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The celebrities must write, produce, and edit a viral video; Trump makes a surprising decision in the boardroom.
Memento Mori
Two complete BS firings.

Khloe was cracking me up the entire episode with her confusion over the god awful video Clint had come up with. Am sorta sad to see her go.
whammo
WTF? The Hairpiece is completely off his meds.

Thought Jesse's video was great, though the crap at the end was an obvious mistake. My respect for Melissa grew exponentially (or maybe came into being for the first time) throughout the task. Still, having solicited T to come into the Lion's Den with her, she should have fallen on her sword when she saw what was happening, especially since she'd said that was her intention from the outset if they didn't win. Never understood Hairpiece's whole "If you put yourself up for consideration, I automatically fire you" thing -- seems like our economy might be alot better off if CEO's had less of the "duck and cover" mentality The Hair seems to advocate.

I have hated Khloe since I first laid eyes on her. However, her firing was the most exploitative, high-handed, self-righteous, pompous piece of crap I've ever seen.

Way to bring a good season crashing down on itself.
spec
The Donald (you dumb-fuck) got this one wrong! His rant on Khloe was uncalled for. Firing Tionne was stupid yet I understand since he pulled this shit before. She brought a lot to the show and wasn't a raving a-hole like some others. He should have gotten rid of Melissa and her plastic face. Clint should have been sent packing. He's an arrogant ass. Loved Joan's comments, saying she never wants to see him [Clint] again and is going to get rid of his CD's. Go Joan!
CRFTony
So Donald basically says "I don't care how you perform on tasks. I don't care whether you are any good whatsoever at 'The Apprentice'. I just care about whether you can bring drama to the show." So I'll keep the two people who completely screwed the pooch and created horrendous viral videos and fire two people who actually won a challenge when they had the chance to be Project Manager.

What a farce.
tonypitt
That was bizarre. I disagreed with the Bradford firing at the time, and I disagree with the variation on it here. And the other firing was out of left field as well. Those may be the two stangest firings in the history of the Appprentice.
turn2theriiight
So Michael Scott went from Dunder Mifflin to All Detergent?

Hey, at least Clint didn't go with his first concept, a goatsee joke...

...Speaking of Pez Hilton...

Joan Rivers is why I keep watching. So many good one-liners, what a hoot!

In a completely different way I'm very impressed with how Tionne (sp?) comports herself. Can't put my finger on exactly why, but I find her demeanor very appealing.

OMG, Trump, you are the phoniest bullshitting-est dumbfuck ever. What a bullshit copout to fire Tionne. Such a total phony dickhead. Way to stick your head up your own ass, Trump.

And then another bogus trumped up excuse for firing. So your clients told you they hated an ad about masturbation, and then you spend 15 minutes jacking off in your boardroom. Once Joan is gone, I'll be completely done with this farce of a show.
natureboy
That was ridiculous. And not a great ep overall, either.
keie3
I probably shouldn't be but I'm so pissed of right now it's not funny! He honestly didn't know about the DUI? Whatever....

She should have been judeged on the task. Not something that happened before she was even on the show. I would also like to point out I don't even really like Khloe, I just think that was wrong.

Also I think the surprise guest is Tom Green. That's just what I thought when he sat down.
55jive
Trashy, cheating trump is a bigot and should be shot! oh! I hope his daughter Tiffany marries someone of color!
atyleung
Donald Trump got this so wrong, I don't even have words to describe how wrong it was.

Why even have the teams do the task if he is going to fire people for random reasons?
superpole2000
I like what Trump did here. He made an example out of Khloe and seemed to purposely keep two of the more dramatic players in the game at the expense of two relatively invisible contestants. I don't care if it was unjustified within the context of the game, punishing a drunk driver will always be okay with me...assuming being fired from this show is punishment.

Both videos were horrendous. Clint's video was especially awful, and I couldn't believe anyone thought that was a good idea. I am happy the All reps voted both videos as losers.
ottoDbusdriver
That boardroom was just embarrassing, and not because of the viral videos.
Trump and his sanctimonious morality -- must be the only way to drive companies/casinos into the ground and bilk investors of their millions.
SpencersMommy
Well, that sucked! Clint phucked up the task from start to finish, didn't include any members of his team in his decisions or execution, insulted the hell out of the All geeks, and Khloe was fired because of a DUI that Trump didn't know anything about? Because she missed part of a task? Just like Joan has twice, like Kevin did, like Hershel did, etc?

And Tionne got the boot simply because she volunteered to support her PM. Because she demonstrated to Trump that she hadn't watch his previous seasons. Nothing to do with her performance.

Trump is playing to keep his "stars" and nothing else. He should have fired Dennis weeks ago, but it took all the other players pointing out his lack of performance to force Trump's hand. This season sucks and the suckiest person on the show is Trump.
PRgal
Why didn't we hear any post-firing commentary from Tionne?
Courante
I also thought that the firings were a bit odd. I thought that Clint and Melissa should have been fired since they were the project managers. On the other hand, Melissa did do a good job managing her team even if the project itself turned out bad. Still, both of them should have been fired, especially Clint, who just was not capable of working with or leading his team.

When I heard that Perez Hilton liked team Athena's, I thought that they were going to win, but I guess his opinion did not go far enough in the long run.
Secret
It's not like I have taken this show seriously in its "Celebrity" version, but come ON, Trump.

It's so very clear that IF the firings were remotely based on performance, then only Melissa and Clint deserved to go home tonight. Unfortunately, both of them were spared for the most RIDICULOUS reasons Trump could pull out of his ass.

Tionne's firing was ridiculous. Khloe's was even more random. I'm not saying that DUIs should be applauded, but again, WTF? What does her DUI conviction have to do with the task??

In both cases Trump was basically sending the message - if you're honest and upstanding and truthful with me, then I will punish you for it. Absolutely insane.
natureboy
Also, this is the second time we've had PM's "unable to deal with the creative process" (last was Tom with Scott). Course, Tom got smoked for it.
DockterJ
Well, now wasn't that a wasted first hour and 45 minutes? Neither firing had the ANYTHING to do with the task. Both project managers survived, when both should have been fired. Honestly, before this show I didn't know who either of the firees were. But I really felt bad for both of them. And Tionne wasn't really the same as Bradford. He was arrogant about it. Tionne was just supporting Melissa. Melissa should've insisted on being fired instead. Not that it would've mattered to Trump. She just shoulda done it. I don't necessarily like Khloe, however, DUI wasn't a reason to be fired. Of course that sets up fireworks between Clint and Joan later on. I'm just real disappointed. . .
KatoKnox
Trump is the worst part of his own show. That's it. I'm done with this show.
Fleegle44
Wow.

On the one hand, Trump did what needed to be done and started culling the herd of the more useless members. Both Khloe and Tionne would have been gone in a second if they had lost their challenges, but they didn't. But it's kind of offensive and ridiculous for him to make up BS reasons to fire them. At the very least, fire Khloe because she thought the video was dumb, but refused to confront Clint in person, which shows she's not ready for "leadership".

I'm not sure who I would have fired, other than Clint. I know there's a lot of Melissa-hate on this board, but I've always kind of liked her, and her video was kind of funny. (Not brilliant, but well-enough done). I do think the All executives were odd -- they want to be wholesome/wholesome, and then ask for viral video, and then get all "shock-and-horror, there's something unseemly here". I'm less inclined to buy All now. As a mother of a certain age myself, I'm kind of offended that they think I don't know funny, and I can only "get" things that have puppies, kittens, and toddlers in them.
CRFTony
He should have fired Dennis weeks ago, but it took all the other players pointing out his lack of performance to force Trump's hand.


Yes, Trump happily kept Dennis (who had his own DUI conviction in the past) around for as long as humanly possible. Trump is so transparent you can almost see through him.
lessa2010
Didn't really pay that much attention to the whole episode except for two things.

1) What the hell is their obsession with midgets/little people?

2) If you hate DUI drivers so much why the hell did you cast her in the first place?

What I saw of the ads was horrendous.
Memento Mori
I like what Trump did here. He made an example out of Khloe and seemed to purposely keep two of the more dramatic players in the game at the expense of two relatively invisible contestants. I don't care if it was unjustified within the context of the game, punishing a drunk driver will always be okay with me...assuming being fired from this show is punishment.


Then why do the tasks if he is just going to fire people for personal reasons? What's the point? He should just declare whoever he likes best the winner and save us all some time.
ciaobellame
Trump is so skeevy. I hated the part when he said that he wanted that model-actress to walk back and forth in her lingerie in front of him. UGH!
casey22
I have watched this show from the beginning and that was the most fucked up firing I have ever seen. I thought I was watching an April fools joke. Clint Black is the resident asshole left and he gets to stay after that performance? Whoa. Insane. Joan Rivers needs to give Donald and Clint a beatdown. Woman hating sexist pigs.
Botswana
Donald Trump is an ass! Yes driving under the influence is awful, but Chloe is taking responsibility for it.

This reminds me of the task a few seasons back when they were asked to do the commercial for body wash. One team did a marathon setting & had the person using it on their face & wiping it off instead of washing it off. The other had a bizarre theme involving cucumbers. Both teams lost, but only one person ended up getting fired. Why were two people fired in this instance? If Chloe hadn't been brought back in, would she still have fired?
ElanVital
I can see his reason for firing Khloe. It reflects poorly on her decision making ability and her being responsible, so get rid of her. I didn't get the other one at all. You'd think he would find some kind of loyalty to the team to be praiseworthy, not something to be fired over.
TVGuy88
What the HELL was that? Two totally bizarre firings, Tionne's especially made zero sense but Trump's DUI rant struck me as odd too. No one on the show knew that?

and both the videos sucked, but I outright hated Kotu's. I don't know what Clint was thinking.
chandapanda
That episode made no sense to me. The All people did not have a clear grasp of what a viral video is, or what they wanted, and I am a female in their demographic, and I thought the one with Jesse and the midgets was hilarious. Those guys with Jesse were hilarious, I think they deserve their own show.

I think Trump didn't fire Melissa because he was afraid he'd lose Joan.

I haven't been this annoyed with a firing since Tom Green, who I still think was fired before he should have been. And this week Clint showed that his toolishness from the first couple of weeks were not "one-off" situations.

Herschel cracked me up this episode, though. All of his WTF? moments were priceless.
mooncreek
Although it may be true that both teams failed and two should have gotten fired, sincerely, Trump, fuck you regarding those firings!

If you are going to invite Khloe on the show, do your fucking research. Your staff lied to you about her background so she didn't deserve to get fired for that reason. This DUI was basically common knowledge. She basically sucked on her own anyway (other than when she was PM) so it's only the reason she was fired that was terrible. Plus, I guess he could ignore all of Dennis' troubles with the law, even though he has never admitted to doing anything wrong.

If I remember the Bradford firing correctly, those were totally different circumstances from what was going on here. It is telling that there was no exit interview from Tionne. Then again, I would say that Melissa shouldn't have gotten fired if that was the other option. It should have been Khloe and Clint, since Trump never did claim before the boardroom that he'd fire one from each team.

Athena's was a failure only because a particular person didn't like it. Most of the people who saw the video (including people that were in the demographic!) enjoyed it. And, yes, there are quite a few woman in that demographic who find Jesse James sex-ay!

Kotu's was a spectacular failure and Clint is a bullheaded fool who now has to deal with two very angry Riverses.

I suppose it was smart of Clint to not bring Joan in the boardroom, if he was using the Claudia model, but he believed he was a dead duck. I can't imagine his wife being too thrilled to see this episode.

Lastly, I loved that Junior got a dig in about Melissa being obnoxious.
DockterJ
Just a thought - you reckon Joan's quote "Clint is a snake" was after this task? 'Cuz until tonight I didn't see it.
tjames
I would've bought him firing Natalie, because of the way she reacted during the screening of Athena's video, or Clint, because what the All people didn't like was totally on him... but firing Khloe, that was just unnecessarily humiliating. Especially coming after Trump established that Clint's sold a ton of records, and Natalie's really in demand on the golf circuit, then he turned to Khloe and basically told her she was nothing but a DUI.
whammo
I can see his reason for firing Khloe. It reflects poorly on her decision making ability and her being responsible, so get rid of her.


In that case, shouldn't the Hairpiece fire himself for casting Dennis?
Bryce Smith
Tionne getting fired for loyalty reasons was pure BS. Especially since Tammy was actually fired in season one for being disloyal.
mumbles
What a trainwreck. To the limited defense of both teams - I don't know WHAT would have worked for the two straight-laced corporate typess judging these videos. Most viral videos are edgy and a little risque. The only route I think would have worked would be something icky-cute, like puppies or kitties and toddlers doing big and mighty things (and not the scatalogical type of big and mighty things, except that CERTAINLY would go viral.)

It reminds me of a challenge a few seasons ago involving a commercial for body wash. Both commercials were so bad that Trump had to placate the sponsor and appear in the ad.

And the firings were lame. Khloe's DUI was known at least since November 2007 (according to wikipedia.) Trump had to have known it.

The only bright moment was the marginalization of Perez Hilton.
ElanVital
DokterJ, no, Joan made the comment weeks ago as they watched the drama in the war room from their suite because the girls had won.

Could the two sour pusses from All be any more dour? Get a funny bone or something. Geeze, they were ridiculous.
shellyac
Wow this episode reminds me why I lost interest in this show. In a way I sorta get Tionne's firing but if I remember correctly Bradford's big mistake was being willing to give up his immunity.

I call BS on Khole's firing because there is no way that he will let someone on the show without knowing about their past or why they are "famous". I mean that whole family's claim to fame doesn't come from the best of actions.

After such a great start to the show, Trump really dropped the ball on this one. It's like he doesn't give a f**K and I'm beginning to wonder why should I.
redbirds
Dennis Rodman Busted for Domestic Violence
Trace Adkins Gets DUI

Hypocrisy


He doesn't care if they have a record, he just didn't like that Khole had to leave for court.
Snark Shark
Trump just proved himself a TOTAL ass.

First he invokes the spectre of a contestant even big fans of the show BARELY remember, and fires Tionne for the same lame reason. Tionne, who was hard working, loyal, and did nothing wrong. Who probably wasn't aware of any kind of "loyalty penalty". Meanwhile, Melissa continues to be bossy and pretend to be something she's not. True, her teammates wouldn't badmouth her, even complimented her, but THEY collectively were responsible for the relatively good work far more than Melissa. Annie with ideas (even if irritatingly delivered), Jesse with being good natured, Tionne and Brande for being non-drama queens and hard workers, etc. The buck SHOULD have stopped with Melissa, and would have if Trump wasn't TOTALLY doing this to steer the competition.

Then he does something in a way even WORSE--he fires someone for something truly terrible, true, but something TOTALLY outside the task. Sending the message that the task performance matters less than Public Relations and Moralizing. Khloe's DUI is AWFUL. Skipping out on classes for it is no great thing either. She deserves heat in the press and other consequences. Even highlighting it on this show isn't a bad idea. But Trump could have simply said he now had reservations about her and ALMOST fired her. Following through and leaving Clint, who did an AWFUL job as a P.M. is a crock.

Rrrrrrrr! Why do we EVER hope for better?

And did anyone else notice Melissa ONCE MORE being a total two-face with her huge example of POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACKNESS? Going on about how Annie always wants to act like she's responsible for things? Have you watched these tapes back yet Melissa and seen yourself? And THEN when Junior makes that comment asking Melissa if she might not be a little abrasive and she tells him she resents his comment? Being THAT super-defensive sends its OWN kind of message about someone.
ElanVital
In that case, shouldn't the Hairpiece fire himself for casting Dennis?


Yes! Trump is a hypocrite and his beliefs change with the wind. He gave Dennis too much credit and too many chances. I think if he knows someone outside the boardroom, he's just too soft with them.
Botswana
Trump is so skeevy. I hated the part when he said that he wanted that model-actress to walk back and forth in her lingerie in front of him. UGH!


When he said that, for some reason I was reminded of the movie Crazy People, with the ad for the sports car with the beautiful woman & the caption reading "For men who wants hand-jobs from women they hardly know."
Snark Shark
Funniest part of this lameness?

ALL going ahead and hiring Joan to do their viral spots anyway. And then that leech Melissa being dragged along (and we KNOW not for her fictional "fifteen years of kind-of-sort-of pretending to produce Red Carpet specials that other people actually produced"). Obviously Joan insisted, as always.
natureboy
Could the two sour pusses from All be any more dour? Get a funny bone or something. Geeze, they were ridiculous.


Heh, I have a feeling the boss of All might have a boardroom session on Monday, lol.
bagatelle1
I think Trump didn't fire Melissa because he was afraid he'd lose Joan.

I've said this from Day 1 -- Joan must have something in her contract that prevents Trump from firing Melissa too soon. There is no other reason that she, as the PM, didn't get fired. Melissa herself said that everyone on her team did a great job.
portabella
I agree the two All execs were dry.

Kotu – I’m no prude, but really didn’t like the sexual double entendre/innuendo. I don’t see how it would help sell detergent.

Athena – the video was kinda cute but would have been better by cutting of the last few seconds. Midgets cussing and popping out of a dryer . . . not good.

I thought Clint would go; Khloe was a surprise. Wasn’t sure about other team, but Trump has a real thing about people volunteering to go to the boardroom/get fired. Felt bad for Tionne, though.
Grannie
We have a popularity contest this season and the least significant contestants will be culled each week. Especially, sheep who will not stand up for themselves. The most aggressive players like Melissa are not going to volunteer themselves for elimination and the sheep will walk the plank.


Joan straight up said she is only participating because her daughter is involved or in other words, in order to get her daughter some work. If Melissa gets eliminated then Joan will increase her away days so Trump is going to hold off.
protanto
Why didn't we hear any post-firing commentary from Tionne?


We have heard it, but not in a taxi. Right before entering the elevator she said something about that's how she was all her life.

IMO, her firing was completely unjustified. I thought the "never volunteer" is a complete BS. Sometimes sh*t happens in the real world - projects do not go the way they were planned or final products do not live to be a winner or even be. This does not mean that we have to start throwing each other under a bus. Or does it?

Yes driving under the influence is awful, but Chloe is taking responsibility for it.


Yes, exactly. Besides, what does it have to do with this task? Letting Chloe go was a totally off-the-wall decision - I think Chloe would have won had she taken Trump to court.
SpencersMommy
I don't think I've ever intentionally bought All detergent unless it was deeply discounted, but I'll make sure to avoid it's purchase from now on. What the hell did they think a viral video was about?

Clint's entire concept was fucked up. First, the "small load, did it by hand" joke is older than Trump's hair plugs. Second, his idea was basically "you don't need the detergent at all because I can do it by hand"! Finally, was he implying that he could use All as lube while self-pleasuring with Trump's book as inspiration?

Athena shouldn't have even been in the board room since their video was far better than KOTU's as evidenced by Hilton's comments and the entire group's laughter. Trump just wanted a reason to get rid of two female winning PM's in order to keep Clint, the clear loser on the task, and Joan's only reason for staying on the show, her daughter.

Trump is such a loser! Irrational, unpredictable, using personal feelings to make business decisions, and an all-around douchebag.
Arkay
I am totally happy to see Khloe gone, because she brought nothing and is nothing and no one should be rewarded for treating DUI classes as an inconvenience. I know it has nothing to do with the task but I don't care, since from what I read she celebrated her release from 2 hours in prison by going out partying again. But there was still something odd about it because it's hard to figure out why Trump first got upset about it now and not earlier. Maybe post-Dennis he just didn't want to deal with it.
On the other hand, it seems clear to me that what irritated DT about Tionne is that she more or less confessed that she hadn't watched the previous seasons of Apprentice. If he had said "Remember Bradford?" and she quoted chapter and verse about him, he might have just given her a warning.
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