Dylan had an uncle with the same kind of car that Kelly bought for Dylan. Dylan said it was that car that would get him up and out of bed on a school day. It's more than possible it was a retcon, but I do think it odd that both Jack and Iris would have no other living relatives around. Then again, Harry Potter only had the Dursleys! ;)
what were the details of this uncle in S9?
Totally agree with what scarlett45 said about Dylan going into foster care.
I agree with everyone that Jack didn't want Dylan with him in the WPP the first time. I don't think the thought even crossed his mind to even ask him. I think that was part of Dylan's rationale in not going in with him the second time. If Jack didn't want him around when he was younger, why would things be any different now? I still think that Kelly had a lot to do with his decision not to leave with Jack after he came back. I think it follows after he decided not to leave with Gina because of his relationship with Kelly after he heard Dr. Martin's letter that Donna (and Gina) read. I do think there was more to it than just Kelly. I think that he was used to living his life his own way and wasn't willing to give it all up on someone like Jack. I also think his other family and friends played a part in it, although maybe not as strongly since he didn't seem to be in touch with half of them at that point.
I definitely think Kelly had a huge part in keeping Dylan out of the car. Jack didn't even know that Dylan was out there and going to the car until Kelly had called and he went to look for him. I have always thought that the FBI was there and watching Marchette's thugs when they put the bomb under the car. That way Marchette would still feel responsible and whatever criminals went after him would be caught in the act. I don't think that the FBI would have actually let Dylan get into the car, though, so I guess the amount of danger he was actually in was minimal. Except for the trauma that watching your dad "blown to bits" would cause. :(
I don't think the random call from Kelly is what kept Dylan out of the car. Jack could have easily taken a message from Kelly and got Dylan to call her back. Jack kept Dylan out of the car by insisting that Dylan talk to Kelly right then, putting himself in the car.
Aww, Saz, you just broke my heart all over again posting that! ;) It's stuff like that which makes me love the Jack back from the dead storyline, though. That moment of clarity for Dylan was so needed by that point in his life. I don't know if he would have matured as much as he did by the end of the series without it.
Yeah, and I always find that conversation so sad :( ďKelly, why do you think I go on binges? My Dad died. I push people away from me who try to get close, I never ever finish anything I start, why, because my Dad died? I donít know who I am without using that as a crutch. I donít know if Iím ready to find out.Ē
Hmm... you're making me really think on this one! :) I do agree that the stage was already set for Dylan's downward spiraling at this point. His formative years were all kinds of messed up. But I also agree with Kelly, too. Despite it all, Dylan was holding it all together. During his senior year when Jack died, he was in a happy place. He was sober, doing well in school, enjoying spending time with his girlfriend, and getting to know his dad. Having that life yanked out from under him when he had craved it for so long was the catalyst for what came later. I think it was losing Jack that made him an easy target for the Scamily and losing his money. I also think he lost Kelly to Brandon because he took her for granted while he was occupied with the Scamily. I agree with you that it was extremely cruel of Jack to build a life with Dylan on that boat, knowing the whole time what the plan was. I think it's a perfect example of how little Dylan truly mattered to Jack in the grand scheme of things.
What annoyed me in those episodes though was when Kelly said something to Matt about Dylan's life derailing when his Dad died..I think Dylan's life was already messed up long before then.
I think you're right on, and I do think Dylan had been drinking. I think that's why he let his guard down so completely. I would never minimize the impact the Walshes had on Dylan's life, but it's scenes like this that make me think their relationship with Dylan was a double-edged sword. When someone is truly your family, you don't turn your back on them the way Jim did to Dylan every time things got rough with Brenda. Especially not to someone like Dylan who was just learning to trust. I think Cindy did SO much better with this than Jim, but sometimes she was caught between her husband's wishes and what was best for Dylan. Part of the reason I think Brenda and Brandon were the brattiest teens on the show was because they were secure in their parents' love. They could mouth off, disrespect, disobey, and insult them and they would still be loved and cared for. Dylan didn't have that luxury. When Brenda did something wrong, Dylan almost always took the heat from Jim. I think it was this whiplash relationship with Jim (one minute he's calling him "son" and the next minute he's banned from the Walsh house) that made Dylan so desperate to connect with his OWN family, even if it was Jack who he knew would burn him again or the Scamily who he had no reason to trust.
I guess in Dylan's mind, if Jim cared about him he'd hit him because that would be a reaction, and going by his relationship with his father even a bad reaction is better than no reaction? Instead Jim just stood there.
So with you on this, Maxbird! And the way Christine guilt trips Dylan into letting his dad do what he wanted knowing that Dylan's time with his father was limited by him going into the WPP. Ugh. Besides that, it's just bad manners. He's staying with Dylan, he doesn't get to invite a guest to his home without Dylan's permission.
I was so pissed when he got the TG holiday for a weekend out of prison and rather than spend it bonding with Dylan he had to have his booze and his gal. We get it Jack, you want to get laid but you can't spend some time with your son, who got you out, not even an hour?
Jackie (who I usually love) does this to Kelly in a way during the family dinner with Mel and David. I'm totally with Jackie on calling Kelly out for her rude behavior, but I think she really glossed over Kelly's issues with sharing her (finally) sober mom. When she asks Kelly doesn't she (Jackie) deserve to be happy, I always think doesn't your daughter after 16 years of neglect? While she went about it the wrong way, I don't think it was out of line for Kelly to expect some actual mothering now that her mom was capable of doing it. I guess in a way it was good that they had these scenes because it shows what growing up with selfish parents like Jack and Jackie must have been like for Dylan and Kelly.