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Posted Apr 13, 2008 @ 11:23 AM

I just saw a 50 second clip of Gertrude (when Ethan meets her). Um, yeah, it's kind of obvious who it is. This puts Ethan (and I guess everyone around him) on a whole new level of stupidity.
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Posted Apr 13, 2008 @ 2:11 PM

And he's Wotan anyway.


What is 'Wotan'?
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Posted Apr 13, 2008 @ 2:46 PM

See also Odin, the Norse god. (Misfiring intended Wagnerian reference. Sorry.)
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Posted Apr 13, 2008 @ 3:45 PM

The only problem I have with the penis amputation storyline is the lack of Tabitha. I would have loved to have seen Tabitha somehow getting involved in the reattachment surgery, perhaps by magically possessing Eve so that she could Tabitha could perform the surgery instead of a drunken Eve (which would have made Vincent's actions to make sure his dad's genitals are as warped as his son's, make more sense as far as Tabitha believing Vincent due to her lack of experience in such medical matters)....

(Speaking of which, I'm suprised that they haven't brought Tabitha into the whole plotline involving Vincent's pregnacy as far as Vincent needing Tabitha or one of her witch friends to deliver his baby, under the logic that Vincent needs the power of magic to be able to give birth without himself and/or his child dying in the process)

Pretty is such a ho. I wonder if she's going to steal a baby or just pretend that Fancy made her miscarry. Ugh.


If the show wasn't heading straight into the cancellation void, I could see them having Pretty fuck the closest available man (perhaps Paloma's ex or the Chaos Midget) to get her pregnant and then her leaving town in order to give birth/get away from anyone who would question the time table thing about when her child was born in order to rule out Luis being the dad.

If this show were to continue and see all of the children grow up, Little Ethan would end up being the male version of Theresa. That poor kid has had to keep so many secrets for his mother.


Lil' Ethan will probably grow up to be Vincent V2.0; dude's been screwed over by everyone regarding his paternity, it wouldn't be suprising if that doesn't give him the same sort of mommy and daddy issues that Vincent has.....
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Posted Apr 13, 2008 @ 4:37 PM

To give Theresa the benefit of the doubt (which I always do), it was only recently (in the show's history) that she learned of Little Ethan's true paternity herself. Little Ethan now knows his paternity...which is a lot better than his daddy who didn't find out until the cow he was engaged to at the time spilled it to the tabloids. The same cow had Little Ethan ripped from his mother's arms as a toddler so she could play Mommy to him. She even made him call her Mommy. How fucked up is that?

If Little Ethan grows up to kill someone, let it be Gwen. His misery started with her...as did most everyone else's, directly or indirectly. Rebecca should have swallowed her.
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Posted Apr 13, 2008 @ 4:59 PM

If Little Ethan grows up to kill someone, let it be Gwen. His misery started with her...as did most everyone else's, directly or indirectly. Rebecca should have swallowed her.

I've always thought that if Little Ethan grew up, he'd hate his father and everyone around him. So far he seems like a reasonably smart kid. Knows when to keep his mouth shut, loves his mother no matter what happens. But at least he can see that she's flawed and that whatever she does is out of love for him, his sister or the other losers around them. He idolizes Ethan to the point that once he gets old enough to understand what the hell's up, I think he'd turn on him faster than Bex can go down on a soccer team.

That's my hope at least, because someone on this show other than Fox at the beginning and never really mattered Jared should hate Ethan.
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Posted Apr 14, 2008 @ 12:33 AM

If this show were to continue and see all of the children grow up, Little Ethan would end up being the male version of Theresa. That poor kid has had to keep so many secrets for his mother.

Yes, but to be fair, he only has to keep secrets because Gwen will have him killed if he doesn't.
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Posted Apr 14, 2008 @ 8:50 AM

True, but I still find it highly irresponsible to share these secrets with the kid in the first place. I mean, the fact that Gertrude is Theresa is pretty obvious, but telling him about his paternity? And then telling him that he can't tell anyone? That's a lot of pressure to put on a child that age.
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Posted Apr 14, 2008 @ 10:20 PM

True, but I still find it highly irresponsible to share these secrets with the kid in the first place. I mean, the fact that Gertrude is Theresa is pretty obvious, but telling him about his paternity? And then telling him that he can't tell anyone? That's a lot of pressure to put on a child that age.

If she didn't tell him she'd get slammed for keeping it a secret from him. There's really no easy out for a situation like this. And I'm sure LE would prefer to know who his father was than to grow up thinking that his 'real father' Julian didn't want him. Or just wanted him so he could use him.

Which reminds me, is LE still the Crane heir?
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Posted Apr 15, 2008 @ 12:55 AM

If she's not going to tell Ethan the truth, I don't see why she should tell Little Ethan. The kid's eleven, and having to keep so many secrets from so many people can't be healthy.

Which reminds me, is LE still the Crane heir?


I have no idea. I thought that he was, but Ethan asked Julian for permission to adopt Little Ethan, not Alistair, and Alistair adopted Little Ethan over two years ago, so I have no idea what's going on there. Once it becomes common knowledge that Ethan is his father, though, he'll definitely lose/have lost his inheritance, and everything will go to Fancy.
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Posted Apr 15, 2008 @ 2:41 AM

If she's not going to tell Ethan the truth, I don't see why she should tell Little Ethan. The kid's eleven, and having to keep so many secrets from so many people can't be healthy.

Kids keep secrets all the time. Yes, not of that magnitude, but then again the only person he interacts with who doesn't already know is Ethan himself -- a man too dense to have figured it out yet despite having been told directly on numerous occasions. Anyway, SpicyWildflower is right -- he's old enough to know who his real father is and has the right to deal with that information.
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Posted Apr 15, 2008 @ 7:04 AM

If she's not going to tell Ethan the truth, I don't see why she should tell Little Ethan. The kid's eleven, and having to keep so many secrets from so many people can't be healthy.

I think telling Ethan and telling her son are two very different matters. It's one thing to keep Ethan in the dark to protect her family or her kids (depending on when you're thinking about her secret), but to keep the kid in the dark when she doesn't have to? She's got nothing to lose from that situation and if I were a mother, I'd definitely pick having to lie to a tool like Ethan over having to lie to the son I've sacrificed so much for and who is one of the few people to love me unconditionally.

If she kept it a secret when he got older he might resent her for it and I think to Theresa and anyone really, to have her son resent her is a lot worse than Ethan in a huff.

I know it's a tough situation for a kid to be in, having to unintentionally lie to his father, but I doubt a secret like this is going to be something to traumatize the kid. After everything he's seen in his life so far, everything he's seen done to his mother ... this? Not something that'll send him over the deep end.

And at eleven, he's old enough to handle such a secret and decide for himself what's best. At this point he thinks his mother is dead or thought ... (does he know Gertrude is Theresa?) and yet he keeps mum about the secret. That in itself says that the kid understands what's going on around him. He's not clueless.
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Posted Apr 15, 2008 @ 4:55 PM

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Eve tells a dressed up Vincent, "I'm not going to let this go on." Sam enters and asks, "You're not going to let what go on Eve?"


Ha, classic Passions, right there. Can't wait to hear Eve's lame excuse. They'd really be going back a few years if they followed it up with Vincent saying something like, "Julian losing his penis is nothing compared to how I'm going to mutilate your life, Eve!"
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Posted Apr 20, 2008 @ 11:18 PM

Oh, God, last week's episodes sucked. I think I FFed through most of it. Wednesday's episode was decent, probably because it involved Esme, as well as Luis and Fancy in a bed together, but the rest was so terrible. ETG is so old - Gwen plots, Ethan proceeds to look like a moron (he didn't decide to check out this supposed world-renowned child psychiatrist BEFORE making any decisions? Seriously?), and Theresa acts as if she's more offended by the mere fact that Ethan is trying to move on with his life rather than he's doing it with her archrival. If she wants to bitch about Gwen, I'll be a bit lenient, but when she's all "Noooooooo, Ethan, you're only allowed to love MEEEEEEEEEEEE", I call BS. I also call BS on the fact that she's waltzing around the town where EVERYONE knows who she is with only a blonde wig to disguise herself. Again, Ethan > family for Theresa.

I really wish that Vincent would die. I'd like it if he'd kill Eve first, though.

Luis gives me a headache. I can't believe that he can't see that she's using the threat of abortion as emotional blackmail. As long as Luis is paying attention to her, she's keeping the baby, but once he reaffirms his committment to Fancy, she's filling out the paperwork for termination. Ugh. I really wanted a Lancy baby before the show ended. I don't think I'm going to get it. This is distressing.

Why are Noah, Paloma, and Roberto on my screen? Does anyone actually care about them? At least we haven't had to see Kay and Miguel recently.
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Posted Apr 20, 2008 @ 11:46 PM

I'm suprised that Luis doesn't just call Pretty's bluff about the abortion, right down to offering to take Pretty into the clinic and hold her hand as she gets the abortion. That would be one way to keep her from using the abortion card against him, as well as give us some interesting scenes with Luis and Pilar over Luis using reverse psychology to combat the abortion issue with Pretty.

As for Vincent, I don't mind him being around though I do wish they would have him and Vicki meet up and join forces already. Or have Vicki out Vincent for still being alive and frame him for her murders. Maybe even have Vicki try and kill Gwen and Rebecca too, given her anti-boarding school kick. Having her and Lil' Ethan bond and make life hell for Gwen and Rebecca could be nice.
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Posted Apr 21, 2008 @ 3:28 PM

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Posted Apr 22, 2008 @ 1:20 PM

I also call BS on the fact that she's waltzing around the town where EVERYONE knows who she is with only a blonde wig to disguise herself. Again, Ethan > family for Theresa.

Well, come on. When Fancy went undercover as a stripper, what passed as a "disguise" for a world-famous heiress was a handful of clip-in hair extensions. Sheridan's nurse costume was a wig, Tabitha's fortune-teller outfit was a putty nose and a couple extra scarves, and then there was Whipney Houston. We all have to suspend our disbelief when it comes to the "disguises" on this show, so you just can't use that as evidence that Theresa doesn't care about her children.
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Posted Apr 23, 2008 @ 8:25 AM

Again, Ethan > family for Theresa.

Actually, Ethan = family for Theresa. He's the father of both of her children. She's more than proven her concern for her family by her constant bowing to the threats that shameless cow Gwen has made to her and Pilar. Theresa's been framed for Gwen's crimes and blackmailed, raped and threatened, her kids taken from her, for...how many years now? If she does something now and then that doesn't seem entirely rational, I think it can be overlooked. What's Gwen's excuse for the heinous things she has done, not only to Theresa and Theresa's kids, but to every living human being...man, woman...innocent babies in Harmony? Ethan > anyone or anything for Gwen. She's already shown she would risk her own son's life rather than give Theresa an edge on her.
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Posted Apr 23, 2008 @ 1:50 PM

When Fancy went undercover as a stripper, what passed as a "disguise" for a world-famous heiress was a handful of clip-in hair extensions. Sheridan's nurse costume was a wig, Tabitha's fortune-teller outfit was a putty nose and a couple extra scarves, and then there was Whipney Houston. We all have to suspend our disbelief when it comes to the "disguises" on this show, so you just can't use that as evidence that Theresa doesn't care about her children.


But Theresa herself even clearly knew that her blonde wig was not enough to completely disguise herself - she wouldn't have hidden her face from Noah if she thought that she was unrecognizable. I'm not blaming her for revenge; I'm blaming her for putting the lives of all of her family members on the line so that she can exact her revenge, or spy on Ethan, or whatever the hell it is that she's trying to do. All it would take is one person to recognize her, alert the media, and notify Juanita to the Lopez-Fitzgeralds' location.

And now that I'm thinking about it, why has the DEA not tracked Theresa down and thrown her stupid ass into witness protection? I actually kind of liked that DEA agent. Counting how many times he could call Theresa "ma'am" in one episode was kind of entertaining.

I also forgot to mention last week that someone needs to teach Pilar and Paloma some manners. Have they never heard of knocking before? Ugh.
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Posted Apr 23, 2008 @ 6:20 PM

Yes, but Little Ethan told her no would recognize her -- same thing Paloma said to Fancy when she put on her extensions. It makes sense to hide your face when you run into someone you know, regardless of how good your disguise is. She's taking risks, obviously, but who would she be helping by sitting in the morgue for the rest of her life waiting to die? The DEA, as you noted, hasn't done shit to protect the Lo-Fitz family, so the threat against them is still very real.

In other news, I want Fancy to be fucking pregnant with Luis's fucking baby already. Is that too much to ask?
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Posted Apr 23, 2008 @ 8:38 PM

(Speaking of which, I'm suprised that they haven't brought Tabitha into the whole plotline involving Vincent's pregnacy as far as Vincent needing Tabitha or one of her witch friends to deliver his baby, under the logic that Vincent needs the power of magic to be able to give birth without himself and/or his child dying in the process)

WhatWhatWHAAAAT? Vincent's pregnant? How'd I miss that?

Well, come on. When Fancy went undercover as a stripper, what passed as a "disguise" for a world-famous heiress was a handful of clip-in hair extensions. Sheridan's nurse costume was a wig

Did you mean Beth when she was running around the hospital in a "porno nurse" outfit?

And now that I'm thinking about it, why has the DEA not tracked Theresa down and thrown her stupid ass into witness protection? I actually kind of liked that DEA agent.

Wouldn't that require Theresa to, you know, move away and never contact anyone she used to know again?
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Posted Apr 23, 2008 @ 11:44 PM

]Did you mean Beth when she was running around the hospital in a "porno nurse" outfit?

No no -- back when Luis was in the hospital and under police custody, Sheridan "disguised" herself as a nurse to get past the guard and in to see him. She put on some scrubs and a wig and that was the extent of it.

Although come to think of it, Beth's costume in Rome was a blond wig. Seems to be a popular look for chicks undercover.
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Posted Apr 24, 2008 @ 1:49 PM

What's Gwen's excuse for the heinous things she has done, not only to Theresa and Theresa's kids, but to every living human being...man, woman...innocent babies in Harmony?


Gwen has a perfectly good excuse. She was raised rich and better than everyone else, and Theresa, who was poor and beneath Gwen, embarrassed her by stealing her man. I can't think of a better reason than that to risk the lives of innocent babies and others for the purpose of revenge. How dare Theresa even think she is anywhere close to the level of Queen Gwen!
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Posted Apr 24, 2008 @ 2:03 PM

Meanwhile, Theresa is apparently a saint who does everything for the right reasons.
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Posted Apr 24, 2008 @ 2:14 PM

Meanwhile, Theresa is apparently a saint who does everything for the right reasons


I don't see that and I don't think I've seen even staunch Theresa defenders call her a saint. Theresa does a lot of deeply stupid stuff for incredibly dumb reasons but I think the difference for me is that her actions are more self-destructive and a lot less hateful in comparison to 99% of the malicious crap pulled by Gwen. Also, I hate that Gwen is still seen as something of a good woman when she's actually a horrible, vicious bitch.
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Posted Apr 24, 2008 @ 4:45 PM

I don't see that and I don't think I've seen even staunch Theresa defenders call her a saint. Theresa does a lot of deeply stupid stuff for incredibly dumb reasons but I think the difference for me is that her actions are more self-destructive and a lot less hateful in comparison to 99% of the malicious crap pulled by Gwen. Also, I hate that Gwen is still seen as something of a good woman when she's actually a horrible, vicious bitch.

Testify. I'm a fan of Theresa, but she's far from innocent and I have made no claims to the contrary. Theresa is often motivated by selfish reasons, same as Gwen, but she's been unfairly demonized when you consider that her tactics aren't cruel or vindictive and that the person who stands to suffer the most (and invariably does) from the fallout is always Theresa.
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Posted Apr 24, 2008 @ 8:34 PM

Also, I hate that Gwen is still seen as something of a good woman when she's actually a horrible, vicious bitch.


Is it characters who still see her as a good woman, viewers, or both? I no longer see her that way, but I don't know how the characters see her since I no longer watch so I'm curious.

Edited by DanaMB, Apr 24, 2008 @ 8:35 PM.

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Posted Apr 24, 2008 @ 11:14 PM

Is it characters who still see her as a good woman, viewers, or both? I no longer see her that way, but I don't know how the characters see her since I no longer watch so I'm curious.

The characters on the show have always seen Gwen as a good woman. A poor unfortunate 'good' woman who through no fault of her own ended up with a husband who loved another woman.

I mean when even Theresa's mother sympathizes with Gwen, even after all the shit her daughter was put through you gotta know that something's wrong. Gwen got to hide behind her mother and always got to be 'poor Gwen.'

Poor Gwen with a horrible slutty mother like Rebecca. How she turned out to be such a decent person with a mother like that is any wonder. That just makes her extra special.

Poor Gwen with a husband who loves another woman. That she was able to stay strong and by his side all these years is a testament to what a good forgiving heart she has.

Poor Gwen. Poor barren, childless, tormented Gwen. How horrible that Theresa killed her babies and any chance she had at having kids. She was such a good mother to Theresa's children and would have been to her own.

Nevermind the fact that poor Gwen was right there scheming with her god awful mother. Ignoring rape victims and then ensuring that they receive no help. Nevermind that she married Ethan knowingly, choosing to ignore his feelings for another woman. Choosing to be more interested in keeping them apart than in being happy herself. Nevermind that she caused her own kid's deaths, because she'd rather fight Theresa than care about their welfare. That she stole Theresa's kids and tried to kill the girl several times.

When a character can do all that and get away unscathed and still seen in a sympathetic light, then definitely, that character is seen as being a good person. And not only by the other characters, but there are many viewers who think everything she did was fine all cause she had Ethan first. That she is a good woman pushed to extremes by the horrible Theresa.

When Theresa's brother is apologizing to Ethan for Theresa pushing Gwen to stab and paralyze her and steal her baby, that's just insane.

Theresa's bad no matter what she does or why she does it. Gwen's good, simply because Theresa's seen as being bad. If there was no Theresa and Gwen had gone around doing those same things, she'd have been vilified just like Theresa's been. But Theresa took the brunt of the fall out in that triangle, because she was the one everyone knew and because she didn't do what people told her to do.
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Posted Apr 25, 2008 @ 2:28 AM

Is it characters who still see her as a good woman, viewers, or both? I no longer see her that way, but I don't know how the characters see her since I no longer watch so I'm curious.

Characters, as SpicyWildflower pointed out. (And as evidenced by our denunciation of Gwen, not ALL viewers see her that way, anyway.) The viewers are onto Gwen, as they are supposed to be -- I mean, let's be honest: Gwen is clearly intended to be seen as the villain, and Theresa as the wronged heroine. Sometimes Passions manages this well, but more often than not they're totally ham-fisted about it.

The crux of the GET triangle has always been the same. Theresa is the star-crossed dreamer, Ethan is the conflicted idealist, and Gwen is the vindictive schemer. She lost Ethan nine years ago in a fair fight, and even though she recognizes that in private, she refuses to let him go. The crime of this is made worse by the fact that Ethan doesn't really love her and has made no secret of that -- she has perpetrated so much harm and evil in the name of someone who has told her to her face that he will never love her as much as her rival. Still, the denizens of Harmony are still characterized as believing that Gwen is a good person who is caught in an unfortunately unbalanced relationship with a man who just doesn't love her as much as she "deserves".

But let's be honest. If this were real life? You would tell your friend, after nine years, that if he still doesn't love you "enough"? It's time for it to be over. He just DOESN'T LOVE YOU. The truth of it is that Ethan just doesn't love Gwen, not the way that she wants. The Gwen fans out there SHOULD be proponents of Therethan, because it profits Gwen nothing to end up with a guy who sees her as a consolation prize.

It's frankly obnoxious that the writers are continuing on with the charade of Gwen being seen as the "wronged party" in this "relationship" by the people of Harmony, when the facts are more and more evident.
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Posted Apr 25, 2008 @ 7:35 AM

The crux of the GET triangle has always been the same. Theresa is the star-crossed dreamer, Ethan is the conflicted idealist, and Gwen is the vindictive schemer.


Now this I disagree with. At the beginning of this horrid triangle, Gwen was NOT a vindictive schemer. Theresa was a schemer (debates abound on whether it was vindictive). However, I do concede that NOW Gwen is a vindictive schemer, but she has not always been so in my opinion.

And if I were Theresa's friend, I'd tell her to give up on Ethan after 9 years since he can't seem to get over two women in love with him and has treated her badly more often than he's treated her kindly. I hate ETher in any form, but as where once I thought Theresa was an awful person, now I feel like the villain in all of this is Ethan. I still don't see Theresa as a heroine, but I (as of my last watching anyway) no longer hated her nor felt like she was a psycho bitch.

Edited by DanaMB, Apr 25, 2008 @ 7:36 AM.

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