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[jorowe]

So I just wanted to comment that Luke was fabulous on last weeks episode! I always liked the character, but now I am totally prepared to join in the Luke love thing!

[caper24]

Felt bad for Luke last night. Things did not go well, and he deserves better. For some irrational reason I still hope that Lorelai is going to wake up and realize that Luke's the best thing that could ever happen to her. (I had hopes after the dream last season. Or was that the season before? I digress.) I really wish that Lorelai had stomped on Jess a little bit more.

Luke needs to divorce Nicole, and quickly. I just can't see anything good coming of that relationship.

[janie jones]

Luke's lame marriage annoys me. I hope it goes away soon.

And I was shocked when that guy TJ called him a dick. I didn't think I'd ever hear that word on Gilmore Girls.

[janie jones]

I don't care how it ends, as long as it does.

[IcyLuna]

After this last episode, I'm finally on the LukeTrainOfLove.....

I always liked him because he seemed like a genuinely nice guy but I never *hearted* him or was invested in a Luke/Lorelai ship. However, now I'm at the point that if by the end of this series these two people aren't together I'm going to parachute onto the studios roof in protest *ok, maybe not reallly*.

He just seemed so wounded after Jess' tirade and I wanted to go into mother bear mode. It was sad really.........I'm sitting there on my chair getting all pissed off over a show. I felt like stomping over to Jess along with Lorelai.

[lemon meringue]

Yeah, in the scenes between Luke and Jess, I really get a sense of Luke's caring side and his nurturing side - even when he's yelling at Jess. I really think Luke would make an excellent parent. He'd make mistakes, sure, everyone does, but he'd really care.

The Nicole thing is just stupid, IMO. Don't know why they're dragging it out.

[Readster]

Nicole is that annoying ex that doesn't know when to say its enough. They try to constantly control their ex and make them love them. IN the same time, they get pissed and upset when someone else is taking up the others time. Luke doesn't want to feel like he failed somethign else like he did with Jess. Hence why he's putting up with this shit with Nicole, yet its constantly shown he doesn't want his life with Nicole. Any other sane person would of just said: "Why are we doing this, we're miserable, we need to move on." Of course a character moving on past an ex on Gilmore Girls is like asking 7th Heaven to be a good show.

[healing fish]

Well, since they're still married and all, I don't blame Nicole for wanting Luke to at least act like she matters to him. I don't think her behavior qualifies her as an annoying ex.

[pathwatch]

I agree with healing fish. You can't be an "annoying ex" at least until you are an "ex". For whatever reasons, Luke did agree to stay married and to live with Nicole - to the point where Nicole goes out, finds a townhouse in a neighboring town, moves out of her apartment, and into what she would assume be their home. She's not annoying. She's pissed. And hurt. And angry. And she should be.

[Readster]

More reasons why she needs to end it since it was her idea to give it another try.

[Chiaroscuro]

Just wanted to say, first of all, the SP/Luke just rocks my socks with his acting abilities and his general hotness. Because he is, you know, a beautiful lookin' man.

Second of all, wanted to add that I'm extremely pleased with the amount of screen time that he's been given and can't wait to see tonight's spring break episode. Luke in jail, in need of bail. (Unintentional rhyming, there.) Be still my heart. And if things keep going like they have been, it's 'So long, Sister Nicole!'

Also, does anyone know of any good things SP's been in besides GG and being spongeworthy? Also, in his spongeworthy days, he is without the tattoo. And he's all lovely and half-naked, though all clean and not grizzly and not nearly as good looking as he is now. If that's possible. And whatever they're paying him, it should be more because I was drawn to the show because of Luke as was my mother, who claims to hate everything about the show except him. And Emily. Enough, enough, I'm done. So long.

[smrou]

Okay, yummmm.

That is all.

[seawench]

Umm.... Sweaty Luke, Shirtless Luke, Luke's ass in baseball pants.... Is there any downside to this?

I'll second that yummmm.

[tvmaniac]

gluglug you are my new BFF for linking to the hot, hot Arliss pics. Does anyone know the name of the episode? Can I rent it somewhere? I so need to see that epi of Arliss! (That pic of Scott in his tighty-whities -- so my new computer wallpaper!)

ETA: I thought Scott did a kick-ass job last night showing Luke's frustration at the Nicole situation. I am glad Luke took out his frustrations on the car and not a person. But I'm mad at Luke for not going up and at least asking Nicole about what is going on, rather than jumping to conclusions. Cuz' I'm not always just about the cuteness, sometimes I'm about the acting, too.

Edited by tvmaniac, Apr 14, 2004 @ 9:05 AM.

[Brahmsian]

Some Arli$$ (yes, the dollar signs *are* part of the show's official title) episodes are available on this "Best Of" DVD but I can't find anything about which episodes they are, sorry.

Edited by Brahmsian, Apr 14, 2004 @ 2:53 PM.

[chyvonne]

Responding to the Luke issue from the Girls in Bikini's Boy's Doin' the Twist thread to explain more on why I had little sympathy for Luke's sittuation in this episode:

but even if they had divorced they would still be boyfriend and girlfriend and it would still be horrible of her to cheat on him.

That is true. I guess my non-sympathy for Luke in this sittuation comes more from the fact that Luke was never shown before this episode (and since the divorce) to be emotionally involved, not only in the marraige, but also in the relationship. After the honeymoon reached dry land it was pretty much over for him. He represented as much when he told Lorelai about it in Ballroom and Biscotti. He didn't even want to deal with the logistics of the divorce because he didn't care how it was over, he just wanted it over. Then when Nicole suggested that they stay together he just kind of went along with it. It didn't seem like he would have been too affected if it had gone the other way. Pamie didn't transcribe the ep, and I don't still have it on tape, but isn't there a quote in Die, Jerk where Lorelai asks why Luke and Nicole are back together and he says because it's easier this way? In my mind that's a guy who's going with the flow, not someone who conciously made a decision that he was going to try his hardest to make this thing work. And I think his behavior up to now, and since then pretty much reflects that attitude. When they "moved in together" he still kept his bachelor pad in tact. Typically when a couple moves in together it's so they can live together. Otherwise they just do little things like keeping toothbrushes, etc. at eachother's houses or swaping keys. If Luke was not ready to live with her he shouldn't have moved in and if he wasn't ready to really try to commit to her he shouldn't have gotten back together with her. But he went with the flow, for what was easiest, and when it got hard and Nicole wanted to talk to him he walked out on a fight. And that is why I lack sympathy for him. Not because I think it's ok for Nicole to cheat on him. But because he screwed up by promising things he didn't really intend to follow through on. And in my mind that's almost as crappy as cheating (not that it justifies infidelity). Wonderpanther said in the GiBBDtT thread:

I want to see more real relstionships working and characters being emotionally invested in their relationships.

And this is how I feel about Luke and Nicole's relationship. He wasn't invested, she knew it when she made the coment about him calling it "our place". He knew it since the summer ended. It was as if he tried to keep up appearances in their relationship by moving in together, whether it was to convince himself, or Nicole or anyone else that it could work I don't know. But his heart wasn't in it. Maybe this is inevitable for him due to his feelings for Lorelai, he wasn't really committed in his heart to Rachel either (although at least they were much more interesting to watch). But whether he meant to or not he sabotaged the relationship, and that's why I don't think he should be surprised that it all went to hell

It is crappy that she suggested staying together and then cheated on him. I don't condone cheating. It is wrong and hurtful.

And maybe his reaction was perfect for the sittuation. But that doesn't mean I have to like it:0)

Edited by chyvonne, Apr 15, 2004 @ 3:37 AM.

[pathwatch]

chyvonne, I completely agree. Luke never was emotionally invested in Nicole. Not even when they were dating. He just did it because Jess egged him on and because he was too chicken to ask Lorelai out.

But, I didn't see his melt-down as a reaction to the "death of the relationship". I (fanwanked, I guess) that he was just finally reacting to all of the "failures" in his life. His failure with Jess. His failure with Nicole. His failure to become emotionally invested with anyone. His failure with Lorelai (never asking her out, etc.).

Thinking that Nicole cheated, without actual proof, makes it easier to be angry at someone and make that seem legitimate. Now he can get all that anger out and blame Nicole, instead of himself. A little Jess-like, I know. But, maybe that runs in the family.

[tvmaniac]

Thanks gluglug and Brahmsian for the info. about Scott P on Arli$$. Makes it much easier to track down the episode!

[bogtrotter]

this is his 1997 appearance on HBO's Arliss, where he played a baseball player. Click here for yummy screencaps

Dear Jesus, please make Amy Sherman-Palladino stop torturing me. Let her be inspired to free Luke from his flannel shrouds during, like, a 22-episode-spanning Stars Hollow heat wave.

Thank you, gluglug.

[chyvonne]

pathwatch, even if your explanation for the freak-out is fanwanked, I like it a lot better than the supposistion that all of the sudden he's torn apart by this one thing. It makes sense, people often hold in feelings about things that bother them, and then when there are too many things held in the dam breaks. So thanks for your explanation.

[Theaterchick]

I agree with you both, pathwatch and chyvonne. I think he was upset about all that stuff, but that it took something pretty big to shock him out of his denial. I'm sure he knew that the Nicole thing was going to end, but he was probably expecting more whimper, less bang. Even though their relationship sucked (we can agree on that, right?) I don't think he saw this coming.

Also, as pathwatch touched on, Luke's M.O. is to get angry. It's hard to get angry at the vague feeling something's not going well, but this is more tangible and easier to yell about. It's also a defense mechanism to get angrier about something that makes you feel guilty. Knowing he didn't really try to make it work could have fueled his response, too.

And can I just say how glad I was that Luke was (apparently) sober during his meltdown and trip to jail? I was worried after Nag Hammadi that he'd turn to the bottle. Even though SP makes a freaking cute drunk.

Thank you for the link to the yummy SP goodness, gluglug! Unfortunately, even a Stars Hollow heatwave probably couldn't get Luke into short sleeves, let alone a towel. It occurred to me, watching Luke ranting outside Nicole's window, that his clothes are almost like armor to him. With his hat, that Army jacket, the fingerless gloves, and the big boots, it's like protective gear, or a uniform. I'm not sure if it's protecting him from outside stuff or just that it's familiar and comfortable, and makes him feel safe. Or maybe I just think too much.

[LiberryLady]

I'm sure he knew that the Nicole thing was going to end, but he was probably expecting more whimper, less bang.

Dirty!

[bogtrotter]

Unfortunately, even a Stars Hollow heatwave probably couldn't get Luke into short sleeves, let alone a towel. It occurred to me, watching Luke ranting outside Nicole's window, that his clothes are almost like armor to him. With his hat, that Army jacket, the fingerless gloves, and the big boots, it's like protective gear, or a uniform.

Well, a girl can dream, Theaterchick.
Agree about the clothing's metaphorical uses. The sermon on the color of the stripe he insists on having for his socks was textbook Luke. And he gets all squirmy and nervous every time Lorelai makes cracks about his wardrobe, even the omnipresent backwards baseball cap. I loved that episode where she went shopping at Bloomingdale's and made him try on all the business casual stuff. He was hilarious in that scene.

Personally, my favorite Luke look is when he's blasting around the diner with his order pad stuck into the waistband of his jeans, pointing invitingly at The Forbidden Zone. Heehee. Always wonder if Scott adds that particular look himself, or whether it's scripted.