who are clearly going to spend all season playing up to their obnoxious schtick and the teams who are here only for one particular moment, pretty much all you're left with is the country singers (who don't exactly set the world on fire in terms of entertainment value) and Mark and Mallory (and one Frankenteam was more than enough, thank you very much).

 

The producers really need to get away from the thinking that nobody remembers the old seasons - with reruns and DVDs, they're pretty accessible, and even then the fact that teams like Ken and Gerard and the Bowling Moms are inherently more interesting and layered personalities than most recent teams would override it for the viewers who haven't seen them in action yet. It's not doing them any favours.


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Posted Feb 26, 2014 @ 12:24 PM

Also, bringing back teams from the earlier seasons could drum up interest in purchasing said seasons.  


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Posted Mar 5, 2014 @ 12:30 AM

I've been thinking about what makes this season seem so much less enticing than the first All-Stars.

 

 

I really think it's a problem inherent in the show itself. I'm just about off the TAR train, which is a bit sad for me because I haven't missed it since I started watching in season 3. The show is just stale at this point, despite the locales. There's really nothing new - teams have that plasticky sameness, tasks are repetitive (as are locations) and the show itself is kind of glossy now - exemplified for me in the new, short opening. Although I don't watch it, Survivor keeps it fresh by messing with the team dynamics and introducing new elements, which TAR really can't do. Given the sliding ratings, I really think that CBS should rest it for a year and let the producers go out and put together a great race, not just relying on what they already know, and reintroduce it to audiences. 

 

In short, the problems with the show are amplified by the fact that we already know these teams and their strengths and weaknesses. So instead of focusing on the development of team dynamics, I'm more focused on the structure of the show itself, and that's where the problem lies.


Edited by DB in London, Mar 5, 2014 @ 12:33 AM.

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Posted Mar 5, 2014 @ 2:30 AM

Actually, the glossiness kind of makes sense - it has kind of felt like they were relying on visuals more than other elements recently.

 

I do think it's odd that TAR seemed to go through a patch back around TAR10-TAR12 where they seemed intent on shaking it up so much, and yet the past few years the only real twists have been the the Double U-Turn (way to make a bad problem worse, show), the Express Pass (which is tired and clunky, glorifies quitting, and isn't nearly as fun as the producers seem to think), and the $2,000,000 prize twist (which had no bearing on the gameplay and may as well have not existed).

 

Plus there's also the feeling that they really ratcheted up the intensity for TAR11 (seriously, that course is brutal aside from the Poland legs), while so far this season it's actually kind of felt easier than usual?


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Posted Mar 5, 2014 @ 9:22 PM

I do think it's odd that TAR seemed to go through a patch back around TAR10-TAR12 where they seemed intent on shaking it up so much, and yet the past few years the only real twists have been the the Double U-Turn (way to make a bad problem worse, show), the Express Pass (which is tired and clunky, glorifies quitting, and isn't nearly as fun as the producers seem to think), and the $2,000,000 prize twist (which had no bearing on the gameplay and may as well have not existed).

 

 

I think that on a show like Survivor, elements like immunity idols and such really do work and keep the show fresher because it's ultimately about player dynamics more than location or culture.. I really don't think that TAR needs any elements like that because its strengths lie in pure competition, foreign cultures and watching people crumble due to killer fatigue. At its core it can be an exhilarating viewing experience, and was for me especially during the first several seasons. I hated the "come in last/lose everything" that subjected several teams to begging, and think that the speed bump is the best solution for the NEL punishment. But the rest really isn't necessary - double U-turn, express pass, $2 million, etc. It seems like cheap tricks. 

 

I guess my ultimate problem with these teams is that I really didn't like any of them the first time around. I honestly wish that CBS would only order one TAR next season and air it in the winter, giving producers the time to put together a better series.


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Posted Mar 6, 2014 @ 2:51 AM

When this season came on, I was just waiting for the next one with an entirely new cast. Not only are teams rarely interesting a second time around (exceptions being Rob & Amber's epic fall from grace, Dustin & Kandice and Kisha & Jen stepping it up, and seeing early eliminated teams go farther), but they really misjudged the iconic teams of each season. At least the other two times, they nailed at least half of the cast, but TAR21 representation without Ja(y)mes? Picking the least interesting teams from TAR22, Dave & Connor aside? (and the novelty of "Express Pass fail" gets old quickly) The disastrous Frankenteam experiment? And that's not even covering the three 3rd timers who made the same mistakes the second time around.

 

I believe they should have waited longer for All-Stars, especially since they needed threepeats to fill slots. If they couldn't get a hold of enough teams, that's all the more reason to delay All-Stars rather than leave out the real stars. Though I also can't think of a single team from the last season that I actually wanted to see again. With that being one of the most unlikeable casts since Season 6, a badly-casted All-Stars only further diminishes my interest.


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Posted Mar 6, 2014 @ 3:59 PM

The location of the opening leg(s) too is less than stellar. We go from a never-visited (before or since) country in S11 to the first-ever Oceania start in UB to...HK-Macau's third wheel.

 

Even more egregious is the utter absence of S19 returnees, who should have had the threepeats' spots if no other teams from the last four seasons could make it.


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