The WWE: Y’all Know It Belongs Here
Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 11:54 AM
I loved seeing Edge last night, too. I am 100% lesbian, but I have a bit of a crush on him. He's so amusing, and he looks so darn cute with his hair like that. I thought it was cute that they had my most hated Randy Orton "kidnap" Kane's dad on the same episode where Edge makes an appearance. Sorry, bucko- been there, done that, and at least it had Edge throwing dummy-Paul down a ladder, down a flight of stairs, and got him hit by a car.
Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 2:20 PM
The Edge/Cena opener was good as well. I love intense Edge, but I'm not sure about the new 'do. It will take time to get used to. But I do like Intense Yoda Edge. He needs to talk more sense into a lot of people. I'd totally pay for one of Edge's Motivational Speaking Seminars. "Get off your lazy ass and get your Masters degree! You're letting everyone down.....you're letting Shawn Micheals down! The Undertaker! ME!" "Finish the laundry bitch! Use fabric softner! The one with the Snuggles Bear! Dammit! Brock Lesnar doesn't use that one! He doesn't care how soft his clothes are!" Because after that promo, I felt motivated. It was awesome. I love how in a few weeks, Lesnar/Cena is more interesting than Rock/Cena was in what felt like 5 years, but was a year. And Lesnar is not that great of a speaker, but he's actually a better speaker than the Rock. Why? Because as much as I don't like Lesnar.......I can actually believe at moments that he is reading this and he may sneak up from behind and choke me for what I am posting. And I am almost scared. Almost. Bouncy bastard.
So my Mizlette has the Annual Youtube Match against Goofball Santino "I don't deserve a title, but I have one anyway" Marello? Cheese and Crackers. I'm watching it against my better judgement because I support Miz. The screencap is like an Internet Meme come to life. Everytime I see Santino, I want someone to just punch him in the face. I'm going to call him "Why is Santino?" until this trainwreck ends. Because Why? Why is Santino the US Champ? Why? I am so sick of it all. Give that title to someone who deserves it and is more than a gimmick comedy yes man. (Not to be confused with the Amazing YES YES YES man who can wrestle.) Also, why are the Tag Champs constantly jobbing? So it's like......Tag Champs get built up.....Stupid One of Air Boom smokes FAKE marijuana, gets suspended, comes back, gets suspended again, and now we have jobbers with Hot Girl Manager #501....and they job all the time? Okay. Awesome. So I call them "Jobber Boys Featuring Hot Girl #501." And I like Rosa. She yells in Spanish and does not care. Also, side note....Brodus Clay, please do something besides three moves and hanging out with annoying people like Hornswaggle. I'm more interested in his dancers at this point because they look like they probably are better wrestlers at this point.
Reg CM Punk (yeah like I'd post and not mention Jericho, whatevs, guys) I knew he wasn't drunk, but that was funny. It was Jericho's intensity and their chemistry that sold it for me. It looks like they're having fun at this point. Also, note to WWE....when you get guys to lose to vets, have them learn from Jericho because he at least makes them look good. That Kofi match can easily be put on a future Kofi DVD or used as Kofi clip or something. Sure, he lost, but Jericho made him look like a decent wrestler. Also, Jericho is playing up all of Punk's strengths- his promo skills and intensity. They bounce off of each other very well. I don't know how either one of them didn't laugh during that whole sobriety thing, though.
And I am mad at myself. Lesnar is like a face to me now. I loved his contract signing. He's such an honest jackass and I love it. The whole list of demands, grabbing Laurenitis and making him talk in the mic, and the way he sat in the chair. So beautiful. He may make Cena snap finally and turn heel. It's like he knows that everyone thinks he's a major asshole and he's embracing it- and he clearly doesn't care. I hate myself for it, but I think I am starting to love that bouncy asshole. It's so beautifully crafted.
Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 3:14 PM
Where are you Akane Kitty, when this board need you???
*blushes* I'm here! Had a post earlier but I lost it. But responding to yours is much better.
I loved it. It did look like it affected him, but he shrugged it off like a BOSS. I love me some Kane. And Mr. AkaneKitty was impressed with Kane's vocabulary.
Kane's response to Randy Orton kidnapping Paul Bearer was pure gold.
LOL at the "I am this lame!". And who decided to let Orton talk? Ryder, my dear sweet Woo Woo Woo kid, needs to be in Orton's spot right now.
not even Orton's "I am this lame!" pose on the ring post didn't mean a damn thing because Kane verbally owned him. It was just totally awesome. I loved it so very much that I almost wanted to be Kane's next bride. Just beautiful. So beautiful.
And Kane is mine, damn it.
LOL again. I'd like Edge to be GM over Laryngitis. And seeing Edge makes me miss Lita, especially with this abortion of a Diva division...
I'd totally pay for one of Edge's Motivational Speaking Seminars. "Get off your lazy ass and get your Masters degree! You're letting everyone down.....you're letting Shawn Micheals down! The Undertaker! ME!" "Finish the laundry bitch! Use fabric softner! The one with the Snuggles Bear! Dammit! Brock Lesnar doesn't use that one! He doesn't care how soft his clothes are!" Because after that promo, I felt motivated.
Why is he with Horny? I thought he was with Santino? Oh well, as long as Naomi stays on my screen I'm happy.
Brodus Clay, please do something besides three moves and hanging out with annoying people like Hornswaggle. I'm more interested in his dancers at this point because they look like they probably are better wrestlers at this point.
And why isn't Kofi near or in the main event? He's over! He kept his overness despite depushes. His SOS was a thing of beauty. Why damn it Why?
Also, note to WWE....when you get guys to lose to vets, have them learn from Jericho because he at least makes them look good. That Kofi match can easily be put on a future Kofi DVD or used as Kofi clip or something. Sure, he lost, but Jericho made him look like a decent wrestler.
Me: How do you think Jericho's bitchin jacket is powered?
Mr. AkaneKitty, electronics expert: Assuming LED lights, a few volts.
Punk trolled Jeritroll and it was awesome.
Eve as executive assistant. Really?
A Bella won the title. Meh. I'll only forgive it if Kharma comes back and destroys them. And even though I don't care for Beth, she got a shitty reign. If Kharma isn't coming back Eve needed to win it.
Why isn't Zack getting revenge of some sort?
Kane needs to tell Cena I told you so.
Cena, go back to the chaingang. I want you to be the destroyer of all IWC hopes and dreams. Something big needs to happen at ER. He doesn't need another loss. If they don't want Mr. Bounce Bounce to lose, have Cena do a desperation heel tactic and get the match thrown out.
Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 8:39 PM
I've always thought that was a dumb test since plenty of completely sober people can't do it.
I did notice that, for his third chance, he still said the ZYXs wrong- he said S before T.
As for the tag champs, I prefer the names BeltRack1, BeltRack2, and Hot Latina.
Why isn't Zack getting revenge of some sort?
Cause they are burying him back to the lower midcard. I don't know if anyone here follows it but they are now heavily editing his youtube show. Like they cut out more than half of the last episode so it was basically a clip show with a couple actual lines and the Ziggler section
Edited by Maniac64, Apr 24, 2012 @ 8:41 PM.
Posted Apr 24, 2012 @ 9:12 PM
I am so hoping that Ryder's show being cut short is a storyline. The Raw in my head- which is way better, by the way- has it as a storyline. I still want my Mizlette/Ryder friends storyline. They can bond over having accomplishments and not being recognized nor respected for them- and having spiky hair. I can see Miz teaching Ryder his version of game. And I am still baffled that R Truth was fed to Lord Tensai last night. I'm so sick of giant dudes coming into the WWE and squashing people in three minutes. At least when Three Minute Warning did it, there was a story behind it- and hell it was kind of funny and they were supposed to be douchemuffins. I mean, when Brodus Clay did the Dinosaur Dance, I laughed. When he squashed the Wendy's Mascot, I wanted chicken nuggets and a Frosty- and I laughed some more. But when he squashed A Ry, I wondered "Whose Cheerios did A Ry piss in to constantly get screwed in WWE?" And then when Drew McEntryre got squashed, I wondered "Does Vince let anything go?" Then, like everyone got fed to him like teens in a Jason movie. Now, decent wrestlers are getting fed to a low-mid card guy from 8 years ago who was propped by Trish Stratus? Awesome. I'm sure he was great in Japan, but how can I tell when he's spending a few minutes squashing people and not doing too much? But I like his manager.
I also want a Brock Lesnar internet meme from last night's contract signing. I hate myself, but dude. It was brilliant. He repeats himself, but I love the whole stance. Of course he'll kill it with one sentence. "I'm bringing my wife, Sable back." I'm all for women's rights and equality, but that's one case where she needs to stay home and just, you know, be far away from WWE. Very far away.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 12:47 AM
To say nothing for the fact Beth was days away from surpassing Maryse as the longest reigning Divas Champion. Maryse hasn't exactly been complimentary to WWE lately. It seems to me they're bitter enough to have waited before doing the switch.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 1:04 AM
The Bellas contract is up on April 30, which is this next Monday. So expect Kharma to show up and crush them both on the next RAW, or maybe even at the PPV.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 7:27 AM
The IWC keeps saying this is "Worst PPV EVA!" But I beg to differ. Yeah, I'd put Miz on the actual card, but I'll settle for you tube. It has John Cena in a blood bath with Lesnar returning with no pretense as a total asshole, Kane VS Orton, with awesome build up, Sheamus VS Daniel Bryan 2 out of 3 falls (I'm timing all of them and I will post the times after the PPV, I promise), Jericho and Punk in a drinking contest, blood bath, street fight, whatever, and now Kharma destroying a set of stupid and annoying twins? Oh hell yeah. That's like a metaphor for Kharma destroying the horrible Diva's division. I hope she breaks the Magical Butterfly Belt right after and throws it out the ring and comes back with a completely different more dignified Women's belt that's totally kick ass. And I want to see a freaking tag team championship match from Why Is the Champs?!!
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 9:54 AM
Though good luck making the crowd boo Kharma if she's supposed to be a heel.
I had subscribed to the idea the Kharma is fate in wrestling gear. She is not good. She is not evil. She simply is.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 12:30 PM
I have a couple questions about how all of this works. I have only been watching since about November of 2010, when my wife got me into it. (Santino and Koslov were my hooks.) I know that pro-wrestling is all fake, but are all of the outcomes of every match pre-determined? How do people get status and get shitloads of airtime? When A-Ry was the Miz's bitch, we saw him every week on Raw, sometimes even on Smackdown. Now they're broken up, have been for about a year and we only get to see him when some gargantuan fellow that looks like he has a pituitary gland tumor pummels him in 90 seconds or less. Do you have to work your way up from the bottom, or are some people just supposed to be the stars and others background filler?
Are those untelevised WWE events like the Smackdown tours basically dress rehearsals for them? I remember after seeing one, we saw Smackdown on TV and much of the storyline and dialogue were exactly the same. (We did get to see Alberto Del Rio grab some little kids sign and rip it to pieces, which was cool. He also said that Toledo people are the most declasse and uncouth folks in the world, something I totally can attest to and agree with.)
Has Santino always been a comedy wrestler? I happen to like him, even though he's not the greatest wrestler, because he can always manage to put a smile on my face. I always giggle when he wears his unitard with the Italian flag and speaks with what I'm assuming is a fake Italian accent because the guy was born and raised in Canada to parents of Italian descent.
What ever happened to John Morrison and Yoshi Tatsu?
Finally, what is with the massive amounts of John Cena hate? I really like the guy, and find him to be a good wrestler and good on the mike and he always seems to make his opponents look good. Did he throw a sack of puppies into a frozen pond or fuck all of the adult fans' husbands and wives or something? Kids still seem to like him, as do the women. My mom seems to think he's eye candy for some reason, when I think he looks like he could be a humanzee, the byproduct of that Russian experiment where they attempted in vain to breed an army of superhumans by trying to impregnate human females with chimpanzee sperm.
Edited by Myndela, Apr 25, 2012 @ 12:32 PM.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 4:30 PM
Wrestling politics is a strange thing. Everything apparently goes through Vince, so the WWE shuffles according to his whims. For instance, Eve and the Bellas are apparently his favorites, so look at their current positions right now. Nattie just got off of a farting gimmick, despite her talent.
Who you are friends with affects your place too. Sheamus works out with HHH, so he got a high spot. Vince likes ADR for some reason, so he has a high spot too. Punk/D. Bryan have their spots due to Vinve not being able to ignore the fans anymore. Ryder got over on his own, but apparently Vince didn't like that (despite Cena vouching for him, shows Cena's stroke) and now he's back to the lower midcard apparently. Kofi, despite being over, can get any kind of storyline going for him.
It's a strange beast. I've been watching for 15 years and still don't get it at times. All I can do is predict the feud.
JoMo didn't renew his contract and is taking the time to do some acting lessons and heal up his body. Hopefully the Shaman of Sexy from the Palace of Wisdom comes back soon. Yoshi's still around. You see him mostly on NXT.
Tours often test out storylines, matches, and work out kinks before appearing on TV. This is also where you can get a 10 minute diva match.
Santino is mostly a comedy wrestler, but he can wrestle. Same with Brodus.
Cena hate? I will never get it. I understand not liking the guy, but hate he gets is unreal. The IWC says it's due to being shoved down people's throats, but I always ask, where is the hate for boring ADR being in the main event all this time? For HHH and Batista when they were running wild. Faces tend to dominate and rarely lose, so why should that change for Cena?
People also forget that Cena led the WWE out of the dark Benoit scandal, helping to rehabilitate the WWE's image. He took over when Mr. Bounce Bounce left for the UFC, and others retired or quit. He made stars out of Miz, Edge, and others.
I guess they wanted Cena to demand to lose more. Cena asked for heel turn years ago but the WWE said no. What more can he do? He's a company man doing what's asked of him. And losing to the Rock (smH) is indicative of that.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 7:23 PM
Tensai's American/Caucasian. He's not supposed to be Japanese. His gimmick is that he's a former WWE star (Albert, A-Train at different times) who went to Japan and reinvented himself.
What ethnicity is Lord Tensai? He has all of this Japanese stuff as part of his shtick, yet he looks Polynesian to me. It kind of reminds me of when they used Hispanic people to play Koreans on "MASH".
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 7:48 PM
Wrestling status is really a mixture of politics/luck/circumstances. If Vince likes you, you are definitely given a lot of chances to succeed. Orton, Hogan, The Rock, Edge HHH are examples of this paying off. These guys were always being pushed but they took advantage of it. Of course, this doesn't always work out ADR still not going over and Bobby Lashley never reached the status Vince seemed to want him to reach before he left. Of course if he hadn't Vince would probably still try to get him over as the next big thing.
There are those whose rise were more due to luck or luck and opportunity. Austin, CM Punk, and Mick Foley are good examples of this. They were guys who for a time lagged in mid card but then they happened to be in the right place, right time, and right angle became big time superstars. Austin wins the King of the Ring and was able to give the 3:16 promo due to HHH being punished for the Garden incident. CM Punk first big push comes winning the MITB due to Jeff Hardy failing a drug test. Then this time is giving a chance to give a shoot promo for his exiting storyline that created a firestorm. Of course, Punk was on the other side when his opportunity was taken during his second title reign due to backstage politics with the Undertaker. Mick Foley was able to turn a one time gag Mr Socko to the beginning of a major babyface push that led to his first world title run.
Circumstances of the whole WWE also affects things. Bret Hart and HBK were able to get pushed into main event status due to industry changing and Vince's problems with the law over steroids.
Why is Cena hated? Probably because he changed his theme song. Okay maybe not but I really digged his old theme song. HOwever, in a way it is kind of the truth. Cena rose to fame as the Dr of Thugonomics with the chain around his neck to then become who he is now with the dog tags and the rainbow of shirts. Cena has benefited and also been victimized by circumstances. He has been constant for the last decade when nothing else really has. Lesnar, Rock, Angle, Lashley, and Batista were all guys the WWE wanted to be the new leaders for the WWE but all left. UT and HHH have been off and on again wrestlers for a long time now. HBK, Austin, Edge retired. Benoit and Eddie died. Other superstars like Jericho, Christian left and came back to the wwe. Orton, Edge(before retiring) and Batista(when he was there) all kept getting injured. Then others like Jeff Hardy and RVD blew there big pushes with drugs. Cena has remained there. Cena is a victim of circumstance because there has become a big gap between certain wrestling fans and what they like. It is like the Austin and Hogan era fans are all together at the same time. Cena is Superman and guys like Punk are Batman. Some fans always have to compare and favor one over the other while I like them both.
Edited by ybrik, Apr 25, 2012 @ 7:51 PM.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 8:12 PM
A Ry- I believe he pissed in someone's Cheerios. That's why he's being treated so poorly. He had a decent push and a built in story, but ..... nothing. He's also fed to job to whatever monster of the week is getting pushed. I've seen worse botches from the Big Show, and they had the Most Awesome Dr Evil, Cody Rhodes job to him at Wrestlemania, and still face him again at Extreme Rules, Starring Brock Lesnar, King of the Bouncy Castles. Let's all hope he does not have a crazy spouse/significant other out there, a'la Drew McEntire.
Santino- He stole Zack Ryder's belt. What's next? His you tube show? When that happens, Vomit Comet in his Snake Sock! Eh, I'm sick of him, but it's cool you like him. I thought he was a gimmick, till he stole Zack Ryder's belt and they wrestled together on the same team like nothing happened. Quote Miz "Really, really, really?" I mean, can it not be mentioned? At all? Especially how Ryder lost it?
Cena- Some people, IMO, don't want to admit that their favorites (I'm looking at you Mr Rock Q Johnson) could possibly do a THING wrong, so they blame who's easier to blame- a scapegoat, if you shall. Also, doesn't hurt that kids like Cena. He's a nice dude, seems like it anyway (from interviews, Make a Wish stuff, other charity things, his numerous public apperances, his drive, the fact that he's you know been ride or die WWE no matter what and not totally drugged out- but on top), so people blame the easiest target- the other guy. If it weren't Cena, it'd be whomever was there. There are so many excuses, but I've heard all the IWC backlash and real life backlash, so I don't know what is more ridiculous. I personally think that it boils down to "I think my guy was kind of bad. Wrestler X couldn't pull that much dead weight to put over Wrestler Y. So I am pissed. I will blame Wrestler X. It is his fault. Grrrr." I mean, one guy can only do so much and any person can have a bad night, but anyone with eyes or a brain can see that Wrestlemania should not have been it. Also, Rock, you had a year. Instead of talking about beating some candy ass, you should have either been practicing beating some candy ass or training to beat some candy ass. You can read scripts while on tread mill or at the gym. Run lines while kickboxing. I am 5'7 and about 120 lbs and I am sure you can beat my candy ass, and look, I just trained you for your Wrestlemania match better than you trained yourself. Do you smell what I am cooking?
Or perhaps Cena kicked all these people's puppies? But I know that a lot of these people who rock Punk shirts now and scream his name, were so pissed that a dude who did not drink was in WWE when he first came. This is people IRL that I know. It wasn't till he said "I don't care if someone drinks or not, I will be friends with them anyway, it's their choice." Or something like that. Then it was.....whatever. Then years later, the gravy train started. Eventually, Cena will become cool again and everyone will be all about him, and I will remember their hatred and I will laugh. Like Kane.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 9:43 PM
So... celebrate! Or throw things in anger.
Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 9:51 PM
Cena also seems to be a standup guy who seems to be willing to go to bat for someone he believes in. As mentioned he was supportive of Ryder. he also spoke out over Bryan's release over the choking incident.
Frankly, the most controversial thing about Cena is how uncontroversial he is which is good to promote to children but not so much for adults.
Posted Apr 26, 2012 @ 9:51 AM
This stood out to me.
He made stars out of Miz, Edge
Cena never made Edge a star. Edge stole the show at WM before Cena even put on a pair of tights..or shorts. As for Miz...he made him look like a joke. He did the same in November...consistently owning him and R-Truth at the same time.
It matters not what Cena does outside of the ring. Losing isn't the same as putting someone over as whenever he loses it's because of interference or heel tactics (most of the time). RVD in 06, Edge interfered. Miz last year's Mania- Rock interfered.
Posted Apr 26, 2012 @ 12:23 PM
I have to disagree with this to a point. Despite his tag success, Edge reached the point where the fans turned on him because he was so unpopular -- leading to his initial heel turn (well, after years of being a babyface following the split with Christian). While he got a lot of heat due to the Hardy-Lita situation, he didn't become the major star he is now until his rivalry with Cena.
Cena never made Edge a star. Edge stole the show at WM before Cena even put on a pair of tights..or shorts. As for Miz...he made him look like a joke. He did the same in November...consistently owning him and R-Truth at the same time.
In other news, Rey Mysterio has been suspended for 60 days for a wellness violation, according to WWE.com. Rey and PEDs? Color me shocked. [/sarcasm]
Posted Apr 26, 2012 @ 12:58 PM
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Posted Apr 26, 2012 @ 2:08 PM
While he could freshen up some of the moves, all faces typically have Moves of Doom. The term was originally for Bret Hart, one of the best wrestlers around for crying out loud. Face Shawn Micheals, HHH, Edge, Rey all have the same set of moves. It's designed for audience pops.
I still blame the WWE for taking away alot of his moves.
And to say Cena was shoved down our throats, well wasn't Edge (who I love), Randy, Brock, HHH, The Rock and Austin all shoved down our throats? Its not Dana's fault that stuff has happened to other wrestlers that Vince refuses to do changes to Cena.
This. And you have to remember Brock and Lashley leaving led to Vince's paranoia about letting wrestlers take the ball and run with it. And Cena being the good guy was good for the WWE's image.
I think some fans ought to realize that not every face can be an anti hero like Punk or Orton. Faces like Clay, Santino, and Ryder are needed too. And adults can like happy faces. I love me some Clay, I like Cena, and I like Punk. But if the IWC had its way, everyone would be heels.
You know, if smarks were so smart, instead of cheering heels and causing situations forcing turns heel or face, they'll need to do this.
Heel you like? Boo hard. Face you don't like or want to turn heel like Cena? Be quiet. Want a face to take Cena's place? Cheer him louder over Cena. Hopefully it'll catch on in other citys. Problem solved.
That comes from that little bounce he does on the stage before coming down the aisle. I call him Mr. Bounce Bounce.
Okay, can someone explain the Brock Lesnar Bouncey thing to me? I clearly missed something.
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Edited by AkaneKitty, Apr 26, 2012 @ 4:50 PM.
Posted Apr 26, 2012 @ 10:20 PM
One of the widely recognized problems WWE has is their lack of stars. For years it was just Cena and to a much lesser degree Orton. It's the reason Brock and Rock are needed.
Punk made himself a major player.
Posted Apr 27, 2012 @ 1:18 AM
If make is your sticking point, then he elevated wrestlers like Miz and Edge. Even Ziggler. Barrett too, even though creative screwed that up. But that's not Cena's fault.
I'm sorry...who did Cena make?
But that's not Cena's nor even Orton's fault. Cena hasn't been holding people down. It's creative who failed to elevate stars. And loss against Cena in a program elevates the wrestler by making him look legit. After the program is over, it's mostly on creative keep said elevated wrestler's momentum going.
One of the widely recognized problems WWE has is their lack of stars. For years it was just Cena and to a much lesser degree Orton.
Rock and Brock are short term solutions. Building up people like Ziggler, Kofi, Cody, et all are long term solutions. And even the cost of bring back Rock and Brock ,ay be too high. Look at how Miz, Ziggler, and Kofi feel down the card as soon as they arrived.ADR is still up there, but's because Vince has a hard on for him. And say what you will about Cena, he get's a reaction. ADR gets nothing but crickets.
It's the reason Brock and Rock are needed.
But this is a creative failure, not Cena.
Imagine who those wrestlers must feel now? Rock comes in, gets to shill his movies, not have to wrestle on the road like everyone else, go over Cena, get his pay check, and leaves. Brock is in a similar situation. How is this helping the WWE in the long term? At least Jericho is actually back out on the road wrestling, and making other wrestlers he faces (Kofi/Punk). Rock made no one look good. Jury's out on Brock.
With help from Cena, Vince, and HHH. Because you know Punk wouldn't be able to do that awesome shoot with some authorization from Vince.
Punk made himself a major player.
TL'Dr It's not Cena holding anyone down. I think he's as much tied up like everyone else. He might have a bit of pull, but even his request to turn heel got turn down. What more can he do?
Posted Apr 27, 2012 @ 7:26 AM
You know who has pull? HHH- married to Stephanie. Rock- has movies, plus, he will always be Vince's Bottom Bitch. (Has been since 2001) Brock Lesnar- Because he can and will walk away from this business in a heart beat and not care. Jericho- To a degree, because he has outside projects and he has brains. He will argue to get what he wants, but he'll sit there and he'll actually work with the guys. He won't come back till he can work the whole schedule. IWC hates it, for some reason, but I respect the hell out of it. And he's loyal to the WWE. Laurenitis- Vince's talent bitch. He brings Vince eye candy. Gross.
If you can get in under any of those guys and get them to want you pushed, then you're good. If they want to work with you, then you're good. If they don't, then you're not good. Jericho wants to work with Punk, he gets a good storyline and he kept the belt for a long time. He also wants matches with Kofi. He is also friends with Miz. Miz gets a push. And a Wrestlemania match. Punk is friends with Daniel Bryan. Punk tells Jericho how talented Daniel Bryan is, he introduces them. Jericho is convinced- remember- Jericho was bff with Benoit- AKA He Who Shall Not Be Named In WWE- Daniel Bryan gets big push. That is how WWE works. Cena has no pull. Sadly. If Cena had pull, he would be heel. Cena and Jericho are friends, so hopefully it will work out. But Lesnar is the big heel, and working a program with Cena and that's not how the circle works.
Posted Apr 27, 2012 @ 9:08 AM
As I think back Rock never really made stars either (other than Jericho)...but he made every opponent look strong. Even Hurricane.
Vince gave the ok but had no clue what would actually be said.
With help from Cena, Vince, and HHH.
HHH did jack...in their only one on one match HHH won and Punk didn't look as strong. Hell the whole culmination of what Punk started ended with him vs Nash.
I agree that Brock is short-term. Rock too, to a degree except he'll be coming back more often.
Why should they care? The money trickles down...Rock went over someone who didn't need that win. It's a different story if he took on Ziggler or Miz (and yes he beat them at SS but that was only due to R-Truth's suspension).
Imagine who those wrestlers must feel now? Rock comes in, gets to shill his movies, not have to wrestle on the road like everyone else, go over Cena, get his pay check, and leaves.
Bullshit. The number one guy in the company has no pull? Whether or not he uses it is different. The only reason they never turned him heel is because they would lose their biggest moneymaker. Now with Punk often out-selling Cena in merch it could happen.
Cena has no pull.
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I don't need to pretend. His lack of selling after getting beat down does it for me.
What face sells a beatdown unless it's a part of storyline advancement? Rock, Austin, and Hogan never sold. Hell, Austin was mostly drinking beers after his wins. Facing coming back and winning pops the crowd.
If Cena had that much pull, wouldn't he be heel? f Cena had so much pull, why isn't Zack Ryder riding high and wearing diamonds now with his US Title? Why aren't all of his buddies sitting pretty with championships and countless wins? Why has he lost so many times? Why did he lose at Wrestlemania to an obviously ring rusted Rock and then do the Sad Panda on the ramp? Why did he then go on the Apology Tour 2012 after and then lick the Rock's boots only to get F5'd by Brock Lesnar? Why is he being booked now as a scared kid?
This. Even with Cena backing him, it took Zack a long time to get back on TV and get a push. Look where he is now?
I'm sure if Cena had his way he probably would have been heel a long time ago. And I'm sure he would have liked to have an edgy character, but he couldn't even curse until late last year. And I'm sure he wouldn't be wanting to look like a scared kid.
Cena is not the reason the WWE is where it is right now. That falls on Vince.