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Posted Jan 9, 2013 @ 8:19 PM

I think the one issue Zimmer had with Forester (and, it isn't really her) was the whole Josh & Cassie paring. She didn't like the whole story to begin with and didn't buy that Josh would shack up with Cassie which is odd since Reva did all of the Lewis men. Anyway, she didn't like that and she didn't think Nicole played the role right or was just different how Wright would have played it. I think the interview was either with Nelson Branco or Michael Fairman. I don't think Zimmer hated her at all and it more so the storyline of Josh & Cassie. There is so much drama behind the scenes of daytime. I want a tell book and all of the names mentioned. Because I hate blind items and also because I can figure them out. LOL! I don't believe the whole "we are a family" that all the actors say. C'mon, spill it!!!!!! LOL!!
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Posted Jan 29, 2013 @ 7:20 PM

I've been getting a hankerin' for Otalia, more specifically the very first episode where they meet. Not that I anticipate any inkiling of future Otalia love moments. I just want to see what it was like. I've pinned down JL's first appearances in April of 2007 but I don't really want to dredge through every ep leading up to the 2 of them.

Does anyone have a guess/date?

I miss watching CC sink her teeth into a character.
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Posted Jan 30, 2013 @ 9:15 AM

The only castmember I remember being really crucified in the book was in a "blind item" story, which was very, very clearly about Beth Ehlers and her BTS antics near the end of her tenure.

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Can you elaborate here or in pm? I really didn't get the story. It was like all the sudden she and then RPG were gone.
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Posted May 22, 2013 @ 12:12 AM

I'm doing a research project, and was wondering if any GL fans here can answer a question for me: was the Santos family Italian or Latino? Or was it specified? 


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Posted May 22, 2013 @ 7:59 AM

They were Latino, from Spain specifically. Santos is a Hispanic name.


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Posted May 22, 2013 @ 3:26 PM

Thank you, FireFoxy.


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Posted May 22, 2013 @ 7:54 PM

A bit of random trivia for you, he initially was going to be playing Danny Santo and the character was going to be Italian. That's how he was introduced the first day.  PAS also wasn't on contract.  Then they liked him immediately, saw a void in diversity on the show so he became Spanish instead of Italian and cast his mother accordingly.


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Posted May 22, 2013 @ 9:07 PM

Not to get technical here, there is a difference between a Spaniard and a latino, they are not interchangeable. I hate it when shows do that. It is two different cultures. just like a British and an American.....


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Posted May 22, 2013 @ 10:06 PM

Ha!  We can get technical.  I think the confusion comes with how often Hispanic and Latino are used interchangeably.  I did think choosing Spain was an interesting choice since Spanish-speaking Americans of a direct Spanish descent (and not by way of Latin America) are a minority of US Spanish speakers. 

 

I loved PAS as Danny. I loved his chem with SS and BJL.  But one thing I did miss was the fact that they never communicated in Spanish because obviously he couldn't speak Spanish.


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Posted Jun 3, 2013 @ 3:27 AM

I think it's interesting how many books have been written by soap actors in the past few years. Where were these books when these shows were still hugely popular? I haven't even seen any of them in stores, not even when they come out in paperback.

The blind item in Kim Zimmer's book could not be about Beth Ehlers. Zimmer had problems with a lot of her castmates, but Ehlers was not one of them. They have been and still are good friends. Zimmer broke down and cried during an interview in SOD a year after Ehlers left the show. She was very emotional talking about Ehlers and Goldin leaving the show. She said Ehlers leaving was a much bigger deal because she was with the show much longer than Goldin.
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Posted Jun 26, 2013 @ 6:28 PM

I just watched an episode (welovesoaps.net) from 1987. It was so, so, so good! Rick apparently had just returned (maybe, Michael O'Leary left/came back during that time) and, Phillip & Chelsea were having dinner. It was also Dinah #2 graduation. Throw in Reva, Josh, Mindy, Rusty, Henry,
Vanessa and the start of the Sonni/Solita storyline and you had a masterpiece. I curse CBS & later Ellen Wheeler. I.loved.this.show.so.much!!!!
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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 3:35 PM

Found a very cool YouTube channel that emphasizes Alexandra Spaulding (both Beverlee McKinsey and Marj Dusay).  Some highlights from the different playlists:

 

Alex confronts Eric Lucvanocek on her second baby (Nick) -- really well-done take on the usually-ridiculous long-lost twin storyline that plays off of Alex's history and youth, and creates a vivid past relationship with this previously-only-referred-to character.  Who played Eric?  I saw they brought him back a few months later, though that was mostly to be a "Nick belongs with Mindy" contrast to Alex.  Fascinating chemistry with McKinsey.

 

Alex Humiliates Roger at the Country Club -- EPIC take-down from a great build-up.  This link goes to the meat at Part 20; through Part 25, dealing with the next day, is fantastic, acid chemistry between Alexc and Roger.

 

Alex Reveals Mindy's Affair with Roger to Billy -- Again, absolute acid zingers as Alex takes pure joy in destroying Mindy's reputation.  And Roger is of course unafraid of getting whupped by Billy.

 

Beverlee McKinsey's Final Scenes as Alex -- So sad that McKinsey left, and I still don't understand the circumstances, but an epic run!

 

From Marj Dusay's Introduction, Just Before Roger Gets Shot -- Damn, this is Edward Albee territory.  "I could have gotten more comfort from a toothless street whore than I ever got from you!"  And they slap EACH OTHER!

 

I loved the writing on this show in the early 1990s.  It went to hell around the time Reva came back.  Even Maureen's death, which was a pretty bad move on the writers' part, was riveting because of how it was written and acted.  Even Peter Simon (Ed) admitted that while it was a mistake, the writing was never better.


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Posted Jun 28, 2013 @ 4:00 PM

Death of Maureen Bauer + JFP = Stupidest move ever!
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Posted Jul 1, 2013 @ 5:04 PM

I loved the writing on this show in the early 1990s. It went to hell around the time Reva came back. Even Maureen's death, which was a pretty bad move on the writers' part, was riveting because of how it was written and acted. Even Peter Simon (Ed) admitted that while it was a mistake, the writing was never better.

 

Nancy Curlee was one of the best Head Writers in the entire run of the show.  The show fired on all cylinders with her at the helm, and she was particularly good with Roger and Holly (individually and together).  I'm not sure how much of Michael Laibson's reign of terror could have been blunted had Curlee been in charge of the scripts rather than that tool of the devil Megan McTavish, but she did a good job of making Jill Farren-Phelps' ideas work. 

 

I cannot completely hate the decision to kill off Maureen Bauer because the Holly and Michelle storyline that came out of that is one of my favorites, and the scenes leading up to and following Mo's death were tremendous for virtually the entire cast.  But the long-term effect wasn't worth the short-term payoff; there really was something fundamental missing.


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Posted Jul 1, 2013 @ 5:22 PM

 

Damn, this is Edward Albee territory.  "I could have gotten more comfort from a toothless street whore than I ever got from you!"  And they slap EACH OTHER!

 

I never could get into these scenes. They were just too overdramatic. I think there's a moment with Billy or Dylan walking across a table and I burst out laughing. 

 

As much as I enjoy Marj Dusay as an actress, she tended to overplay the hysteria, which went against what Alex was supposed to be, in my mind. 

 

I have watched a little of that era again recently (there's a full January 1994 episode put up on Youtube recently), and while some of the acting and writing are strong, the material lacks any heart. I think that's what went away when characters like Maureen left. Everything just became very cold and distant, and then once the writing collapsed later in 1994, the underpinnings that had once been there (like the Bert/Maureen figure) were gone. 


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Posted Jul 3, 2013 @ 3:14 PM

It still holds my favorite ever moment, captured in this scene:

 

Holly falls into Alexandra's trap

 

I really got into the show around this time, especially Holly, Vanessa, Ed, Mindy, Roger ... of course firing a sick Roger was  a disaster almost as bad as killing Maureen.


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Posted Jul 4, 2013 @ 2:12 AM

FYI, Beverlee McKinsey left because of JFP. She was set to leave for a 6-week vacation and JFP didn't want her to go, so she was pulling stuff like purposely making her stay late to film things and generally making her life miserable unless she agreed to come back from vacation early. She told JFP that she had had enough and that she wasn't coming back, but JFP just cracked back something about her contract preventing her and didn't take it seriously. Dumb move - she had a clause in her contract that said she could walk on 6-weeks' notice and did just that.

Vincent Irizarry talks about how crazy it all was because McKinsey wasn't even shy about telling people they were filming her final scenes. It's just no one on set believed her or took it seriously so they were stunned when they finally got around to reading her contract and realizing that she had been completely serious.

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Posted Jul 4, 2013 @ 5:24 AM

Phelps could drive about any actor not part of her club out the door, huh?

 

On a more pleasant note, did more YouTube-ing around and found some fun stuff:

 

The Guiding Plight: A 1980 parody the cast made, which is a pretty dead-on take on the show's style of the time.  You can tell the actors are having a great deal of fun getting to be foul-mouthed.

 

Frank and Eleni's Wedding: Though there's some weird edits in the recording made of this, it's one of the more pleasant/semi-realistic daytime weddings, an outdoor affair that plays like a real couple getting married.  There's some related videos with Frank and Harley realizing that recently-returned Buzz is their father, and the birth of Marina (who, as the uploader points out, is held by Mallet, her future husband.  Not as gross as Alan-Michael, but still --ugh.)

Really, almost any specific storyline/character on any soap is on YouTube if you look hard enough.  It's great fun!


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Posted Jul 5, 2013 @ 10:14 PM

The thing I remember most about Frank & Elaini's wedding was the look that Mallet & Harley give each other at the alter. Fireworks!!! Also, I loved the speech that Harley gives to Frank from little sister to big brother. GL was HOT at this time. They had super couples galore. They pulled out all the stops for this wedding which amazing since it was all done in studio. Great memories!
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Posted Jul 6, 2013 @ 10:23 AM

Really enjoying the current discussion going on about this show. I started late in its run, around 1995, and watched until 1999 when I began to lose interest in the stories. But I did enjoy the time I watched. Since them, I have been able to get my hands on some old episodes and storylines, through YouTube and DVDs available.

 

I was wondering what you all thought the best years/storylines were on the show? If you were telling someone to go back through the history of the show through the '80s and early '90s, what years would you recommend?


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Posted Jul 6, 2013 @ 2:00 PM

It kind of depends on the characters you remember -- and what's on YouTube.  I'm reconstructing stuff I've only read about myself.

There was some interesting material at the end of the 1970s with the Dobsons, with Roger's rape of Holly, trial (which introduced Ross) and later "Death" in the Dominican Republic.

 

In 1980 and 1981, there was a very popular love triangle with Nola, Morgan and Kelly (John Wesley Shipp!) that was a big hit, though the show around it felt a mite convoluted.  

 

The show picks up a bit in 1983, where you have the "Four Musketeers" with Philip, Beth, Mindy and Rick, along with the early stuff with Reva, Alex and Lujack.  Things taper off a bit around 1984.

 

The mid-to-late 1980s have the best Reva storylines, though there's some mixed stuff surrounding them. You get Roger's reintroduction in 1989 (though it's a goofy thing with a "Phantom of the Opera" mask that Michael Zaslow said he hated), then from 1991 through about the end of 1994, you get some excellent material with Roger, the Spauldings, the Coopers, Blake and Ross, etc.

 

The storylines loose me a bit around 1995, actually, though the run from 1997 through about 1999 was pretty strong stuff (even goofs like Clone Reva and San Cristobal at least introduced actors like Joie Lenz and characters like Edmund and Olivia).

 

After that period, the show felt like it never really had a strong voice.  Claire Labine, once a brilliant writer, introduced some godawful stuff, though she did create Gus Aitoro, one of the best leading men in the later years.  Philip and Olivia were smokin' in 2004, and the material leading to Philip's departure was often excellent -- and then, of course, there was a giant hole in the storylines where he should have been.  The stuff in 2005-2006 with the reintroduction of Dinah and the intro of Jonathan (and even some of the stuff with Roger's death and his son Sebastian, played by real-life creepy guy Doug Hutchison) was incredibly strong, but it all sort of tapered off once they got into the weekly "in the Light" spotlights, followed by the show's horrific decay into sub-porn production values.  I was completely tuned out the last two years or so, though I'm told there's some good bits in 2009.


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Posted Jul 6, 2013 @ 8:48 PM

I generally hated every single Reva storyline. In fact, I much preferred the show whenever she wasn't around!

 

I loved Frank back in the day with Eleni. I can't believe how much I hated him during the final years. The actor just seemed so awful and the character was just so tiresome. Maybe I thought he was better back in the day because I was younger (and he was a lot cuter)!

 

All the stuff with Roger/Holly and Blake/Ross is totally worth seeing. I didn't think much of the San Cristobel stuff - except for adding Olivia to the show. I was so happy when Olivia was finally moved out of the Reva/Josh stuff and moved into the Spaulding's orbit. The only storyline that really got me through the last couple of years of the show was Olivia and Natalia (and the show managed to screw that up).

 

I loved Vanessa and Matt too. Original Mallet and Harley were hawt!


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Posted Jul 6, 2013 @ 11:07 PM

Been watching a number of classic Roger clips:

 

Michael Zaslow Tribute on SOD Awards

 

Zaslow Wins Emmy (1994)

 

1999 Rebroadcast of Zaslow's Emmy-Winning Episode, Introduced by Maureen Garrett, Who Ages Like A Fine Bottle of Wine, Doesn't She?


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Posted Jul 8, 2013 @ 4:49 PM

Does anybody on here know if they fixed that stupid retcon that Amanda was not Alan's daughter, but, his sister? I never understood why they had to do that...It served no purpose to advance any existing storyline, since Brandon was dead and off the show. The original storyline was so complex and really good when Amanda was revealed to be Alan's daughter...They also totally changed the character of Amanda, she was supposed to be the "good" Spaulding in a family full of scheming sharks....she became a madame who evaded paying her taxes..What a lame and nonsensical storyline..it's not a big surprise that Guiding light got cancelled....



I also never understood the animosity that Amanda and Alex had for each other. Alex loves her family and Amanda was no threat to her. Her hatred and need to destroy Amanda seemed so low class and obnoxious. .Alex had her flaws, but she was never petty and immature. That is the problem that I always had with Marj Dusay's interpretation.  Her version of Alex was always on the verge of a breakdown. Her histrionics drove me crazy at times. She was a decent recast. Beverly's Alex was cool and always in control of her emotions. With a glare and the tone of her voice, she could eviscerate her enemies.  When Alex hated somebody, she always had a good reason. I never had a problem with her animosity towards Mindy and I  was always aghast on how the town always rallied around poor helpless Mindy. The bitch slept with her husband while pretending to be her friend. To add insult to injury, she was going after her deceased son's twin. That would be too much for any body to take. It always pissed me off that nobody understood Alex and showed her some sympathy..SHe really loved Mindy at one time and was really hurt by her betrayal with Roger


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Posted Jul 9, 2013 @ 1:55 PM

 

The Guiding Plight: A 1980 parody the cast made, which is a pretty dead-on take on the show's style of the time. You can tell the actors are having a great deal of fun getting to be foul-mouthed.

 

 

I had forgotten all about this!  I have it on tape from long ago (acquired when a friend of a friend worked on the show), but haven't thought about it in years.  I'll have to dig that out and put it on DVD, because it really is a hoot.

 

I loved Frank back in the day with Eleni. I can't believe how much I hated him during the final years. The actor just seemed so awful and the character was just so tiresome. Maybe I thought he was better back in the day because I was younger (and he was a lot cuter)!

 

I liked his relationship with Harley, but I never liked him in any of his romantic relationships.  I especially loathed him with Eleni, but at least his creepy virgin/whore issues got aired out.

 

I generally hated every single Reva storyline. In fact, I much preferred the show whenever she wasn't around!

 

Same here.  The show was so nice after she took that long drive off a short pier.

 

With that said, though, I'd have totally gone out for drinks with Kim Zimmer.  And I liked her when she guest-starred on Designing Women as Charlene's friend who was being abused by her husband.  I just couldn't stand Reva.


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Posted Jul 9, 2013 @ 4:09 PM

I especially loathed him with Eleni

 

Well I was pretty young when I watched that pairing, I have a feeling I'd not feel the same way about them now! I may have to dig up some youtube clips!

 

I have liked Kim Zimmer in a few other things, but Reva was like nails on a chalkboard for me. Always.


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Posted Jul 10, 2013 @ 12:12 PM

Does anybody on here know if they fixed that stupid retcon that Amanda was not Alan's daughter, but, his sister? I never understood why they had to do that.

 

They never did. After Amanda left town they rarely even mentioned her. I got the feeling the story was done mostly to drive Alex out of town (since Marj Dusay had been fired), and to try to create some conflict. The problem was the story generated absolutely no conflict. I think Amanda was angry with Alan for a while but nothing came of it. The best part of it was a scene with Amanda and Philip where he advised her on what it's like to learn your parents aren't who you thought they were.

 

I also remember the story for getting Amanda's mother's name wrong on the birth certificate. 

 

I generally hated every single Reva storyline. In fact, I much preferred the show whenever she wasn't around!

 

Reva sucked up so much airtime that, in theory, the show should have been strong without her, given GL's powerhouse cast. I think this held true for a while, but by around 1994, when Zimmer wanted to return, I thought the show was incredibly bare. JFP or P&G were ignoring what could have worked (like the steamy chemistry between Alan-Michael and Gilly, the sweet, fun chemistry between Tangie and Cutter), for a lot of contrived business and crime stories, way too much of Lucy Cooper squeaking around Springfield, Justin Deas yelling in every scene for what seemed like 5 days a week, Alan's lackluster return with miscast Ron Raines (complete with a Japanese accent that made me pine for Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's), and the even more lackluster Alan/Tangie pairing. And the boring as hell Nick/Mindy, where Mindy had lost all fire and fun, and Nick was the most sanctimonious Church Lady around. I used to cringe every time he opened his trap. I have liked Vincent Irizarry in almost his soap roles, but ooh, I hated Nick, especially at that time.

 

I think the show rarely knew how to write for Reva when she came back, they kept trying to make her a lady (Pam Long knew Reva was no lady, and didn't want to be), but Zimmer always gave 100% percent, she never tanked stories just to suit what she wanted. I thought the last few years of the show took Reva closer back to the loud-mouthed trash, big-hearted woman she'd always been, and which I sort of loved her for. I remember after scuzzy Jeffrey had "died", and Reva spent the 4th of July alone with Hawk. Every time Hawk called her "sister" I would just smile. It was one of those moments I always associated with my first days watching GL, and it was just so familiar and warm, yet also somewhat sad, as it was a reminder that he'd never been a father to her.

 

One of my main characters to watch for was always Vanessa. I never wanted Vanessa to be TOO stately (which I thought she became during her marriage to Matt - not a fan), I loved her fire and her humor. I rarely watched for long during the periods where Maeve Kinkead left the show. The late '90s, where she often seemed comatose, was a tough slog, and I stopped watching not too long after she quit in 2000. I hated the way Vanessa was often taken for granted by the show. I'm glad that she came back in those last years, and that she had that beautiful happy ending with Billy, even if most of their reunion took place offcamera. (and I'm glad that by that time her relationship with Dinah didn't make me want Vanessa to backhand her).


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Posted Jul 10, 2013 @ 12:47 PM

I loved the original story of Amanda's parentage- young Alan falling in love with Jean Marie while "Misty" played on the turntable. And I loved Morgan/Kelly/Nola although I did grow tired of hearing JWS singing "You Needed Me." Loved Laurel Falls. I would love to see that 20 minute scene of Kelly confronting Nola about the baby. I was a big Josh/Reva fan in the beginning, but I think I stopped liking Reva after she came back from her swim off the 7-Mile Bridge. Each one of her stories got dumber and dumber. Hated her with Jeffrey. To me the only good thing about San Cristobal was Edmund. DAM was awesome with every piece of crap they threw at him. Loved Quint/Nola, Ed/Maureen, and original Phillip/Beth, but my all-time favrotie couple was Ross and Blake. I especially loved their wedding where the GL theme song was played. With lyrics!
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Posted Jul 10, 2013 @ 12:53 PM

 

I would love to see that 20 minute scene of Kelly confronting Nola about the baby.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=tuFGTlQZRYY


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Posted Jul 10, 2013 @ 10:40 PM

Thanks!  It was as wonderful as I remembered.


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