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Clark wants to start training with Jor-El; Lois meets John Corben (Brian Austin Green), a new reporter at the Daily Planet; Chloe makes a request that drives a wedge between her and Clark.
SaveLevi
So, the moral of the story is...all hot guys love fake boobies? Cougars are popular in the ultimate fighting circuit?

If the Henry retcon is supposed to stick, they’d better stop talking about ‘Jimmy.’

This whole icy Chlark thing is a real blow to the depth of the story. I don’t need romantic Chlark but to manipulate the friendship to allow for Lois to slink in just reeks of FAIL. The only truly tender, organic moment of the entire episode, IMO, was when Clark looked at Chloe for the first time. Other than that, I felt nothing about any of this. The preposterous nature of Jor-El claiming that Lois is what’s holding Clark to humanity is beyond words. So all the time that Clark was moping around, getting dick accomplished while pining for Lana was okay, but a few constipated looks between Clois and suddenly she’s the big weight on his shoulders?

What the fuck ever, show.

I like CB, but his mush mouth is annoying.

So...if Lois' dream is a glimpse of the future, if Clois are together then Chloe is dead? Does that mean that if she doesn't die, Clois aren't together?

I don't think this is Clark.
FuzzyPink
Quick thoughts:

- Not the epic most of the pre-reviews made it out to be, but still a damn good premiere.
- This? Is not the way to make me start liking Chloe again.
- Monique did a good job in her fight scenes. And I'm wondering who the hell "Alia" is, so good job on that, show.
- Loved the platonic Lollie humour.
- TESSOD. Awesome. Bring it.
- Not enough Clark. I know it's the premiere and they have to spread the story out, but still.
- Lois' vision is very interesting. And only one year.

If the Henry retcon is supposed to stick, they’d better stop talking about ‘Jimmy.’

Jimmy was how everyone referred to him, despite it being his middle name. They're not going to change that now just because he's dead.
jediknight
I'm on Clark's side with the whole Jimmy thing. The last time he turned time back to save someone, his dad died. I hated it then, and if they do it again, I'll hate it again.

The Zod thing could be awesome. They could set the season up to be Clark and the Justice League vs Zod and his army. I say could, because this is Smallville, and it wouldn't be the first time they pissed away a potentially awesome storyline. They did it last season with Clark vs Doomsday, and before that with Clark and the Justice League vs Lex's Army from 33.1.

Lois' vision of the future was pretty cool.
Last Time Lord
I really like Zod.

That future flash forward was...weird.
MMW
It was kinda boring! Allison was second in the credits, like she should be and had some good scenes
in the episode. Clark was an ass, especially to Chloe . Nois was not front and center like some said she would be, and Chloe was dead in Nois's flashback dream! Why am I not surprised.
SaveLevi
- This? Is not the way to make me start liking Chloe again.

Oh, don't sweat it. The writers know that people can't like Lois and Chloe at the same time, so it's cool.

Jimmy was how everyone referred to him, despite it being his middle name. They're not going to change that now just because he's dead.

Yes, I realize that Jimmy is what people knew the character as. The point is that if he's going to keep coming up, it just makes it all the more ridiculous that we're actually supposed to know the character as a guy named 'Henry.'
kenm
If I hadn't seen the last eight seasons, this probably would have been a good episode, and I confess myself intrigued by the Days of Future Past thing they're setting up with Lois' visions.

But I just can't get past Clark loving Lois, Lois being the tie that keeps him human. There is no reason for me to believe this. Nothing in the history of the show makes me want to believe this. The only explanation is "It's in the script".

And the retcons just keep on coming. Lois said, of Clark, "He never takes a break. He must have some vacation coming". Dude has worked for the newspaper for at most one year. That's not enough time to make a claim like that. There are jobs where you aren't allowed to take a vacation until you've worked a full year.

At the same time, they're still not committed to Lois. Corbin says, "I hear you jump to conclusions a lot" (or words to that effect). Yes! She does! Usually the wrong one, as in your case. Which is why she's a crappy reporter. The show knows she's a crappy reporter! Are we expected not to notice, when they call our attention to it? And then, in her dreams, we associate Lois and Clark having sex with post-apocalyptic neo-Nazi wasteland where Chloe's dead. Way to build a foundation for your ICONIC romance, writers!
FuzzyPink
The writers know that people can't like Lois and Chloe at the same time, so it's cool.

I liked them both just fine up until S8. In fact, I liked Chloe more. Oh how things have changed.
cbenno
Not loving Chloe in that episode either--way to go guilt trippy on Clark--not cool. Count me among those who didn't think there was enough Clark either. Overall, liked the episode--definitely felt like they were setting up the entire season so hopefully they can deliver. Episode had a pretty dark and more comic book like feel to it.
Powrhug
But I just can't get past Clark loving Lois, Lois being the tie that keeps him human. There is no reason for me to believe this. Nothing in the history of the show makes me want to believe this. The only explanation is "It's in the script".


When Jor-El said he had to go back to say goodbye, I thought "oh great, they're going to retcon the hell out of this to make it so Lois is his humanity?"

Then they showed Chloe walking toward Clark and I felt bad thinking "oh great, I jumped the gun and it's still Chloe. I should feel bad for that."

Then....I don't feel bad.
NickyinDaGroove
This whole icy Chlark thing is a real blow to the depth of the story. I don’t need romantic Chlark but to manipulate the friendship to allow for Lois to slink in just reeks of FAIL. The only truly tender, organic moment of the entire episode, IMO, was when Clark looked at Chloe for the first time. Other than that, I felt nothing about any of this. The preposterous nature of Jor-El claiming that Lois is what’s holding Clark to humanity is beyond words. So all the time that Clark was moping around, getting dick accomplished while pining for Lana was okay, but a few constipated looks between Clois and suddenly she’s the big weight on his shoulders?

What the fuck ever, show.



The beauty of good writing is that there is logic in what is done and said. Clark looks like a disloyal, shallow dick to Chloe. It's very UNSupermanly to turn your back on the person "who always believed in me" - Retcons, Lightswitches of FAIL. "

But I just can't get past Clark loving Lois, Lois being the tie that keeps him human. There is no reason for me to believe this. Nothing in the history of the show makes me want to believe this. The only explanation is "It's in the script".


The only explanation is it's Bullshit.
SaveLevi
I'm having a little trouble understanding why Chloe shouldn't be upset that her fucking husband is dead and her "best friend," whom she HAS, as she said, given up everything in her life for, won't use the ring to go back and save him. I'm not sugggesting that he's wrong to say no, but what on earth is so wrong with her requesting this? It's human. It's natural. It's the normal response to the death of a loved one. But she made Clark feel guilty, so she's the bad guy? That just doesn't not in any way compute with me. How many times in the past eight years has Clark bitched out Chloe for one thing or another? How many times has he had to come and apologize for being a bad friend? Why is it okay for Clark to dick people over, but everyone else has to fall at HIS altar?

I have to wonder if the reason that Clark won't go back and save "Jimmy" is because this is not Real!Clark. That guy is successfully buried underground, and if the faux Clark messes with the timeline, he risks undoing that. I just do NOT believe that Real!Clark would ever be so unfeeling toward Chloe. He didn't just say "no." He was straight cold.
screamin
So I gather they decided to go through with the latest and greatest character assassination of Chloe (i.e; having her demand the sacrificial death of an innocent person to bring the Junkie Formerly Known As Jimmy back to life, which the Chloe we've known for 8 years would never, IMO, do?) Pffft. Very glad I didn't watch.
Powrhug
I hear ya, SaveLevi. I agree with you in theory, although I do have to say that Chloe asking for it in the first place is fairly uncharacteristic. Chloe's battle cry has always been "the greater good" so having her ask in the first place goes against everything the character has ever said/believed.

But like I said, I agree that, if they're going to ignore all of that and have her ask, there's nothing wrong with it.
FuzzyPink
I'm not sugggesting that he's wrong to say no, but what on earth is so wrong with her requesting this?

It's not wrong for her to want it. What's wrong is for her to put the burden solely on Clark and then bitch at him when he won't do it for very good reasons. It was pretty clear to me when Chloe said "We screwed up and you have to fix it!"

If Lois could go to the future, then why didn't Chloe try to go back herself and save Jimmy when she had the ring? Why ask Clark to do it? Chloe needs to stand up and deal with her life, not expect Clark to make everything all better.

He didn't just say "no." He was straight cold.

He was cold? Quietly telling her that he can't change destiny and then reminding her that his father died because of him messing with time is cold? I agree that Clark got a little angry but that was after Chloe kept pushing it, not his immediate reaction to her request, which came across as to me a friend gently trying to let another friend down over something that is very important, but just can't be accommodated.
wingster55
then why didn't Chloe try to go back herself and save Jimmy when she had the ring? Why ask Clark to do it? Chloe needs to stand up and deal with her life, not expect Clark to make everything all better.


Because Chloe's chances of getting killed are greater than Clark's?
GoalKeeper1
Eh, I've seen better, but I've seen worse as well. It wasn't Failsday/Committed level suckage, but it doesn't hold up as well against other premieres.

The good:

Chloe as WatchTower could be interesting. She was present more than I thought she was going to be, and I really liked her scenes with Emil. It still stings that they had to ruin the WT with Chimmy and take away her lifelong dream, but it's not ISIS. Tiny step up, but a step up, nonetheless.

I liked BAG as Corben. Good casting. Loved him calling Nois out on her tendency to jump to conclusions

Shirtless Ollie (I can be just as shallow as the next gal).

Clark not looking like a total dick when he refused to save Jimmy.

Emil buying the WT gear for Chloe. Hey, if Ollie's going to self-destruct, why not put his cash to good use?

Major Zod and Tess. This plotline looks interesting.

The bad:

Way too much Nois. Could this character get any more unlikable? "You're an obnoxious jackass." Takes one to know one, you twit.

Chloe not calling Clark out on his abandoning her, and even worse, acting like knowing him was an honor. You are better than that, Chloe.

Clark's vandalism. There are better ways to let people know about what he's doing than destroying property.

Nois' dream sequence. Chloe better not die this season.
SaveLevi
What's wrong is for her to put the burden solely on Clark and then bitch at him when he won't do it for very good reasons.

I missed where she bitched at him. I heard her repeat what HE said in the finale--that CK is dead, the human side gone.

Chloe wouldn't be in any of this shit if it weren't for Clark. So should she be pissed that he won't fix it? I think that's valid. I also don't know how Chloe's supposed to go back and stop a guy Davis' size from killing Jimmy. But maybe eventually that's just what she does, and that's how she dies. I suppose the writers would find that a fitting end for her, that selfish bitch.
ragdollcat
I'm on Clark's side with the whole Jimmy thing. The last time he turned time back to save someone, his dad died. I hated it then, and if they do it again, I'll hate it again.

I'd agree with this if I didn't know that Superman turns back time when iLois dies in the future (STM). What this is telling me is that it's okay to turn back time when Clark outs himself and things go to hell; and it's okay to turn back time when he can't bear when iLois dies but he can't do it for Chloe (his best friend, confidante, the one who's been at his side; literally died to save him; and helped him save the world). Blech.

I didn't watch the episode btw.
FuzzyPink
I heard her repeat what HE said in the finale--that CK is dead, the human side gone.

But to Chloe, his "human side" is only gone because he won't do what she wants.

Chloe wouldn't be in any of this shit if it weren't for Clark. So should she be pissed that he won't fix it? I think that's valid.

Clark hasn't forced Chloe to be a part of his life. In fact, he tried to take her out of it so things like this wouldn't happen - badly, I fully admit - and that was also apparently the wrong thing for Clark to do. He can't win.

For me the bottom line is Chloe needs to accept her part of responsibility for what happened, which she isn't doing. It's all Clark's fault and none of it is hers, and if he really cared about her he'd do whatever she wanted. And he isn't, so she's lashing out immaturely. I'm glad Clark isn't taking it, because he shouldn't be. Chloe needs to grow up.
nwp01
Chloe better not die this season.


Maybe she should. Or maybe she's already somewhat dead to me already?...I feel like the Chloe I used to know is long gone-not because of this episode in particular, but many things. I would have prefered an early death rather than this character assassination..but I guess there is room for both.

In any case: the episode was not too bad. Not too good either. I don't have the passion for SV like I used to, so I'm a bit indifferent to this. It was some of the worst of what I thought could happen: alluding to Lois being the tie to humanity for Clark.

Really? After everything that has happened-REALLY? The script writers are correct though: all those years before seem like another lifetime...a separate world that we can't look back to...as such, this new world bears no resemblance to the SV I used to love.

For me the bottom line is Chloe needs to accept her part of responsibility for what happened, which she isn't doing. It's all Clark's fault and none of it is hers, and if he really cared about her he'd do whatever she wanted. And he isn't, so she's lashing out immaturely. I'm glad Clark isn't taking it, because he shouldn't be. Chloe needs to grow up.


I don't believe the scene was about not accepting responsibility, or placing blame, or that Chloe should grow up. I think that entire scene stems from her feeling of helplessness at not being able to do anything. In her opinion, the only person with the power to do anything in this case is Clark. So she asks, he says no-she is in grief and lashes out at him in her hurt. It's a natural response. Clark has lashed out in hurt many times too-as have many other characters.

Of course, it's also a way to create drama with these two.

Chloe is feeling anger, helplessness, and perhaps a good dose of self pity too. She's had a rough many years and she's had to cover feelings for many things, so I assume this is her way of beginning to deal with the pain.

I jusr don't appreciate tptb destroying or undercutting one relationship to slither another one in.
SaveLevi
FuzzyPink, I saw nothing in this episode to suggest that Chloe doesn't take responsibility for anything she did that might've contributed to Jimmy's death (which, IMO, was virtually nothing). We don't know that she hasn't been beating herself up every second since Jimmy's death. All she asked is for Clark to fix things because he's in the position to. It's MY opinion that Clark's mere presence in her life has fucked it all up, but Chloe never said tha--in fact, she said the opposite. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Powrhug
Shirtless Ollie (I can be just as shallow as the next gal).


Definitely agree and would have loved to see more of a storyline behind his angst. Oliver punishing himself by participating in cage matches is something I'd love to know more about.

Also lovin his new haircut.
SaveLevi
Does Lois know that Jimmy is dead? Did Ollie tell her?
JessicaLovejoy
Every time Nois smiles that big, idiotic "my hero" smile, I want to slice it up Joker style.

(Nois makes a bad person.)
FuzzyPink
We'll have to agree to disagree because this is just part of the neverending Chloe/Lois pissing match.

I can agree to disagree, but I don't see how Lois has anything to do with it. It seems it's our opinions on Chloe herself that's the issue, which - for me anyway - have only to do with Chloe and her actions in and of themselves.
screamin
Chloe better not die this season.


Maybe she should. Or maybe she's already somewhat dead to me already?.


So Chloe's death is foreshadowed? Bring it on, I say, the sooner the better. I got so fed up with watching this character being fed through the mincer, her life and her personality mutilated beyond recognition, that I quit watching. But it still is troubling to see here that it continues to go on. Put what's left of the character out of its misery and the last remnant of my caring about this program ceases - a consummation devoutly to be wished.
Denebola
For me the bottom line is Chloe needs to accept her part of responsibility for what happened, which she isn't doing.

But she said that she screwed up. That she and Clark both screwed up. Which they did. It's also true that Chloe has given up many things over the years for Clark, and she hasn't really asked anything of him. But I understand why he said no. I thought it was a justifiable dispute from both sides.

What I don't like is how that refusal is used as the faultline of the Chlark friendship split and the herald to the last stretch of Chloe character assassination that didn't quite stick (IMO) last season. They both made valid points. If there weren't a determined agenda by the writers to kill their friendship, this wouldn't be something that broke their bond. But, with the planned trajectory of this season, I don't doubt that their friendship will crumble under pressure of ICONIC DENSITY.
Does Lois know that Jimmy is dead? Did Ollie tell her?

Seemed like that was what Chloe was trying to tell her when she, you know, absentmindedly bailed. Chloe was about to drop the bomb when Lois herself suggested some sedatives. Awkward writing.

I'm glad Emil is back. He's got the maturity and dignity that Metropolisville needs. I hated seeing beat-up Tess all hour. Clark's new "uniform" really does look as ridiculous in action as it did in the stills. Tom looked great. Lois' hair has gotten even darker, and the bangs will have to grow on me. It was weird how Clark and Chloe had tears in their eyes for all of their scenes with each other. I don't know if it's an acting choice or scripted, but it seemed odd.

Not looking forward to Brian Austallo Meganfoxbanger next week.
akksgurl
So I took my life in my hands and watched this episode just to say I gave it a shot. I wasn't trying to shove razor sharp pokers into my eyes, but that doesn't mean the episode was good. If this was a brand new show that just happened to star all previous cast members of Smallville then maybe I'd have enjoyed it but since this is supposed to be Smallville, the fact that I recognized next to nobody made the episode suck and suck hard.

First, are they stealing from Supernatural now with the whole "apocalypse" vibe from Lois's dream? On the plus side, if that's what they're doing then maybe Dean can show up and accidentally run her over with the Metallicar. But if the world is coming to an end, why exactly are Lois and Clark having sex? Shouldn't Clark be out...I don't know...STOPPING IT?

And here's my big question about Lois's trip into the future. The legion ring given to Clark and used by Lois was supposed to be used to send Doomsday a thousand years into the future to be killed by the Legion. Yet when Lois uses it it simply sends her 1 year into the future to have future sex with Clark while the world burns down around them?? WTF?!

And since when is Lois Clark's tie to humanity? What happened to his years of worshipping Lana? There was no problem with that when he went to the fortress to begin training before. Lest we forget, the ONLY reason he's not with Lana at this very second is because she's radioactive. How does that jive with this whole "Lois is his humanity" BS they're trying to sell?

I didn't like Chloe asking Clark to save Jimmy although I understand why she did it. Although I am reading PS I Love You so maybe that's just put me in the mindset to understand it. And considering that Clark turns back time to save Lois in the movies, I just find the whole thing annoying.

The fight scene with Clark and Large Blue Eyed Girl Whose Name I Didn't Catch was cracking me up. All I could think of was Kill Bill.

Brian Austin Green looks good but John Corbin kissed Lois and is now officially DeadToMe.

So let me get this straight. Because Jimmy died, both Oliver and Clark have gone off the proverbial deep end. Why exactly? Ollie had a grand total of 3 conversations with Jimmy and Clark didn't seem to like him most of the time. Although Clark didn't seem to like Lois most of the time either and now she's suddenly the love of his life and he's unable to let go of her so I guess he liked Jimmy a lot more than he let on too. I get it! This is Opposite!Land! Anybody Clark seemed to hate he really adored and those he adored he really hates. It explains a whole lot!

Was it just my TV or did the mansion have an annoying green tint the entire time Zod and his army were in Lex's mansion? It was driving me crazy. I'm not a big fan of Zod so far mainly because I could barely understand what he was saying. It reminded me of trying to decipher what Eric Braeden on the Young and the Restless says on a daily basis.
Lantern7
Another year, another season of total mediocrity from Smallville. At this point, I think only the snark in here keeps me going on a show that should've died years ago.

I do like the idea of John Corben . . . but, natch, PS3 decide not to drag out his ultimate destiny, so I can't get too attached. Why do I feel that BAG's performance will make me miss Derek Reese?

Ditto on the Chloe character assassination. It took her four acts before turning into the grieving Widow Olsen? Please.

Damn, Lois didn't get bitch-slapped by the Legion. Instead, she's suppressing memories too painful to keep. I like that idea . . . on Fringe. Here on SV? Yeah, not so much. And natch, PS3 find a way to get her into "sexy" gear during the unauthorized cage fighting scene. Of course.

And I can't buy Clark with a dark "S" shirt, running around like Neo. Come to think of it, how can he stop a train's descent without getting anybody killed?

Dr. Lantern's advice? Take one Dollhouse immediately afterwards and call me in the morning.
Lolhat12
Does Lois know that Jimmy is dead? Did Ollie tell her?


That subject bother me also,after talking with ollie. Did anybody fill lois in yet that jimmy died, that chloe needs some family support?

The episode just dealt more on her wanting to connect with the red-blue blur.

Ollie without a shirt,yum! Just how did emil get money from ollie bank account? So he could pay for the electronic gadgets and high-tech accessories in chloe apartment?

Chloe and Emil are great together,hope to see more of them hanging out. :)
benteen
I didn't think it was bad. Clark embracing his destiny, the costume, and the whole Dark Knight/superhero vibe with Clark in the city I enjoyed very much. I could even understand why he didn't want to go back to save Jimmy...that backfired for him big time last time. Also nice to see Mr. Gaeta and his sideburns back. Cool to see BAG appear on the show after his great turn as Derek Reese on The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Have no idea where the whole Major Zod thing is going. Callum Blue does a great Zod voice though. I agree Clark and the League vs Zod and his army would make for an awesome finale but don't count on it. I predict it will be an even bigger disappointment than Clark vs Doomsday. Mark my words.

Give me a break with Lois being Clark's only ties to humanity. That role always belonged to Chloe, not Lois or Lana. Lois didn't seem to find out about Jimmy, which was very strange. She was too selfish with her Red-Blue Blur fetish to be bothered with Chloe.

Hey, Clark's battle with Krypton Ninja Chick was better than his "battle" with Doomsday. Of course, anything could top that piece of crap...
SaveLevi
Anybody Clark seemed to hate he really adored and those he adored he really hates. It explains a whole lot!

I know that this is meant in a facetious manner, but it's pretty much why I don't think that we're seeing the real Clark. Nothing, none of Clark's motivations or any of the crap we saw between Clois and Chlark, rings true. So completely OOC and random for me.

It was weird how Clark and Chloe had tears in their eyes for all of their scenes with each other.

I've noticed this before. I think it's just the chemistry between TW and AM and the history that connects their characters. It's sad that it's so squandered.

Did anybody fill lois in yet that jimmy died, that chloe needs some family company support?

It would not surprise me in the least if this is never addressed. Hell, maybe if anyone does get a chance to tell Lois, should she stop drooling over a whooshing sound with laryngitis for five minutes, they can fill her in on the death of Grulian as well.

Take one Dollhouse immediately afterwards and call me in the morning.

Certainly I need something to chase the sting. It's strange...I thought SV might read stronger without being followed by the superiority of Supernatural, but I find that I miss the buffer. At least before the suck kind of got washed away...now it just kind of hangs in the air, like a stale fart.
Denebola
Also, just had to ask, did anyone else squeal aloud "Holy SHIT ALLISON?!" at the end of next week's promo? They had Erica on the left, Tom in the middle and Allison on his right. Color me surprised. Is this like when your boyfriend is extra extra kind and attentive when he has someone on the side? Well... bravo, promo monkeys. You did a good thing.
Coconut
Why would anyone care that Chloe has problems? They never did before. All of their problems are far worse than hers. Like finding their ex-boyfriend so they can have a hero or finding the newest love of their lives. Chloe's just there to take up space in their all important lives.

Who cares if Chloe watched a man she cared about die in front of her. She's not even allowed to grieve, be angry or act irrational about it that makes her a bitch, she needs to just get over it and help Lois and Clark with their problems. Why don't they just kill Chloe and be done with it? It's not like she'd be missed by her self centered cousin and uncaring Alien best friend.

If I wasn't sick I wouldn't have even watched this crap. Maybe they should let Chloe go back in time and die in Jimmy's place since the writers like him better. Unless they really enjoy kicking Chloe around, it's hard to tell.
ztastviz
Chloe and Emil are great together,hope to see more of them hanging out. :)


Get thee behind me, Satan...

So tempted to watch... but I will resist!
DashDixon
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.

Both beautifully filmed and well acted. Even the dialogue was good.

Can't wait to see more of the season and how Lois' flashes play out. Man, the shots of the lovemaking were great.

Chloe, telling Clark that he has to go back and fix it? Not cool, maybe you shouldn't have been running around with a serial killer in the first place.

Callum Blue was fantastic. I am really looking forward to finding out who the voice belongs to. Is Alia actually Clark's aunt Alura? Tess is one bad sister.

BAG! I so missed you, I can get my TS:CC fix (at least for a couple of weeks).

The fight scenes! There were actual fight scenes, and special effects. Please let this last for the rest of the season.

Man, Tom Welling does get better with age.

Cannot wait for next week! This episode gets a strong 9/10.

Oh yeah, liked the new credits too.
Lolhat12
Did anybody fill lois in yet that jimmy died, that chloe needs some family company support?.


It would not surprise me in the least if this is never addressed. Hell, maybe if anyone does get a chance to tell Lois, should she stop drooling over a whooshing sound with laryngitis for five minutes, they can fill her in on the death of Grulian as well.


Which would be weird considering,she hang out him a lot somewhat. It be a shame, if he just became a obscure thought of jimmy who. Lois doesn't get to doesn't mourn also,because the storyline arc more focus on building the relationship of her and clark. Also deal with the consquence pending vision of doom that coming.
nwp01
Also, just had to ask, did anyone else squeal aloud "Holy SHIT ALLISON?!" at the end of next week's promo?


I for one was surprised...didn't see that in the works...not too excited that it means anything though. Indeed, at least the promo monkey included her this time.

It was weird how Clark and Chloe had tears in their eyes for all of their scenes with each other.


Tom and Allison do the heavy emotion stuff very well...I also think it stems from their offscreen relationship. I recall a few times when AM talks about how fond they are of each other and how they basically grew up together on this show. There's probably also a confort level that theu have that brings all their great acting to the forefront when they work together.

But if the world is coming to an end, why exactly are Lois and Clark having sex? Shouldn't Clark be out...I don't know...STOPPING IT?


Alas! What's really going on is that because the world is coming to an end, Clark and Lois have shed their inhibitions and decided to DO the DO! If they are going to die they might as well, right?
ragdollcat
Not cool, maybe you shouldn't have been running around with a serial killer in the first place.

She explained her actions to Jimmy in "Failsday" and Jimmy called her a hero. And she was - she sacrificed her life for Clark and the world. If anyone's at fault, it's Clark and Oliver. Why did Oliver think recruiting a drugged out ex-photographer was a good idea? Why did Clark have Jimmy take Davis to the "loft-gift"? Why not ask Impulse, Black Canary, or GA instead?
cheetahz
If I wasn't sick I wouldn't have even watched this crap. Maybe they should let Chloe go back in time and die in Jimmy's place since the writers like him better. Unless they really enjoy kicking Chloe around, it's hard to tell.

I spec this is all an AU Lois came back to that is wrong and everyone is buried in the geothermal tunnel in stasis and S9 first few epis are Bizarro world SV.

Really, imho, good writers can have Clois develop while Lois shows some familial compassion and attention to Chloe and Clark can too while saying no. Chloe suddenly a distraught widow freak is OOC. Saying Lois is so traumatized by her vision but can run about flirting with another reporter to investigate the RBB as an excuse is no excuse to me. But it sounds AWESOME and ICONIC and can't WAIT for the next show! Woo.
.... forgot haven't even seen this one and reading opinions doesn't actually get me all that excited. Sorry for the false enthusiasm.

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As someone who hasn't seen it, which is it? Clark was cold and meanie unBFF to Chloe or he was pained and crying with her while saying no? The reviews are so 180 and subjective there's no making a choice to watch this screwed up show based upon them it seems.
PLNunn
Okay, I get that Lois has some hand to hand fighting skills having grown up around GI’s, but not the sort that she wouldn’t have gotten her ass handed to her by the Kryptonian “Ninja Girl” that followed her back in time. Unless Ninja Girl was only playing with her in her quest to draw out Clark. Yeah, that makes more sense than Lois holding her own in a fair fight with Kryptonian.

I liked Clark’s black on black look. He looked good all around. The disheveled bangs were very nice.

I understand Chloe’s frustration with Clark. She’s been dealing with Jimmy’s death and Lois’ disappearance all on her own for three weeks with no sign of him. She’s overwhelmed. Doesn’t make her right, demanding he alter time to bring back the dead when she knows it might bring the whammy down on someone else, but it’s a human reaction. Jimmy’s dead and she’s grieving and she’s blaming herself for it. Clark might not have taken Davis down when he had the chance but she was the one that drew Davis into her orbit and regardless of noble intentions, she was the one who hid him, went on the lamb with him and his obsession with her got Jimmy killed. Doesn’t she’s responsible, but she’s got to be feeling all sorts of guilt and who else can she turn to but Clark. When he denies her, she lashes out and says something hurtful. Perfectly human reaction.

Clark made a hard choice in denying her. I think it hurt him, and he’s blaming himself just as much as she is, probably more, because of his habit of shouldering the blame for pretty much ‘everything’. But it was the right call. He knew the consequences and in ‘Smallville mythology’, if you go back and alter destiny by saving a life that was supposed to be cut short, someone else takes up the slack. Someone close to him. What if he did go and save Jimmy and Chloe paid for it? Or his mom? Or anyone? He can’t take that risk. And with his power he’s got to be able to make the rational call instead of the emotional one. That’s what Jor-el is trying to instill in him.

What she said to him, she said out of frustration and grief. I don’t think it’s the death knell of their friendship, its just a foothill. Everybody has them and it makes for a more realistic friendship when they work it out.
SouthernDiva
Lawd have mercy, What the Hell happened to the characters of Chloe Sullivan & Clark Kent?

Chloe was completely out of character, spouting one of the most WTF lines ever of "I was lucky to be a part of your life, & you need to move on." Packing a gun. I don't believe even Allison Mack's talent can save this crap. What a shitty way to treat the heroine you helped create PS.

Clark becomes a jerk who turns his back on an 8 year friendship, but his humanity is suddenly now the unethical Bimbo?
Lois remains the same, still ridiculously unlikable. It's distracting to watch when she talks, her mouth moves but her face does not.

What a steaming pile of retcon shit this was. If this is indicative of Season 9, I will not be wasting my time.
gidley
Random WTF thoughts:

First, there were 13 people with some form of producer credit at the beginning of the show. Does it really take that many people to produce this stuff?? How much does all of that cost?

Second, I can't believe Chloe fell for the old "I think I need a sedative" routine. I really wish tptb would have had Chloe tell Lois about what happened with Davis and Jimmy so that the cousins could have a real family moment. ED can play that type of scene fairly well.

Third, Chloe and Emil can't find Ollie because he ditched his cell phone and is out of touch, and yet Lois finds him within 24 hours of her return???

Forth, Clark and Chloe's first meeting was so beautifully painful. She, always knowing that he would eventually leave her behind when he went off to fulfill his destiny; he, realizing that the man she loved was killed by the man she was trying to save and would need the support of her best friend so he would have to put off that destiny--oh wait, the reason he puts it off isn't because of his best friend--he can leave her to deal with her pain alone--no, it's Lois he can't leave.

Fifth, Clark and Chloe's last scene together was so beautifully painful. She hasn't been able to reach him for three weeks, but now that he is there she know she had better ask for what she wants before he goes off the grid again. She is about to be left with nothing but the warm memories of how she has been able to have an impact on the world by playing his sidekick. I doubt that will keep her warm at night. I understand why Clark can't bring Jimmy back, and I wouldn't really want for that to happen, but I understand why Chloe asked. It just shows that his training is starting to pay off--he is able to cut himself off from the people he cares about and be objective. If he can do that to his best friend, he should be able to do that to everyone because shouldn't being able to refuse your closest friend be the final test?

Sixth, What has Chloe really lost? Clear back in season 4 (Devoted) Chloe told Clark she still had feelings for him and he told her he didn't. He was honest and the subject was never really discussed between them again until it was all finished in "Committed" when she told him she no longer had those feelings. Chloe could have drifted out of his life back in season 4, but then, thanks to Alicia she learns his secret. Now she is in on the greatest secret on Earth, and as soon as he finds out that she knows she gets to be the one that he confides in--even more so than the girl he loves. She even says that she wouldn't trade the impact that she has been able to have on the world by being in his inner circle for anything in "Abyss". At any point over the last few years she could have told him she was done, and I don't think anyone would have blamed her--they have been through the end of the world more times than I can count. She stayed because she was getting some personal satisfaction out of it. The problem is she stayed in too long and got burned--badly. That was a chance she took. I don't think she can blame Clark if she made sacrifices for him; it was her choice. So, does Clark really owe her something as monumental as going back and changing time? After all when he did it last year she was the one to remind him that there are always consequences to using the Legion ring.

I think I had better stop. I am thinking about all of this way too much!
Fat Elvis 007
Am I completely stoned, or was that halfway decent?
SouthernDiva
She stayed because she was getting some personal satisfaction out of it.


Chloe stayed because she loves Clark & she believed in Truth & Justice. As she told Jor-El "I love your son" & Clark would have died without her help more than once. She was infected by Brainiac trying to help him, she's sacrificed her own life to protect him.

Those are not the actions of someone who's doing it for themselves.
benteen
BTW, nice touch with the date of the episode being today's date, September 25th.
FuzzyPink
Yeah, that makes more sense than Lois holding her own in a fair fight with Kryptonian.

Alia had blue kryptonite, which makes her powerless. Why? No clue. But that's how she hurt Clark in the barn fight, too.

Third, Chloe and Emil can't find Ollie because he ditched his cell phone and is out of touch, and yet Lois finds him within 24 hours of her return???

I didn't get the impression Emil was looking. He seemed to have simply accepted that Oliver and the others didn't want to be found and he let that be. Chloe also didn't seem to do much other than call him.
ztastviz
The problem is she stayed in too long and got burned--badly. That was a chance she took. I don't think she can blame Clark if she made sacrifices for him; it was her choice.


I don't think she minds the sacrifices she made for him, I think it's the way their relationship ended that hurts so much. She expected to get hurt physically, even die, for Clark. It never occurred to her the last sacrifice she'd make for him would be giving up their friendship so abruptly. I think she would have preferred being killed going by the way Allison Mack played their last scene in Savior.

Thank god for edits. I never could have gotten through Savior just to watch Chloe's scenes if I had to endure the Clark I saw in their scenes together. If he was half the douche bag... Uhg.

Chloe and Emil together are Squee!

I do hope Lois came off looking smarter during the rest of Savior than she did in her scene with Chloe, because she came off real dumb at the hospital. Hello, Lo? You might want to ask a lucid person how you ended up on a train. Or ask if you have internal injuries from the crash. Or, you know, if it's almost 12:00 pm or 12:00 am because you were unconscious there for a while.
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