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Posted Jan 3, 2004 @ 8:28 AM

I read "Lines" by Laura Smith awile back and it was very funny. I definitely second that recommendation.

I also want to whole heartedly concur with everyone else on "Hope..." I am so in love with that fic. I've read it twice now. I want to read it again, but I'm afraid that might prove that I need a job or a boyfriend (whichever's more readily available).

I thought that the whole part of the fic that dealt with Lissa was exceptionally well done. ... classic signs of an addict's personality. Which also shows the attention to detail, and not once did she ever have to write a scene with Lissa actually using drugs into the fic.

I completely agree GoodNightMoon (I love your name, btw), Juliet really put alot into that story, not only by quite effectively depicting the personality of an addict but also the personality of a victim of childhood sexual abuse. In the story she says that Lissa spoke with a child-like voice, which is one sign of an abused person. I was also very impressed by the way Juliet portrayed Pacey and Lissa's co-dependent relationship. All the signs were there, the insecurity and neediness, and guilt. Pacey's minor dependence on alcohol coupled with the slew of all Lissa's problems all lead to self-destrution. And Juliet captured all of that ....
Another thing that just broke my heart in that story was Ryan. I've never known anyone to portray a child so adorably, and accurately. When he said, "Meenyoo, right?" that just about did me in. If I wasn't crying before, I certainly was after that. Gah! That was an amazing story.


I really love this thread. Thank you so much to whoever started it. I had never read fanfic before this thread, and now I'm hooked. No, seriously. It's like heroine. I only read P/J fanfic cuz there is no one better to read about than them. Although, DeepBlueSea and Laura Smith have made me a P/Jen fan as well. They write it so well, and so very steamy!

Edited by cheez n crack, Jan 3, 2004 @ 2:15 PM.


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Posted Jan 3, 2004 @ 12:04 PM

I'm terrible at doing links (but I'll try), but if anyone wants to mosey over to Pages of True Love at http://pub102.ezboard.com/fpjoficsfrm1 there is something there called the January challenge, where a few particulars are given and writers must come up with one-part stories that include said particulars. There's a couple of really sweet ones up already for this month - including one from Juliet that is just...well, I don't want to give anything away, but have a tissue handy!

Edited by ScarletGirl, Jan 3, 2004 @ 2:35 PM.


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Posted Jan 3, 2004 @ 5:27 PM

ScarletGirl, wow...I loved all these stories! I hardly ever read fanfic at this site because I don't care for the message board format. I lose stories or get confused because things move around. <G> I really appreciate your recommending these stories as I probably wouldn't ever have seen them otherwise. Each one was special in its own way. I especially liked the one about all the animals. Even though my daughter is not a P/J-er, I gave her that one to read and also the one titled, Red Crayon, and she liked them both, but especially the one I liked. The one by Juliet was so well done as well. She really is a fantastic writer. Thanks for sharing these.

3edges, I'd read Lines a while back, too, but I reread it when you posted it here--funny stuff.

I also wanted to recommend yet again all those stories by Dana, that dirtyoldlady recommended. I have just spent the last few days reading all of her stories--even the unfinished ones. Each one totally drew me into her P/J world and the unfinished ones are killing me! It looks as if it's been 1 1/2+ years since she's updated her site, though. :-( Am I missing anything here? I wonder if she's off writing novels or something. If so, I'd read them! :-)

cheez n crack, I agree with you about the P/Jen thing in the fanfic. I was never a P/Jen shipper, but in some of those stories, I almost feel that I could turn into one. :-)

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Posted Jan 3, 2004 @ 8:04 PM

Does anyone know if there is any good post-finale fanfic out there?

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 1:37 AM

ScarletGirl, ever since you sent that link to Pages of True Love, I've been over there again perusing the fanfic. Opine, I have seen some post-finale fanfic, but I can't think of any specific stories just now. However, I found this one story that I wanted to recommend: The Lost Moments

Some parts of this were very, very good, though it may be a matter of taste--what you would like to have seen happen. I mostly liked this author's take on things, though there are a few small continuity errors as well, but nothing major that spoiled my enjoyment of the stories. There are a few mechanics problems, but also not anything too major.

It's the last part that really got to me, though. The author wrote a scene between Pacey and Joey that took place just after the conversation between Joey and Dawson in ...Must Come to and End, on the same day of Jen's funeral, and it really took my breath away. I really think maybe she got that part right--or as close as any story that I've yet seen. I thought it was very understated and I could almost see this scene happening between Pacey and Joey as I read.

If anyone reads this or has read it in the past, I'd love to know what you thought about it.

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 5:13 AM

I've read that one, aizjanika. There are some chapters I really liked. (As far as "missing scenes" fics, I agree it's a matter of how you'd like to have seen it gone.)

Actually, the one chapter I did have a problem with was the one with the last conversation you mentioned. I personally found it a little too dismissive of the fact they had just had Jen's funeral that same day. They mentioned her, but it was like, "so that's over with, let's go have sex and then I'll start a restaurant in NY". LOL. But maybe that's just how I read it.

I know I already must have mentioned it, but for that same "missing scene" moment from the finale, I personally cannot recommend The One by DeepBlue Sea enough. That's the fic that I thought got their interaction and conversation exactly right for that moment in time and what had happened between them and to Jen.

Edited by GoodNightMoon, Jan 5, 2004 @ 5:15 AM.


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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 10:14 AM

Aiz, PoTL is my new obsession! I've even found some finished stories there that were left hanging on Capeside Diaries.

And ICAM with GNM recommendation of The One, Oprime. Another great Deep Blue Sea post-finale one of hers is "Something New." Just wonderful!

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Posted Jan 5, 2004 @ 1:54 PM

I know I already must have mentioned it, but for that same "missing scene" moment from the finale, I personally cannot recommend The One by DeepBlue Sea enough. That's the fic that I thought got their interaction and conversation exactly right for that moment in time and what had happened between them and to Jen.


Oh, I did read this one before--probably when you mentioned it before. I had forgotten it by now, though. You are right, though...it's great. I still liked the other one, too, though, as just a scene--maybe not meaty enough to completely satisfy, but I liked it.

but it was like, "so that's over with, let's go have sex and then I'll start a restaurant in NY". LOL. But maybe that's just how I read it.


hehe I hadn't thought of it like that, but I can see how it might come off that way. I thought it was just a little more subtle.

Now I wish I could combine the two. hehe I wish I could write exactly what I would like to see. As I've said before, missing moments from the show that don't change anything that happened on the show in any way are always my favorite fics. hehe I have ideas for things I wish had happened or what I think may have happened between scenes or between episodes, but if I try to actually put it into story form (just in my own mind), it all comes out too sappy and silly and even ridiculous. hehe I admire all the fanfic writers SO much for even daring to put themselves out there like that.

While I love The One, I think my problems with it are just really personal. hehe DeepBlueSea is one of my favorite authors ever, and I love all her stories--even the ones I don't love. hehe Does that make sense? She always draws me into her world during the story, so even if I don't necessarily like the way things go, I usually believe the story while I'm reading it.

But...while the idea of Bodie managing Pacey's restaurant or becoming a partner sounds like a good one, isn't Bodie already a partner in Leery's Fresh Fish and also helping to run the B&B? Could he take on a third commitment--especially one in which he'd be expected to do the lion's share of the work since Pacey wouldn't be there? That's another full-time job for Bodie. In The One, I thought all of this was arranged too easily and quickly, though I admit that if they had done it on the show, they probably wouldn't have done as good a job. While I'm reading the story, I really, really want that to happen, but after, when I think about it, I don't. hehe (This is why I admire DeepBlueSea so much, though.)

I know I am also probably the only person on the face of the planet who had a problem with this, too, but I also don't like the idea that Pacey and Joey would end up living in NYC permanently. hehe I don't know exactly what I would have wanted to happen differently, but I still haven't read a story that has had things happen exactly the way I want (even though I don't know what that is). I still really don't like the idea of Pacey just dropping everything and moving permanently to NY with Joey (as portrayed on the show), though if this did happen, I'd hope it would be something similar to The One.

I don't object to the idea of Pacey going to be with Joey so much as the way it was implied on the show that he just dropped everything to be there so quickly. I'd love a story that explained all of this in a way that would make me happy, even though I don't know what that is. hehe And...how much time went by between Jen's funeral and that scene on the couch? A week? A month? A year?

I know Pacey had his own dreams, too, and was ambitious, as others have pointed out, but in my DC world I just don't see him as a city guy. In my DC world, he is a guy who needs space and a a place of his own, no matter what job he has. I see him as the kind of guy who would enjoy making his house a home and working on it with his own two hands. He needs a lawn to mow, a garage, a workshop, and, most importantly, a slip for his boat. hehe

So...they can live there for a few years...maybe, but eventually, they will settle somewhere else.

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Posted Jan 6, 2004 @ 12:46 AM

Aiz, it's funny, because as much as I do believe that Pacey wanted to be in NYC and pursue his own dreams (it really was always as established for him as for Joey that he wanted out of Capeside), I have also read alot of great fan fics that do end up with the two of them back in Capeside, realizing that it really is a great place.

As to The One, I look at it this way: What DBS wrote, about Bodie becoming a partner with Pacey in The Icehouse, was only starting to take shape in that story. I presume (and this is just me perhaps) that it wasn't going to just all fall into place in a day or two. It was merely the first step in getting things going. And, let's add: do we know that Leery's Fresh Fish was even still in existance? It's not mentioned in the finale at all! Maybe that's adding alot more than I should, but I saw that story as the starting point of how Pacey ended up on that couch, not the whole story. Does that make sense?

BTW, I just read a stee-mee Laura Smith fan fic at CD called Momentary Lapses of Treason. She writes angst (among, ahem, other things) like nobody's business!

Oh, and aiz, I meant to tell you ITA about not liking the message board format of PoTL. But there's so many good stories there, I've been looking passed that!

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Posted Jan 6, 2004 @ 4:45 AM

Aiz, it's funny, because as much as I do believe that Pacey wanted to be in NYC and pursue his own dreams (it really was always as established for him as for Joey that he wanted out of Capeside)


Yes, but out of Capeside does not necessarily *have to mean NYC, does it? hehe Yeah, I know he mentioned NYC or LA or some other city, but that's my own prejudice existing there. And even though he mentioned NYC, I don't necessarily think he meant that his dream was to be there specifically--just somewhere other than Capeside and he mentioned NYC and LA because those are the places where Joey and Dawson were.

I have nothing against NYC, but just think that Pacey wouldn't be happy in a big city like that--not permanently anyway. There are other places besides Capeside or NYC, right? hehe So I can dream... ;-) I don't want to go back to my hometown either, but there are lots of other great places to live. :-) If they went back to Massachusetts, I still think Plymouth would be a great place OR Salem or somewhere around there. Or...maybe they will end up in a small little town in NE North Carolina, but still within the large metropolitan area of VA Beach, VA... Hey, you never know. In my dreams... <G> (Also, I think Pacey could afford a slip for his boat here. It'd be a lot cheaper than in NYC--or Cape Cod! I know, I tend to get hung up on unimportant details like that. hehe)

Really, Pacey wanted to be with Joey, and that was the most important thing to him, IMHO, because that's who Pacey was. I don't think he'd have cared what he had to give up or if he had to start over or what he had to do. He'd do it to be with Joey. There's nothing wrong with that, either, IMHO. Spouses move to be with their husband/wife all the time, and it depends on who is more attached to their career or if/when/where they want to move. I've known career military people to retire early or just get out of the service before retirement age (thus giving up most or all benefits) just to avoid moving--because the spouse (husband or wife) had a good job or was in school and they just didn't want to move. OTOH, I've also known people to give up lucrative careers to follow a spouse whose career took them to another place and that's okay, too. The toolman says he'll go wherever I want to go once he retires since I've always followed him around--but I knew that when I married him and it was part of the package deal. Toolman + marriage = moving around. hehe

But anyway...my point is that I see Pacey as the type of person who would definitely want to be with Joey and that would be wherever she wanted to be--and he would fit his life and his dreams and his career around that. I don't have a problem with that because I don't see it as him being subservient to her, but as that he probably sees his career as "movable" and hers might not be right now. However, in the future...her career might be more flexible and then they might consider living somewhere else. Whew!!! LOL

Maybe that's adding alot more than I should, but I saw that story as the starting point of how Pacey ended up on that couch, not the whole story. Does that make sense?


Yes, definitely! And actually, I absolutely loved that story the first time I read it because it filled in so many blanks for me and made that whole line of reasoning a lot more reasonable to me. And I loved it when I read it again--and every time I read it, I love it. hehe But I just can't help it that I want things to be a little different. OTOH, this story could be "true" in my DC world and then other things could happen later. Was it you that said that Pacey might end up with a whole chain of restaurants? That'd be cool. He might have to travel around for his work, but he and Joey could live somewhere outside the city--on the coast, of course--later on. hee Won't someone write this story for me? hehe

BTW, I just read a stee-mee Laura Smith fan fic at CD called Momentary Lapses of Treason. She writes angst (among, ahem, other things) like nobody's business!


Oh...is this a new one? I'm off to read it right now. Who needs sleep anyway?

Oh, and aiz, I meant to tell you ITA about not liking the message board format of PoTL. But there's so many good stories there, I've been looking passed that!


I know! It's just that I was neglecting that site quite a bit because the format at CD is so much easier to follow. I've also read stories directly from Laura Smith's site and also at that Ode to Pacey and Joey site. That's where I first "discovered" DeepBlueSea and a few other authors. All of these sites are very addicting! Is it wrong to get so caught up in fanfic that I neglect everything else in my life? <G>

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Posted Jan 6, 2004 @ 8:15 AM

I had the exact same feelings/thoughts as ScarletGirl in reading "The One", and one reason I liked the ending is because I don't remember the show ever even once touching upon the fact Pacey and Bodie share the same profession. If Bodie was going to be involved in anyone's restaurant, I would want it to be with the guy who was probably someday going to be his brother-in-law. Heh. And I also agree it was just the framework for what happened to get Pacey to NYC - he'd only just met with his banker, popped the question to Bodie, etc. And by not SELLING the Ice House restaurant, Pacey has kept even a stronger link for P/J to Capeside, which I also liked.

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Posted Jan 6, 2004 @ 2:52 PM

I've just read WantingPJ's stories at Capesidediaries and I really enjoyed them.
I especially liked So Tell Me... which is an ongoing fic, and Restless.

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Posted Jan 6, 2004 @ 3:01 PM

I'm pretty sure that So Tell Me...is one that is complete on POTL. I started reading at CD and then found it completed at POTL.

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Posted Jan 6, 2004 @ 3:03 PM

"So Tell Me ..." is completed over at PoTL, but she's so close to having it complete on CD. I couldn't wait for the ending either so I found it over there. It's definitely worth a read!!! I loved that fic!!!

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Posted Jan 6, 2004 @ 3:17 PM

GREAT! Thanks for that info!! *drops everything and heads to POTL*

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Posted Jan 6, 2004 @ 9:55 PM

Aiz, I don't think the Laura Smith fic is new, I just haven't read alot of hers (there are so many). Truth be told, sometimes they're a little too depressing for me. As much as I can deal with PJ angst, I cannot deal with bad endings. Because I'm a wussy shipper! :-)

And that wasn't me who had once mentioned about The Icehouse being a chain, but I could totally see it (I think, in some fan fic, it's mentioned that his NYC restaurtant is The Icehouse II).

Off to find more gems...

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 12:20 AM

BTW, I just read a stee-mee Laura Smith fan fic at CD called Momentary Lapses of Treason. She writes angst (among, ahem, other things) like nobody's business!


I can't find this title, is it listed under her name in the Author Index? Anyone know if she is till writing? I find that I get really frustrated when I fall in love with a story and then the author stops updating. Laura never does that, I think that is one of the reasons I like her work so much, well that and she can make a page smoke!

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 12:41 AM

Here's the link cp133. :-)

http://www.capesided....php?ficid=1406

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 12:48 AM

can someone help me find a fic. It was called something with the word Resolutions and it was a fic about Clean and Sober. I can't remember who wrote it.

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 1:22 AM

Aiz, I don't think the Laura Smith fic is new, I just haven't read alot of hers (there are so many).


No, you're right. After I started reading it, I realize I'd read it before. I think I've read almost all of her fics. The zombie one, while hilariously funny, is the only one I couldn't finish. hehe Some of them I've actually shared with the toolman. Yeah, he really likes fanfic... hehe

I liked it Momentary Lapses of Treason, though. I think my favorite Laura Smith stories are:
  • Blue

  • Spin

  • Unseen

  • Kiss Me

  • A Little More Numb

  • Wounded (I love this one)

  • Revisionist History
Oh well...there's more, but that's all I have time to peruse right now to see if I remember which is which. hehe

(I think, in some fan fic, it's mentioned that his NYC restaurtant is The Icehouse II).


I haven't read that one, but what a great idea! :-)

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 1:35 AM

Wounded (I love this one)


Does anyone else think that this would have made an excellent episode for Josh to do? I could actually see it in my head as I was reading it. I think that this is my favorite fan fic I have read so far.

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 4:26 AM

I am absolutely physically drained right now. I just read the saddest and the most emotionally/physically draining story I have ever read in my entire life. "A Life Less Ordinary" is 13 chapters of pure torture. Well at least for me. I cried the whole damn time. My head is just pounding from crying so hard. OMG!!!

I am still having a hard time wrapping my mind around it. Every sentence I start to type I have to delete cause I just can't finish it. I don't know what to say. I am totally stunned.

I will have to come back and talk about it later after I have had time to process what I just read. It was so good but so incredibly sad.

It is a good thing that I absolutely adore to cry. Cause damn I did.

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 6:00 AM

lbncj, yes, I think Wounded would have made a great episode. As you said, I can almost see and hear Pacey when I read this story. It's one of the first fanfics I ever read. It is definitely one of my favorites. My daughter really liked it, too.

kattymom, wasn't that story so well done? That author is such a good writer and she seems to really know the details of this type of injury--or at the very least, made it sound convincing to someone like me. I almost felt like I was there in that story. I kept somehow hoping for some big miracle to happen to make it all go away, even though I know it would be silly and ridiculous and unrealistic. I still wanted the miracle.

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 11:42 AM

Mystery (who wrote "Indecent Proposal") just sent me a great chapter of backstory to IP. Let me just say that whenever she feels ready to post, you're all going to have your minds blown. You know how we all complain about not seeing Joey's choice? Mystery does the best job of explaining and showing the choice I've ever read. I'm still sitting here completely stunned by it. Absolutely amazing!!!

I'll be sure to let you guys know when she's getting ready to post.

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 2:13 PM

Awesome news, 3edges! Tell her we're all waiting with bated breath (and yes, once again, I will speak for the masses! ;-))

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 3:03 PM

Juliet's got a new story Can't Get There from Here, it's a rewrite of season 5, so coming from her it will be how we always dreamed it to be.

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 4:28 PM

3edges, I can't wait to read that--wow!

glitter, I just read that first chapter of Juliet's new story and...wow! I want more now.

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 4:34 PM

3edges, I can't wait to read that--wow!

glitter, I just read that first chapter of Juliet's new story and...wow! I want more now.


I can't wait to read these either! I think I'll head over now and read Chapter 1 of Juliet's new story. Another one I'll be constantly watching for updates on!

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 6:08 PM

Hot damn, Juliet's back! I'm frighteningly excited about this (my addiction is only getting worse, but I fully recognize the problem; I'm just not near rock bottom yet!)! If ever a season needed re-telling, it was the heinous season five! Having just read chapter one, I'm psyched! Juliet is taking the time to set up what's going thru both Joey and Pacey's minds, and even just as this early stage, their seperate ways of dealing seem totally in character.

And, please, using The Eagles and Springsteen lyrics as the intro and fade-out? I'm in heaven!

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Posted Jan 7, 2004 @ 6:18 PM

I'm a big fan of Pass These Doors by SweetsnSours. I've read a LOT of P/J fic, and had never communicated with any of the authors, until I read Chapter 6 of this fic. But I just had to thank them for writing it. It's frickin' brilliant. That chapter could stand alone as a great fic, IMO. But the rest of it's good, too :)

Edited because I committed a no-no - I spelled the author's name wrong!

Edited by calalily, Jan 7, 2004 @ 6:20 PM.