Just as a reminder (and to revitalize this discussion):

Second half of the season starts next Friday. Set yer VCRs....

Living in the UK but because of university I missed series six originally so now living on a diet of Series 7 on a Monday and Series 6 on a Sunday....and actually Daniel's replacement is quite sexy...still miss the intellectual but well toned body of Daniel but its quite good so far...

Never been a fan of the Replicators arc I have to say; hope they are not back in series 7. I have always loved the comedy and the usually "dont take yourself seriously" attitude though some things surprise me (like the Replicators episode where they double crossed the poor lad....)...

Top show and also good on the eye - the Jaffa in particular but also one particular Tok'ra...whose identity ascaped me...

AH well....here is to series 8 - is there one?

Ok, I just started watching Stargate after taking the advice of a few of the posters here (thanks!). Here a few random thoughts so far:

Jack seems to be a bit of a jerk. He's not very likable. I'm all for sarcasm, but he just takes it over the top. Unless that's the point of his character....

Daniel is hella fine! Not to mention very intelligent.

Teal'c is awesome. All the cliches: loyal, strong, brave, nice body. Oh, um, I added that last one.

Sam? I don't know what to make of her yet. Enthusiastic, kind of a genius, a tad bit annoying, but totally likable.

About the story: I'd seen the movie, so the good guy/bad guy struggle wasn't too hard to follow. Although, I'm a bit confused as to who the Tokra are. As far as the Jack/Sam ship, I can't even see the dock, much less the ship sailing. Not that I don't want the ship to sail, but I just don't see it.

Also, I'm confused as to how many seasons have actually been made and shown. What season is Sci-Fi starting on Friday?

What episodes have you seen so far, skye? The personality of Jack fluctuates wildly between "wisecracking nice guy" to "asshole idiot".

The Tokra are basically go'aulds who have broken away from the mainstream and only inhabit willing hosts. They work as an underground resistance. They are Earth's allies, but there isn't complete trust between the two groups.

I haven't gotten to know the titles yet and to avoid saying "the one where...." over and over again, I'll just find an episode guide and find the titles of the ones I've seen.

Welcome, skye!

As nqllisi said, Jack's character can really fluctuate, depending on the season. He was a lot more three-dimensional and interesting the first three or four seasons, but in some of the later episodes, he seems to have dumbed down for the comic relief, which was a pity.

We are now in the seventh season -- the season started last summer, and then there was something like a five month haitus, so the episode on Friday will be the first episode of the second half of the seventh season.

SciFi isn't helping with the confusion, since they are showing episodes from different past seasons at 6 p.m. weekdays, and then repeats from the sixth and/or seventh season on Mondays, and then the current season on Fridays. Very weird programming.

A good place to catch up is Gateworld, which has synopses of all the past episodes (I don't agree with their ratings, however). And you can always ask questions here....

OK, I've seen Point of View, Deadman Switch, Demons, Orpheus, Birthright, and about half a dozen more from the first few seasons that I can't find the titles to right now.

I hate that Sci-Fi scheduling. They did it with Farscape and it really messed me up. Why do they do that?

Jack/Sam? Yuck. I've seen, like, only twenty episodes and already KNOW that is SO not of the Lord. The woman is an idiot. A sweet, loveable idiot? Yes. But an idiot nevertheless.

Sam/Daniel? Also yuck, for reasons even I can't describe, but it IS better than the whole WackoJacko/StupidSam pairing.

And why kill Janet, the only sensible one out of all of them? *sighs*

And poor Teal'c. The man has NEVER gotten laid or even kissed, far as I know. I mean, technically, he did have that worm/larve/whatever to keep him company......I betcha that at the end of the season, sammie will "come to her senses" and go after HIM. Then she'll have completed her rounds.

It's really all a pity.

This is all a matter of MY opinion, of course..

And yes, I AM in a bad mood. Sorry for the vehemence.

Edited to say to Becky and Dani:

Like Jonas, but thought he was kinda....fake acting till that eppy with the frozen chick that healed everybody (sorry, forgot the name.) Started liking him then.

Possibly because they have a very brother/sister type relationship, so thinking about the two of them together romantically seems vaguely incestuous.

Has anyone here seen 'Grace' yet? I know it's already aired in the UK, so I'm hoping we can get a bit of discussion going instead of waiting until it airs in America. I, for one, want to know about the Sam/Jack kiss that was supposed to happen in this episode. Someone please tell me that it was a dream or a hallucination or something similar - if it turns out it was real Sam'n'Jack twu wuv stuff, I think I may have to strangle someone.

He had a wife and a fling with that Jaffa Priestess whose symbiont went into Methos. And most recently Chris Judge wrote himself an episode where he romanced T'Pol.

qu0s, the kiss was a hallucination

Quos, this is major spoiler and tells you what happens in the episode. Basically the kiss was really brief and was Sam hallucinating to herself through out the whole episode. Jack appears as a hallucination saying that she needs to get a man (actually her Hallucination Dad tells her this) as she's not explored that area of her life because she's scared and not willing to lose control. Halluc Jack says she can go after him but really there's no point as he's a safe option because he's unavailable, thats why she wants him because she knows they can't be together so she will never have to lose control. Halluc Jack tells her to start looking elsewhere, and that he'll always be there but unless one of them is prepared to "lose control" then nothing will ever happen. She gives him a split-second sort of "i just want to know what this feels like/goodbye snog."

oh, geez...lol. I'm glad Jack has common sense, though...lol

Heh heh heh. Those spoilers are excellent! My god, someone on SG-1 acting like an intelligent, rational adult? I certainly didn't see that coming. Now I'll actually be able to watch the episode without cringing in fear. Woohoo!

Thanks for the spoilers, paulvdb and vickyc007. You've made my night.

Cynthia, it looks like the Hallucination Jack has the common sense. I don't think the Real Jack would be quite so rational.

Either that or Jack regained whatever common sense he had left since the Dive and Crumble incident...

Wow. I had no idea the UK was ahead of the US on eps -- go them! Thanks for the 411 on that particular event. That was where my mind was on it.

Since I got all the way to today and only just now remembered, "Hey, it's back on tonight on Sci-Fi," this is a friendly heads up for anyone else who may have completely spaced it =D.

Good ep tonight....not thrillling, but a good solid ep.

- What was with the non-flirting flirting moments between Sam and Jack? I mean, really , that was kind of weird..

-Hurrah for Enrico Colantoni...he and Jack give good banter. Although I got the feeling he was playing Dennis Hopper playing Burke.

- Nice "Oh holy shit " moment with Anubis's army...I sort of feel sorry for Jonas though, since now he's responsible ( but not really ) for giving Anubis a big big advantage.

-Favorite moment? "Jack...what the hell are you doing here?" You think you're about to die, then you turn around and there's your team leader who you assumed was in a whole nother country and a bunch of dead bodies...yeah , I think that would be my reaction.

My god, MS is buff....grroowr.

I totally agree with your entire post, Goldfish (especially the "grroowr").

I tuned in late, though, so I was a little lost, but it was just good to have my show on again!

Oh yeah....I had to go on a quest to find a free dorm common room with cable, but it was all worth it.

"What is hurt?"
"My pride."
Hee...I always love the Bra'tac / Teal'c chemistry.

My only less than favorite part? Bug-eyed!Scenery-chewing!RevolutionaryGuy. Too over-the-top to be truly intimidating.
Although, he gave us sweaty tough Daniel, so it's all good. ...

"Are you sure it's off?"
"Yeah...well, it's not glowing, so we think it's off..Daniel , you wanna hold it?"
"No."

I found the Super Soldier plot to be super boring.

The Jack-and-Burke backstory was fairly interesting.

I loved the Daniel plot- he got to be strong, smart, and supersexy. Loved that he held out against torture *and* figured out how to escape *and* saved what's-his-name.

I loved Jack rescuing Daniel. I thought MS played that scene very well.

And, yes, MS was very... growww.

I was rather disappointed in the episode. For one thing, I couldn't figure out exactly why we had two totally distinct story lines going, one of which had next to nothing to do with the other. I found the Sam/Teal'c/SuperSoldier story so convoluted that by the second half, I found myself waiting for the action to shift back to the Canadian jungles.

I dunno -- the whole thing with Jack & his old crony sorta irritated me. I had heard that we were going to get some of Jack's backstory, but I thought it was going to be Jack's backstory -- not what was going on with some old friend whom we had never met before, and whom frankly I didn't care much about. Oh, I had no problem with the actor, and I rather liked the banter, but I really didn't care how long he'd been hanging out in Honduras, or why he'd killed some guy whom we've never heard about until now. So that part sort of lost me.

I expect a new series about that guide -- he's obviously some kind of alien life. He lies around for days in the jungle, doesn't grow a beard, doesn't need water, doesn't bleed even though he's been shot, and is quite happy to put off being rescued as long as he'll eventually be paid.

Daniel, all dirty & sweaty & muscled -- very nice. Yes, very nice indeed. And I loved his dazed "What are you doing here?" when he saw Jack, and his sudden realization that he looked slightly ridiculous holding that rock.

I rather dislike ship (actually, I dislike both the ship as in Jack/Sam relationship, and the ship as in big honkin' space ship -- I'd rather concentrate on Stargate stories, thank you very much. But I digress...). I did see the shippiness in the two scenes with Sam & Jack -- and I must admit, they irritated me. The first one, especially -- Jack announced that he was going to get Daniel as though Daniel was around the corner at the library, and was late coming home for dinner. I think they were trying to play the underlying sexual tension underneath the words, but it came off as though the words didn't matter -- which meant that Daniel didn't really matter. Not what the script or the actors intended, I'm sure, but that's how the reading seemed to me.

Wow. Was this 'half' filmed at the same time as the previous 'half'? I don't remember Daniel being so wonderfully buff. Actually, RDA looked pretty good too - I'm digging his haircut. (It has been a while since I saw the first half... I don't think he had that cut before. I could be hallucinating.) To tell the truth, I was only half watching while I finished up some work (at 9 on a Friday. Wow, how sad. Deadlines are fun.) but I taped it and need to rewatch.

Yeah. Sweet dreams tonight!

And no bugs were crawling on him either.

It seems kind of weird that they're going to try to make a weapon out of something that regenerates life.

Didn't seem too weird to me. I mean, now that they've got it, Sam can analyze it ,(hopefully) find its weakness, and make a weapon which exploits it.

With all that talk about Egeria, was anyone thinking that maybe , somehow, that was Egeria? I don't remember the Pangar episode very well, but perhaps she survived, was goauld'napped by agents of Anubis, and they managed to revive her and brainwash her? Or am I spinning my wheels here?

Well, if you go by what they showed in season six, Egeria has well and truly carked it. On the other hand, they showed Martouf/Lantesh dying in season four only to turn around and say that Lantesh miraculously survived. So you never know. Canonically Egeria should be dead, but you can never rule out deus ex machina from the writers if they want to use her again.

The Daniel whumping was good! Everything this freak could ask for. The comfort was -um, what comfort? No comfort at all. GRRR!!! Couldn't they have thrown us a bone? Jack asking if Daniel was okay? (and, they could have edited it better so there would have been time? Maybe having the re-alive guy appear a second later, after Jack asked him?) Or, instead of having a last moment between Jack and Who-the-hell-cares Burke, what about one moment between Jack and Daniel? We got moments between Sam and Jacob, Brat'ac and Teal'c, and the aformentioned moment between Jack and Burke. Again, GRRRR!

And, I hate the ship. The J/S ship, that is.

Oh, I don't know. Jack and Daniel standing there with their arms around each other when Jack helped him to stand did alot to get my heart going pit-a-pat.*g*

ddp

The Burke story reminded me too much of...Cromwell? in A Matter of Time. Only Burke was way too over the top. And Burke's story that the third friend was bad was a leeettle too convenient for me.

Loved Daniel hopping away from the device.

The guide who should have been dead in the woods?? Either there's more story to him (which, considering Jack and Burke weren't surprised at his good condition, I don't think so) or it was just bad costuming/acting. I'm going with the latter.

Loved Jacob and Bra'tac silently working together to get rid of the supersoldier. I was kind of surprised that the rings would reintegrate in open space, though.

I'll preserve my little shippy dance for a more ship-friendly venue. *g* It wasn't much, but I'll take it.

or it was bad writing. it was just ridiculous.

OT TV alert: Waaaay back there, somebody asked when CN's Smallville episode, "Zero," might re-air. It's on at 7 pm EST on the WB this evening (Sunday).

Munchiewoman said:

Don't you remember the deep space rescue in Tangent? My housemate and I agreed that Sam really deserved that slap for continuing to shoot and not going for the rings first. In Tangent, they were her idea.

I thought Jonas looked very spunky in the episode with the bugs...

I have mixed feelings about Evolution II

Positive:

Intelligent!Jack was back! Huzzah! I've missed him. I guess the SGC ran out of stupid pills that day.

Burke: Enrico C. did a fine job.

Scruffy!TiedUp!Buff!Brave!Feisty!Daniel

Bray'tac - Yay!

Jacob/Selmac - again Yay!

Cool SFX of the bad guy getting 'ringed'.

Goa'uld Queen in tank - creepy.

Negatives:

What! No comfort? Would it have killed TPTB to write in a simple "Are you okay?".

Burke: He's a one-shot guest star, who cares about his back-story?

Sam's one perfect trickle of blood, carefully placed so as not to spoil her makeup. Also, her designer sling. Uh, didn't she land on her otherarm when the Jaffa hit her? Is the continuity person on strike?

Anubis: About as scary as a five year-old's Halloween costume. Also, why is the great lord and master of the galaxy personally informing his minions of a technical problem? Apophis would have delegated that task to one of the pitiful humans in his entourage.

Super Soldiers: Gee, did someone watch 'Attack Of The Clones'?

Why didn't they blow up Anubis's whole base instead of just the Queen's tank while they were there?

The two stories had no real connection and IMHO, it would have worked better as two separate eps. The continual cutting back and forth was jarring.

The supposed 'shippy' moments between Sam and Jack. As usual, RDA looked as if he could have used a good laxative.

Laira -- Once an episode has run in the U.S. market, I don't think you have to mark it as a spoiler any more....

I spent the weekend holed up in my bedroom (ignoring the skyefamily) watching the Seasons 1-4 DVDs and noticed this:

In "Children of the Gods", Skaara was chosen by a Goa'uld couple to be the host for a "child of the gods", essentially becoming their son. However, in "Within the Serpent's Grasp", he was the host for Apophis' son, Klorel. Why the change? Did I miss something or am I mistaken?

No, skye, you didn't miss anything. That's one of those incongruities that the producers/directors/writers obviously hope that we won't notice, or if we do, that we won't care.

I thought it was a reasonably good episode, but Jack was not the right choice for a Burke-style backstory. It seems to me that due to his experiences, predisposition, and responsibilities, Jack almost never looks back. What's done is done. Yeah, the death of his son nearly ruined him, but little after that appears to have really ever bothered him. To be effective, he can't agonize over every decision and every loss. He puts things behind him pretty easily and doesn't think about them again. So for the story to really work, there needed to be more tension on Jack's part about possibly having ruined a former friend's life, but the way it played out, as we would have expected from him, he was all, "Whatever, fool. Get over it."

Anyhow, I was as the movie theater and it was cool to hear the Stargate theme being played in the trailer for Sky Captain. It's an action theme for any occasion!

They set the C-4 on the Queen's tank, saw the legion of supersoldiers and got caught before they had a chance to set any more C-4. Then they were running for their lives from very slow supersoldiers.

My mind was set to Stargate:SG1 this weekend.

I went to an open mic session that I was invited to among hip, artistic, literate, middle-class African-Americans who discuss poetry, music and literature. If this scene is hard to wrap your mind around, you should rent "Love Jones", to get an idea of what I mean.

Anyway, the open mic was held at a place called "TOKA", but I kept thinking the place was named "TOKRA".

I don't usually tout fanfic, but I just read a really funny and on-target retelling of Evolution II. It can be found here.

OK, I'm still catching up on the DVD's and I have another question:

What's everyone's beef with the J/S relationship? Outside of DaC and that tiny bit in WOO, there has been next to nothing. Granted, I haven't seen any Season 5 eps and maybe three Season 6 and 7 eps, so I can't speak to those. It seems like a given that they will never get together given their, as Sam put it (in DaC), "working relationship and military ranks". This is nowhere near the height of "shippiness" as X-Files or Farscape. Actually, I kind of like the way it's been handled and I'm not even a, for lack of a better word, "shippy" person. Again, if I am missing anything or mistaken, and something happens in S. 5 or 6 to change their relationship, please let me know so I can retract my statement and steer clear of those episodes.

Maybe not, but I'm not grading on a curve. Any ship ruins this show for me, and they always seem to find a way to slip little bits in here and there. There's the way the two of them always seem to be making eyes at each other at inappropriate moments, the way they're always far more concerned whenever the other one is missing/hurt/in danger ("What's that? Daniel's been tortured until he can hardly stand up? Eh, he'll get over it. Huh? Sam's missing in action? Nooooooooooooo! My life is over!"), the way the tinkly piano of Sam'n'Jack love gets played in the background in some of their scenes together... honestly, there's far more of this crap than you'd think. And it never fails to make me want to strangle someone.

skye, I don't care if you're not "shippy," you're now my new friend. Believe me, I need one around here. And you might after that post! *g*

I can't think of anything during the first two seasons that led me to think there might be an intimate relationship between Jack and Sam. However, when she's promoted at the beginning of season 3 to major and Jack pins on the left insignia -- that side is done by family. If Jacob couldn't be there (yes, I know he wasn't, but a promotion that isn't announced over a month in advance is also extremely rare), and she'd asked Jack to pin the other side I could have handled it. By just doing it, it implied that they were, well, just doing it.

Throughout season 3 there are just these little moments. Things that wouldn't seem romantic, because of their long standing friendship, if they happened with Daniel seem romantic with Sam because we never see the friendship side of it. By the time you have the first 7 episodes of season 4, the dynamic of the team is very off. Sam isn't asking any of the questions that she should -- and as an officer she has a right to question orders -- or that she might have asked a season or two earlier. Daniel is treated like dirt by Jack and Sam in a couple of episodes The Other Side, Divide and Conquer, and Scorched Earth being the most egregious examples.

Most of us who object to 'ship in Stargate, object to it because it messes with the team dynamic. Season 5 had some great episodes and some real clunkers. The great ones involved the team; the clunkers brought in outside influences and downplayed SG-1.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see them broaden the SGC a bit. Not with the fantasies of parody scientists or Sam getting involved in a space race, but something logical that flows from the team. An episode from Sgt Walter Davis' point of view could be a real eye-opener, for instance.

Ooops, this horse is high. I'll climb down now.

So are you saying that Jack and Sam isnt OK but Jack, Daniel, Teal'c and Sam is? (smirk) ; )

qu0s, I can totally understand that and that answers my original question. If you don't want to see ANY of this, then I can see how the little bits they do throw in could sicken you.


True, and so very funny.


I guess I don't really notice it or maybe I just don't mind it as long as it's not always in my face.



Munchiewoman, it's all good. I don't mind getting flamed for not being an anti-shipper. I guess you could say I'm sort of on the fence. Besides, I really watch the show for the Stargate, so as long as that's the main focus, I'm cool.

Hey Munchiewoman we'll have to stick together I'm afraid. When Exposure was shown in the UK, both me and my flatmate both immediately went "oh bugger" as we had realised it looked like TPTB were ruling out J & S getting together. We're all soppy romantics in our house and love that sort of thing. Of course, it was all just a hallucination so who really knows........

My biggest problem with the J/S ship is that it is has not been well written. It just seems to pop up in a episode here or there (e.g. episodes like D&C and now Grace )where Jack and Sam admit that they have feelings for each other that go against military code. Feelings that affect their behavior on missions and the team dynamic and they don’t do anything about it to resolve it. This makes me lose respect for both characters.

For the record my other problems with the ship 1. IMO there is just no romantic chemistry between the two (which granted is a matter of taste). 2. I may be old fashioned but I believe in a relationship where one person must always refer to other as Sir and follow their orders, there should at least be one safety word. JMHO