Actually, over the course of the episode she lets five vampires waltz off into the night. Don't forget the two random vamps she doesn't bother slaying because they didn't commit the particular murders she was investigating at the time!
Possibly the worst offender is Crush, at the end of which the Slayer lets not one, not two, but three vampires escape with absolutely no effort to stop any of them.
Buffy Season Five
Posted Apr 26, 2012 @ 5:45 PM
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Posted Jul 2, 2012 @ 9:24 AM
I'm wondering this because it seems like Dawn might not have been as irritating a presence if she wasn't in every episode even if she didn't need to be (e.g. The Replacement) whereas Tara was around longer but still only a guest star. And in the next seasons, Dawn's presence is even less relevant, so having her pop up occasionally, as Joyce did in the first few seasons, would make sense.
Posted Jul 2, 2012 @ 10:16 AM
Posted Jul 2, 2012 @ 10:36 AM
As for S5, I think she was a fairly central character so credits seemed warranted.
Frankly I think Tara should have been a credits character for more than the one episode in S6.
Note: Joss Whedon needs to atone for his many evils:
- murder of Tara
- Xander leaving Anya at the altar
- Wash (Firefly)
- Cordelia S4 (Angel)
I'm just saying. But I don't think Dawn being in the credits is one of them.
Posted Jul 2, 2012 @ 1:53 PM
I agree that the writers should have adapted their writing for MT's age. I would have enjoyed a story arc with her over the Potentials' multi-ep snooze fest "plot" in S7.
Posted Jul 2, 2012 @ 4:31 PM
It actually makes sense for Dawn to be a main credits character, it's like with Johnathon in Superstar, she's there like she's always been around and important.
Edited by TimeMonkey, Jul 3, 2012 @ 12:01 AM.
Posted Jul 2, 2012 @ 6:23 PM
Posted Jul 4, 2012 @ 6:52 PM
Once a character is in the credits, they won't be leaving unless the actor decides to quit the show or they move to a spin off.
Well, once a character is in the opening credits their actor has a contract and can't just quit the show. So, I think they were just more concerned with having her on lock down until the end of the season therefore she had to be a regular.
Posted Aug 16, 2012 @ 3:50 AM
Im more cynical I think as the cast were getting older and SMP or SMG (whichever you prefer) was making noises about wanting to leave at this time they thought bring in a young actress to carry on the show for the future. I remember JW was asked at the time off Dawn the Vampire Slayer and he replied that he would watch it.
Regardless I think the Dawn charachter (no disrespect to MT as a person) was the worst thing to happen to BtVS and ruined it as a show.
She was badly written with plot holes so big you could drive cars through,but whats worse (for me anyway) was that it involved fundamentally re-writing charachters (partiucarly Buffy) and the whole ethos of the show by bringing Dawn in. All because Joss could not be bothered to devolp the other charachters. While Dawn, whose storyline such as it was finished at the end of S5 and she should never have been allowed to live past S5 as she had no relevance whatsoever to the show past then.
Edited by Decado, Aug 16, 2012 @ 3:56 AM.
Posted Aug 16, 2012 @ 9:35 AM
But was the actress really going to be going anywhere though. Its not like she had a huge resume and was in demand plus she was only a child anyway.
They really can't take that chance. yeah, she was more than likely not going anywhere. But they can't risk not locking her down and then come the season finale she has booked a movie and there is no key reveal.
Plus, Pete and Pete looms very large on a resume for me!
I do think Dawn should have been done in season 5. There was no point to her after that.
Edited by Cherith, Aug 16, 2012 @ 9:39 AM.
Posted Aug 16, 2012 @ 10:35 AM
Although I guess Dawn could just have gone to her dad's or a free boarding school or something. Huh.
And, for what it's worth, I actually really enjoy watching Dawn's character grow up, what little we got to see of it, anyway. And I absolutely think she's amazing in season seven. Hell, I'm glad she stuck around for her scenes in "Same Time, Same Place" alone!
Posted Aug 31, 2012 @ 11:30 PM
I do think Dawn should have been done in season 5. There was no point to her after that.
While Dawn, whose storyline such as it was finished at the end of S5 and she should never have been allowed to live past S5 as she had no relevance whatsoever to the show past then.
From what I recall, the whole point of Dawn was that the writers wanted Buffy to have a sister. It seems they were very taken with the idea. Unfortunately, it had been firmly established that Buffy was an only child. Luckily, on this show, they could use magic to give her a sibling. And all the Key/Glory business was just what they had to go through to make that happen.
So, from the writers' perspective, Dawn's story wasn't done at the end of season five because all the Key stuff wasn't the point of her character. Buffy having a sibling was.
Edited by Bitterswete, Aug 31, 2012 @ 11:31 PM.
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Posted Nov 18, 2012 @ 1:43 AM
Buffy didn't deliberately kill a human until season five though. Ford was his own choice and the zoo keeper was more an accident.
Which human did Buffy kill in Season Five? I don't remember.
Posted Nov 18, 2012 @ 11:01 AM
Posted Nov 18, 2012 @ 11:26 AM
If I remember correctly, she could have tried to help the zookeeper, and she did try to kill Faith. But in any of those cases I'm not really thinking about a line. Those were all in defense of someone those people were trying to kill, and they're all choices in a limited-choice situation even if the specific circumstances are somewhat different for each.
Posted Jan 14, 2013 @ 10:51 PM
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Posted Jan 15, 2013 @ 1:12 PM
Then there was the Riley breakup, which was handled in a totally offensive and character-assassinating way. Why couldn't the two of them just realize they weren't right for each other? It seemed like the writers wanted to have it both ways, giving him this huge dramatic exit with the helicopter and the running, while also trying to portray Buffy as Just Not That Into Him. Personally, I thought Buffy was never anything but loving and affectionate to Riley in Season 5, but she had a lot on her plate, and Riley's behavior was one of the craziest overreactions I've ever seen on TV. I couldn't sympathize with him at all, yet the writers clearly wanted us to, and even implied on multiple occasions that Buffy was at fault fot not paying Riley enough attention while her mom was dying. Gross.
Then there was Glory. Oh, Glory. She amused me at times, and I found her downright scary at other times, but she was introduced way too early given her power set and agenda. At least other villains like the Mayor or Spike and Dru had a sense of patience and/or other priorities, so it made sense for them to bide their time until the finale. But Glory was portrayed as totally impatient and driven toward one purpose from the beginning, so we were treated to dozens of repetitive scenes of her demanding to know where the key was, or brainsucking another random, and it got boring.
Spike's crush on Buffy also seemed to drag on and on.
So while I think this season has a lot of strong points, the pacing was just poorly handled. There weren't as many strong standalones, and that coupled with the depressing nature of the storylines sucked a lot of the dynamism and energy out of the show. That suckage wouldn't be complete until the next season, however.
Posted Jan 15, 2013 @ 1:45 PM
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Posted Jan 16, 2013 @ 9:23 AM
Personally, I thought Buffy was never anything but loving and affectionate to Riley in Season 5, but she had a lot on her plate, and Riley's behavior was one of the craziest overreactions I've ever seen on TV.
Doylist view: They decided to dump Riley and go for Spuffy on a slow burn is my guess. They threw Riley under the bus a bit to make that happen IMO.
Watsonian view: Riley got very serious about Buffy very quickly. He wanted the intensity of a Bangle like relationship IMO and she couldn't go there. She may NEVER go there again. Between his impatience, his world-view getting shattered (the bad guy being his mentor and his own organization), the chemical issues left over from the experience, the intensity of the life that he was put into --- Riley was just lost. And Buffy wasn't prepared to be his "everything". It didn't mean she didn't love him but it wasn't at the same level. IMO there's nothing wrong with that. What Riley needed was another mission to get back on his feet and more importantly redefine himself (after all his world-view changes) without Buffy. If he hadn't met Sam and fallen in love, I could see he and Buffy being the real deal - when Buffy was ready. Riley may only have been a few years older than her but he was already at the marrying stage in his life --- Buffy was no where near.
Bottom line: I think the vampire whore storyline was meta driven and made Riley look like an ass. I think they actually had a better storyline (he was looking for a life partner NOW and she was looking for a boyfriend). But they sort of used that on Anya/Xander the next year.
Posted Jan 16, 2013 @ 10:06 AM