The Race Card: Ethnicity on TV
Posted May 12, 2008 @ 9:53 PM
Posted May 13, 2008 @ 3:14 AM
I remember AfterEllen did a lot of complaining that she was a bad role model for both bisexuals and Asian people.
Posted May 15, 2008 @ 7:19 PM
2) re "Reality" Dating Shows: Another point to consider is that if a person of different skin color from the rest gets very far, it will be hard to keep it out of the promos. If only a white woman and a black woman are left on The Bachelor and we see him sliding a ring on a hand, it won't be hard to guess whose hand it is. I don't know how much of a consideration that is, but it might be something the producers think about.
Posted May 19, 2008 @ 10:12 PM
Yeah, the magical native is probably my biggest problem with New Amsterdam as well. If the native people really had that kind of power, wouldn't they have used on themselves instead of a member of a mission of conquest who apparently only balked at killing women?
that this would be the place...
I don't know why Sci-fi and fantasy shows have such trouble writing for minorities
I'm Bolivian-American and YMMV but personally I don't really make a distinction between Latinos and Native Americans; we are all people of Indigenous descent whether from North or South. So...
Okay, I've said before how much I love scifi shows because
shows about human-alien battles end up having a lot of content that is a coded way to talk about racial and cultural poltics and human history. They involve intrigue, shifting alliances, government atrocities and coverups - this was particularly true of the X-Files, which alluded to the US government using smallpox as biologocal warfare, and also had actual plotines about "colonization" of the Earth by hostile aliens. Could it be more obvious? These are things that actually happened between Europeans and Native Americans! And Smallville with the whole theme of Aliens: are they a danger or a gift to a society? How much can they or should they acculturate? Will they contaminate or enrich the prior residents they come into contact with? Should they be feared, controlled, exploited, fetishized, destroyed? Accepted, embraced, revered? There's your whole immigration debate right there!
But the last couple SV episodes have pushed my buttons on this score:
by resurrecting a storyline involving that timeworn trope that no scifi show can manage to avoid, Ancient Indian Prophecies (which were introduced in a Season 2 episode whose Freak of the Week was a "Shape Shifter").
these messages embedded in the overall plots/themes/tropes jump out clearly despite the writers' total cultural insensitivity in episodes that feature actual Indians and Latinos (see BTVS: Inca Mummy Girl, Pangs; X-Files: Shapes, Anasazi, Blessingway, etc etc; SV: Skinwalker, Talisman, Subterranean)... hence the love-hate thing I have going on...
I know I'm just rehashing stuff that's been said before a million times but I think someone needs to write a book for the TV/film industry called We're Just Not That Into You: The No-Excuses Truth to Understanding American Indians. Because, WHY OH WHY do we constantly have to be there to guide & mentor whites??? We're sick of interpreting your history and foreseeing your future for you! Can't you just go to Stonehenge or consult the predictions of Nostradamus or something? Let me tell you, next time you come to us for healing you're gonna have to take a freakin' ticket because our medicine people are busy with our own problems! And while I'm at it, goddammit why can't our ghosts haunt our own people? Why can't our cave-writing prophecies be about our own descendents, huh? Huh? And furthermore we want our stuff back. You should not be wandering around with our amulets and talismans and family heirlooms that some idiot scriptwriter made us gift you. Ever wondered if NAGPRA applies to fictional characters? Don't make us sue your ass.
*deep sigh of relief* Thanks for listening guys, I think I've been waiting since 9th grade to get that off my chest.
Posted May 20, 2008 @ 12:41 AM
And while I'm at it, goddammit why can't our ghosts haunt our own people?
This mutt (including Cherokee and Lakota Sioux) has been wondering that for a long time. I don't mind so much that all depictions of Amer. Indians on TV must include someone who is white and native (since that would be me), even though they often change original material to do it (I'm looking at you "Wounded Knee") but the native guide/ghost for white peeps only thing catches the eye after a while. If it were only sometimes, I don't think I'd care.
Posted May 20, 2008 @ 1:48 AM
Posted May 20, 2008 @ 9:21 AM
I know I'm just rehashing stuff that's been said before a million times but I think someone needs to write a book for the TV/film industry called We're Just Not That Into You: The No-Excuses Truth to Understanding American Indians. Because, WHY OH WHY do we constantly have to be there to guide & mentor whites??? We're sick of interpreting your history and foreseeing your future for you! Can't you just go to Stonehenge or consult the predictions of Nostradamus or something? Let me tell you, next time you come to us for healing you're gonna have to take a freakin' ticket because our medicine people are busy with our own problems! And while I'm at it, goddammit why can't our ghosts haunt our own people? Why can't our cave-writing prophecies be about our own descendents, huh? Huh? And furthermore we want our stuff back. You should not be wandering around with our amulets and talismans and family heirlooms that some idiot scriptwriter made us gift you.
Much word. Chicle Atomico!
As an African-American woman married to a Navajo man, this is something I worry about when we finally have zhindians (zhini = black person in Navajo, term coined by Mr. AkaneKitty's mother) . I mean, it's hard enough to get some nice roles for black people on television now, but it's almost impossible to get any mention of any Native American tribe. Will my children see any one that positively represents a part of themselves? Oh, and Adam Beach does not count for every tribe. It's a start, though.
And I complained more than Mr. AkaneKitty when that dreaded Skinwalker movie came out. That wasn't based on any Skinwalker story I know. Way to just take the name of Navajo(and other tribes) belief/mythos and none of the substance.
Posted May 23, 2008 @ 2:29 PM
Edited by MdMaxx, May 23, 2008 @ 2:32 PM.
Posted May 24, 2008 @ 10:05 AM
Director Chris Eyre (Cheyenne/Arapaho),
I've never done a historical drama, because they all end the same way — the Indians die, and I think to myself, 'Okay, now why is that valuable history?'. . . .It's repeated over and over and even romanticized, almost like Greek mythology.
Shirley Sneve (Sicangu Lakota) an advisor for We Shall Remain
I didn't want another film on Wounded Knee, that's for sure
And my favorite quote,
"Two of the young Native producers who were involved said, 'Please, no flute music,'" says Grimberg. Fixico knows the tired Hollywood shorthand: "Anytime you hear flutes, you know it's a Native person — There's the flute music, so where are the Indians?" he says.
Posted May 24, 2008 @ 3:19 PM
Posted May 24, 2008 @ 4:42 PM
Also, one of the character's name is Navid. He could be Persian.
His last name is Shirazi so that is good bet. Though the actor is apparently of Ecuadorian, Austrian and Norwegian.
If this follows the original, than it would appear that at least the lone black character will be the main character since he would basically be Brandon.
Poor Tristan though he was so great on The Wire and now he has to do this crap. Maybe he and Jessica Walter can bond over being on great well written shows and than going to this one.
Posted Jun 1, 2008 @ 5:35 PM
Poor Tristan though he was so great on The Wire and now he has to do this crap.
I'd seen a quick preview on TV a while back, and while I thought that was Michael Lee, I refused to believe Tristan would actually do this show. Guess I was wrong. From the link posted, I'm getting a very The O.C. vibe from the show, especially with Tristan's character being adopted by the Mills family, much like Ryan being adopted by Sandy and Co. on The O.C., and having to adjust to a new environment. Hopefully, the show will have some focus on Dixon's past and maybe his mother or a sibling can have a recurring role. As it is, we have one Black person and maybe a Persian in the middle of Beverly Hills.
Maybe he and Jessica Walter can bond over being on great well written shows and than going to this one.
Why do I get the feeling the grandmother is going to having problems accepting Dixon as a grandson and stick her foot in her mouth during a drunken fit.
Posted Jun 3, 2008 @ 10:14 PM
I feel the same way about the "Magic Negro" carp. If I don't read about another Bagger Vance, Green Mile style story, it'll be too soon.
. Because, WHY OH WHY do we constantly have to be there to guide & mentor whites???
I'm sorta kinda watching a <HuskyWoman'sVoice>Lifetime Original Movie</HWV> about the Green River killer. Despite the fact that the Green River killer picked from a multitude of races and ethnicities, the movie focuses on two down and out white chicks. Not that I want black women or ethnic women to be the focus of a killer, but it's as if all of these films hold up white characters as the ppl the viewer should identify with.
Yeah, I realize I'm not making sense...I'm high on Obama fever.
Ya know, Producers, we like to see ourselves on TV as more than filler/background/token/body.
Posted Jun 5, 2008 @ 12:36 AM
I only really watch MSNBC and CNN, so maybe CNBC or the BBC news covers him differently. I just wondered.
Posted Jun 5, 2008 @ 7:42 AM
Note that no "blackface" is used.
ETA: Just realized that the movie is directed by Zaib Shaikh (Amaar on Little Mosque).
Edited by PRgal, Jun 5, 2008 @ 8:16 AM.
Posted Jun 5, 2008 @ 7:54 AM
Posted Jun 5, 2008 @ 12:10 PM
Speaking of Obama, or rather the cable news coverage of him and his family. Why is that the news media only seems to show his father's relatives. I also take a little issue with them always referring to him as black. He is biracial. I do know that some biracial people self identify as one ethnicity, based on how society perceives them (often phenotypically).
I think that all of Obama's relatives on his mother's side, other than his sister, are dead, or maybe he doesn't have a relationship with them. As far as him being referred to as black, Obama himself said that if he was living on the wrong side of the law and ended up on the news, he'd be identified as a black man, not a biracial man, so his accomplishments are as a black man as well.
Posted Jun 5, 2008 @ 7:56 PM
I do know that some biracial people self identify as one ethnicity, based on how society perceives them (often phenotypically).
I acknowledged that. I'm not questioning how Obama self identifies.
I believe he has said that he was raised by his mother, not his father's relatives in Africa. He has said, that when he finally travelled to Africa to track down and meet his dad, he had already passed away. So his relationship with his relatives there is new at best. However, when they interview family , they always go to the people who have met him only once or twice. I was just wondering if it is at his mother's family's request that they not be interviewed, or is it the news media that made the decision who they would interview. Even if he only has his mother and his sister (aside from his wife and children), it would be more appropriate to interview them, as opposed to his dad's family.
I guess, if I ever run for public office, I should expect that my distant latino relatives that I met once when I was 10, will be interviewed because I look more like them, than my actual immediate family.
Posted Jun 5, 2008 @ 11:38 PM
However, when they interview family , they always go to the people who have met him only once or twice. I was just wondering if it is at his mother's family's request that they not be interviewed, or is it the news media that made the decision who they would interview.
His grandmother, who he lived with throughout high school, still lives in Honolulu and is frail and doesn't want to give interviews but she is reportedly still close with him and his sister. His sister has done commercials, interviews, and outreach to the Asian voters. I also find it weird when they talk to his Kenyan grandmother-how well could she know him? His dad didn't even know him that well.
Posted Jun 6, 2008 @ 2:18 AM
I count the media trips to Kenya as part of the Wow! look at this angle that John McCain certainly doesn't give them.
I also find it weird when they talk to his Kenyan grandmother-how well could she know him? His dad didn't even know him that well.
I've got kind of a sick 'death watch' going for the Republicans to start using his family entanglements, like that the sweet little granny in Kenya isn't his blood-grandmother, but another of his polygamist grandfather's wives. (Polygamy! Mooooslims!) If I remember 'Dreams from my Father' right, his true grandmother was some cold, mean woman who shook him down for money when he met her. CNN covered their bases in their story on Kenya granny by putting quote marks around 'granny.' However, he did seem to have become close to her, and I actually found her interview to be great, as she showed how on top of the campaign she was, right down to talking nice about Hillary.
I find the hidden McCain daughter, the 'black child,' to be intriguing. If I were the McCain handlers, I'd see it as a great way to appeal to Christians--his wife plucked her from a Mother Teresa orphanage! A way to appeal to immigrants--look, I have one of you living in my house! Trot that kid out for a wave to the crowd! Instead, every time I see his daughter on TV, it's the trashy blonde one, doing her best nicer version of Paris Hilton: My Dad like totally rocks!
Posted Jun 8, 2008 @ 4:26 PM
Posted Jun 9, 2008 @ 6:15 PM
Can I just say that "Arab" is an ethnolinguistic category? You have Arabs that look white, Arabs that look black, and Arabs that look "Arab".
In theory, any real life Othello would have likely appeared Middle Eastern to us modern types (in my mind I seen the character as played by a modern Egyptian, personally). Given that many Italians are of Arabic and Persian decent, it could work.
Posted Jun 10, 2008 @ 12:09 AM
Posted Jun 10, 2008 @ 9:41 AM
Carlo Rota looks like this
He's also Morris, Chloe's ex-husband, on 24. This casting could be interesting. Let's see how it plays out.