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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 3:04 PM

I can't agree with Lisa Bloom when she says college is the only way to have a successful life. Look at plumbers, electricians, or anyone who learned a trade. A lot of them seem to do very well. Or does Lisa just think she's above that kind of work?

Edited by Hag23, May 2, 2012 @ 3:05 PM.

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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 10:03 PM

Well just look who her mother is...Gloria Allred. Lisa is so out out touch with reality, I wouldn't take her opinion concerning life skills with a grain of salt.
There are some blue collar jobs that pay a 6 figure salary.
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Posted May 3, 2012 @ 7:26 AM

The entire show seemed like a shill for Lisa's book. So we need a book to see how many young men (and women) want to pose their way through life, hoping to fall into money, and wanting fame more than anything else? Thanks Lisa. The rest of us hadn't caught on. And, by the way, I'm sure all of your "solutions" have been tried many times by parents since the first slacker child refused to milk the cow because he was saving his hands for vaudeville.

The first kid will grow out of it. The second kid needs therapy. If they need a lawyer they can call Lisa Bloom and I'm sure she'll recommend a referral service in their area.

Oh and the irony of Lisa-child-of-Gloria being concerned about anyone lusting for fame is beyond sweet. Most lawyers do their jobs for average salaries. And Lisa? Men and women who didn't go to law school or college start companies dedicated to roofing, construction, child care and cleaning services and make money hand over fist. Some not only don't want to BE on TV, they don't even watch it. Aint that a kick?

(David Foster was great in his role as burned out fuss pot. Having a musician that "King Keith" could relate to must have been beyond Phil's budget).
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Posted May 3, 2012 @ 9:45 PM

The mother and sister of the guy that killed his girlfriend was in serious denial. The woman may have been a bitch but she didn't deserve to get killed. Jane Vilez Michell at least had the courage to call them out on it. Phil just sat there with his hands up his ass. And please someone tell me what good it did to bring the familys of the murderer and the victim together?
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Posted May 3, 2012 @ 9:46 PM

I'm not going to get on Alex for her weight gain - yet I think it should have been addressed. Rather than meditation at the beach are there not exercise programs to be encouraged to go to? Perhaps a little garden on premises to meditate?

I think the Orchids (?) should not be particularly proud of how thier Program was presented. And a gun to cover up her tattoo? Yikes. IIRC - that was not addressed either. Who paid for that? But then I was appalled anyway at the luxury and lack of discipline. IE education, breakthroughts, helping people, etc. Seemed to me she didn't walk the talk yet parroted it back. With fake tears. And, oh - all the new outfits!

Reminds me when she got a trip to encourage her interest in marine life - 8 years ago. And given every opportunity to pursue it. It will take a very long time to taper her off this luxury rehab resort, train her for a job that will barely support her - and her children etc.

She is not going to get her kids for years and I can't imagine their ages at that time and being away from their granparents, family and adjusting to their lives right before heading out on a life for themselves in another state - as Shill recommends. For a good reason.
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Posted May 3, 2012 @ 11:01 PM

She is not going to get her kids for years and I can't imagine their ages at that time and being away from their granparents, family and adjusting to their lives right before heading out on a life for themselves in another state - as Shill recommends. For a good reason.


I don't see her getting the kids either. Nathan is 8 and he knows that living with Grandma and Grandpa is pretty nice. The place is clean and it appears they live in a nice neighborhood. The food is probably first rate and he most likely has a lot of nice things (toys, etc). He knows that all that stuff will most likely go away if he goes and lives with Mommy dearest.
Yea, the boy said he wanted to live with mommy but I doubt he really meant it.
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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 12:39 PM

THE ULTIMATE CONCLUSION????? Okay, was I the only one who laughed and said to myself "yeah, right" over Dr Phil's headline, when it came to Alexandra and her trailer park soap-opera. How many conclusions will we see? It won't be long, before Alex comes back pregnant and with drug issues.

Katherine's like Jan Brady all grown up. It doesn't matter how problematic or how much Alex ravaged the family's life. If you're the pretty sister, you'll always be number 1, whereas the dutiful daughter is forced to live in the shadow. Erin and Alex were acting like bitchy mean girls when they were talking about Katherine on Skype and Erin used the term "hero daughter" in what seemed to be a sarcastic way. And people wonder why Alex acts the way she does. Oh wait, nobody does.

Edited by Susie Sunshine, May 4, 2012 @ 12:55 PM.

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 7:50 PM

At least I admired todays guest. I've always believed that if you're gonna lie at least stick with the lie.
If I was the father of those kids, I'd get a DNA test done on them. That woman is hiding something. She's been doing something nasty and she doesn't want to talk about it.
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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 7:59 AM

I got a weird vibe from the husband. The wfe was too vacant, too cowed. Maybe she did react to Ambien,maybe she is so miserable she can't stay in contact with reality, or maybe her husband has got a thirst for fame and drama like the Balloon Boy dad. You'd think if your wife did something so bizarre you'd be focussed on her, not jumping in front of a national TV audience. Message boards teem with people who have had incredibly weird reactions to a single Ambien. They took the "expert" to task for his ignorance. But today "experts" are like so many regular people: Find a doctor or therapist or 12 step? Nah. Go on the tee vee!! It's all happenin' on the tee vee!

The fact that he tried to hypnotize her sounded very odd and almost cultish. Bet he took the gun and hid it somewhere to add gravitas to the "story." And what about this "mean" lady in green? The husband rushed to bury that as his son's imaginings. Weird guy. Wife has a history of depression and referred to a "first" suicide attempt. How many were there? Why did the wife apparently pawn jewelry with only sentimental value? "Where were my children when I was at the pawn shop?" Probably in the car with your husband. He's got stuff up his sleeve.

Edited by TedHinD, May 5, 2012 @ 6:07 PM.

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 8:34 AM

You'd think if your wife did something so bizarre you'd be focussed on her, not jumping in front of a national TV audience.


She's telling a whopper of a lie. Thats why he took her to Phil, thinking maybe he could "break" her. But she's a tough cookie.

Maybe she did react to Ambien


That specialist shot that theory down. She wanted to use that as a good excuse but she wasn't using the drug on a regular basis.
I'm betting she got some strange and now has some buyers remorse.
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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 3:40 PM

I can't stop thinking about that couple ---I was surprised that the show just kind of ended with her sticking to her story. I hope the show stays involved and they do a follow up. There is something so weird about the whole story and both the husband and wife. She looked so dead--no emotion, no reactions, really--just kept saying she didn't know--and the husband was just very odd. The hypnosis thing was bizarre.
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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 4:39 PM

The hypnosis thing was bizarre.


Sometimes a guy will go to extreme lengths to get his wife to tell the truth. He's got two options: Bail on her (that would be true love, now wouldn't it) or stand by his woman and attempt to break down whatever walls have formed.
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Posted May 7, 2012 @ 3:20 PM

Alexis struck me as a manipulator. One minute she's all remorseful, the next she's defiant and says she's proud of herself, the next apologizing. I think she was playing Phil like a violin and telling him what he wanted to hear.

I have a problem with Phil's line, "If you stand by and watch someone being bullied, you're as bad as the bully." with the sheep in the audience applauding. Easy to say, Phil, when you're an adult in a TV studio, but try being a kid in the playground facing that situation and possibly being the bully's next target if you do speak up.

Edited by Hag23, May 7, 2012 @ 3:21 PM.

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Posted May 7, 2012 @ 9:35 PM

Easy to say, Phil, when you're an adult in a TV studio, but try being a kid in the playground facing that situation and possibly being the bully's next target if you do speak up.


The idea is not to raise our children to be sheep. Evil flourishes when good people do nothing.
If you're afraid then go find an adult but don't just stand there and do nothing.
If I saw my daughter getting her ass beat, I would friggin go insane and pull out a can of whip ass.
I remember an incident when I went to pick up my daughter at the school bus stop and just as a couple of other kids got off the bus they started beating the hell out of each other (2 boys). I yelled at them "What the HELL is wrong with you two...were you raised by wolves?" and at that moment they stopped fighting and looked at me like I was crazy. But guess what? They stopped fighting.

Edited by freedomrider, May 7, 2012 @ 9:42 PM.

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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 8:59 AM

I have a problem with Phil's line, "If you stand by and watch someone being bullied, you're as bad as the bully." with the sheep in the audience applauding. Easy to say, Phil, when you're an adult in a TV studio, but try being a kid in the playground facing that situation and possibly being the bully's next target if you do speak up


Absolutely. The dynamics are different, the grip of mob mentality more absolute, and the kids who observe bullying are usually afraid the bully/bullies will turn on them. You walk a fine line in the jungle of kid-dom. And that world has always been full of "bullies, toadies, or one of the nameless rabble of victims."

Difference now is that instead of he said/they said some little jerk tapes the event, which means that injured kids' parents can get legal help and the school authorites can sort out victim from perp.

We have incidents every day where adults look away from crime, refusing to get involved. And their brains are supposedly 100% formed.

Edited by TedHinD, May 8, 2012 @ 10:57 AM.

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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 10:28 AM

And too many parents say, "MY child would NEVER do that!" despite the evidence to the contrary. Or, "they're kids. Let them work it out." The mother of the bully on Phil whined that her daughter was a victim, too.
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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 3:46 PM

All this Alex talk has me thinking... does anybody remember anything about the other Dr. Phil Family? I seem to remember them as airing a little bit after Alex, etc began. There was a mom who kept having affairs and gave one son up for adoption that was conceived from an affair, a teenaged daughter who was understandable angry that her mom had given away one of her little brothers, and they were having all sorts of money issues. I can never remember their names, but I just find it interesting that you see Alex and Erin all over this show, but this family has dissapeared.
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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 8:00 PM

I remember that family. The mother was a total attention whore. I'm surprised she hasn't tried to come back.
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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 12:45 AM

They were LDS weren't they? I remember the mom insisting that she couldn't get a job because her religion was against it. Affairs are apparently A-OK.

I'm cleaning off the PVR and I had the FUF on in the background. Every time they spoke about Alex's rehab all I could think was "wouldn't it be lovely if her newborn son had such a nice place to detox?". Phil can trot out the new and improved Alex all he wants, to me she will always be the woman who was too lazy to prevent a pregnancy and too selfish to take the rehab you know Phil would have given her once she knew she was carrying a child.

Let's be honest here, Alex doesn't feel guilty when she hears her kids in the background because Alex doesn't feel guilty about anything to do with those kids.

ETA: Has anyone suggested that maybe one of the reasons Katherine is pissed is because she's a new mom and would like to have her own mom around but Erin's too busy raising Alex's kids for her. Erin doesn't get to really be a grandma to Paul when she's also trying to be mom to Nathan, Leila and the other one.

Edited by RacheltheGreat, May 9, 2012 @ 12:59 AM.

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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 4:07 PM

What a distressing episode today's show was. To see the little boy interrogated like that was heartbreaking. So will his vast wreckage of a mother be tried now? When he told her he didn't do it and confessed anyway it was obvious she was guilty.
If she wasn't she'd be hollering her head off that there was an intruder. Also she slipped in her interview when she said,"When I got up again..." Yeah, the first time you got up you straddled your daughter until she was dead then staged the crime scene.

Paltry donaton from Phil too. Too bad the boy wasn't a pretty heroin user. Phil would have paid his way through grad school.
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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 7:44 PM

What a distressing episode today's show was. To see the little boy interrogated like that was heartbreaking.


The cops thought they had an open and shut case and wanted to get home before Dancing with the Stars came on.

When he told her he didn't do it and confessed anyway it was obvious she was guilty.


She definately threw him under the bus. She knew he wouldn't do any serious time. They never gave a motive behind the crime.

Too bad the boy wasn't a pretty heroin user.

So true....Phil likes them young and sexy.

Paltry donaton from Phil too.


Maybe a semester at a community college, if that.

Edited by freedomrider, May 9, 2012 @ 7:45 PM.

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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 3:51 PM

I was always under the impression that people with multiple personalities could not change at will, but Tracy seemed to be able to do it almost like changing TV channels with a remote. Interesting.
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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 4:01 PM

I thought Tracy was a little too Movie of the Week with her DID. Closing her eyes and dropping her head to bring on her alters. Seemed extremely phony and someone who wants attention.
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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 4:50 PM

This couple had to be the biggest fakers ever on Phil's show. Everything about them screamed "acting". What happened to "tell it like it is" Dr. Phil or "keep it real" Dr. Phil? Now its just "I'll do anything for ratings" Dr. Phil. He couldn't possibly believe this woman has anything more than an insatiable need for attention.
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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 9:13 PM

I also thought it was fake. "Hey, I'll close my eyes and you can talk to Becky." Sometimes Phil has stupid written on his forehead.
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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 9:34 PM

Looked fake. But if not it's a sad and frightening way to live. It'll be interesting to see what Phil's experts say. I hope there is a quick follow-up.
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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 9:39 PM

What happened to "tell it like it is" Dr. Phil or "keep it real" Dr. Phil?

Clearly, the "IT'S MAY SWEEPS" Dr. Phil persona killed off the alters mentioned above. I wonder if the "Keep it real" alter, after all the pretense of being the badass alter, turned out to be as easily defeated as Becky said she would be [after first saying that, if she killed off Tracy in the process, oh well, and then she was all, "Oh, she should live, she's got the husband and kids"].

I thought the Bad Mean Alter's goal was to AVOID getting killed off, thus, working *against* integration, even when the host wants it? Otherwise, wouldn't it be way easier? Oh, why am I trying to make sense of this? That fakeass alter couldn't even keep her OWN pronouns straight.

Closing her eyes and dropping her head to bring on her alters.

Everything about them screamed "acting".

Seriously. Even after having significant and only negative firsthand alleged exposure to people with DID, I started out being very open to, and liking, Tracy. Pre-alter-ation, she seemed surprisingly normal (guess that shouldn't be (long ago, back in the days of Usenet, one of my first newsgroup experiences was with a community with a number of people who allegedly had multiple personalities [insert "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog" joke here]. Oh, were it that simple. Nooooo, the fucking five-year-old alters would post, and you were supposed to pretend this was normal. People would respond to them. WHILE THEY TYPED IN FRICKING BABY TALK. I'm sorry. If you can get on the computer, log in, find your way to soc.psycho.crazyassbitch, identify your letters on the keyboard and get them to show up on the screen, and then successfully submit your message, I do not think your message needs to replace all the "the"s with "da"s. Kinda as I don't think that, even if you truly have DID, and even if you have the magical Hollywood plot contrivance of the alter-switching eyes-close-head-nod, you won't ALWAYS be crying the second The Eyes-Close-Head-Nod-Eyes-Open of Hey, Look, I'm Da Bay-Bay Now cues. But, there she was. Gah.

I guess it would be too much to hope for a "Pays Attention to Detail" Dr. Phil alter. But, how about, in those little "Oprah told me maybe I could have my own 'Behind the Scenes' show, so we filmed this stuff, but her network is too embarrassing, even for me, so we're just gonna burn them off here, like old movies at Grandpa's" minisodes (or whatever they're called), showcasing a copy editor? Or, maybe just having one?

I don't even know anything about psych meds, and I noticed three misspellings in the list of meds, among the anti-seizure meds that are sometimes used for/were referred to as "mood stabilizers." I'm sure there plenty more, as that was the second screen, and I wasn't gonna go hunting for 'em or anything, but, really? I mean, did they not research the list of crap she gave them, or did they un-proof them between the check and the move to the 2002 PowerPoint Screen?

Maybe it was the same autofeature that Created The Fantastic Visual That Had An Entire Screen--And I Mean Entire Screen Quite Literally Because I Think The Actual DSM-10 Will Be Shorter Or, At Least, Be Divided Into Two Screens--In Which Every Word Began With A Capital Letter. Yeah, so if that's how much care they take while trying to make the point that "she's been giving a lot of meds," including with one med that comes with warnings regarding others with close spellings, I'm not so convinced they did the level of background research they kept insisting they did, Dr. Phil's "I'm gonna talk very nicely to Da Bay-Bay Alters" crazypoke avoidance notwithstanding. Disclaimer: I actually DID think he did a nice job talking to "the child" alters, I mean, if they really were kids, even if the home shrink told him what to say to avoid making her go catatonic or some . I do wish he'd called out the psychobitch one on the pronoun cover-up, but maybe he didn't feel like being the recipient of the inevitable BPD response ("It's Your Fault I Tried to Kill--read: melodramatically and superficially cut or otherwise harm--Myself (but only in a way that will be quickly and publicly discovered, before any severe damage was done. Are you maaaaaaaaad at me?") ].
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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 1:49 AM

Tracy seemed to slip up as she was trying to convince Dr Phool that she considered it " cheating" when hubby was with one of her "alters" yet acknowledged that murder = suicide when trying to choke yet another "alter" with a belt. Either she BELIEVES she is 5 people or not; she seemed to waffle there and get confused in her own story. Tracy was less believable than Ramtha, IMO.

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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 5:48 AM

Methadonna, her giant list of meds sent up a giant red flag. It really strikes me as a "hey let's try this medicine....oh that doesn't work, let's try this....mmmm what's next on my handy list of psych meds."

I am also bothered the doctor treating her, who is a family and marriage counselor While, I don't know the doctor's full credentials, a family counselor may not have 100% knowledge and training on dealing with patients with such a specific disorder. If Tracey had been referred to a psychiatrist who specialized in DID or severe mental disorders, it would have been more credible.

I also found it strange that her alters were almost identical to the main alters in the movie Sybil. There is the angry one, the child, the mother, etc... Which those things are true of people with DID, it just seemed so contrived in this case.

If I thought this was something other than ratings, Dr. Phil's team at the very least, could have watched Oprah's interview with Truddi Chase for their "research".
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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 8:52 AM

Made me want to read that "Sybil Exposed" book. I'm not a psychiatrist so I don't know squat about the disorder, but I do know that one of the roles of mental health professionals is to keep their patients from exploitation. Why would a licensed therapist permit her patient to be on Phil's show? Isn't that in the area of,"We're in the process of treatment so to involve this distraction means I have to terminate our professional relationship"? Not jump on the plane with.

We know why Phil allowed it. He's a showman and he missed the decade of the 80's where every post-flu patient claimed to be a channeler and every kid in daycare played Naked Movie Star in private jets full of elephants.

My own theory? Ole Becky is bored with her life so (as mentioned above) she co-opted Sybil's story. Even the line about MPD being a creative way for her mind to deal with all of her abuse comes straight from Joanne Woodward's mouth as Dr Wilbur.

But unlike Maury, where an act is dismissed with the results of a paternity test, this was creepy and troubling. This woman did say she had four kids, right? Phil barely mentioned them. Would've meant taking off his top hat.

Edited by TedHinD, May 11, 2012 @ 8:55 AM.

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