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Both teams are charged with producing a live event launching ACN's new video phone to hundreds of sales reps. A heated exchange almost comes to blows before the task has even begun, ending with one celebrity walking away from the team. On the other side a previous engagement sends a vital celebrity out of town and their delayed return puts their team in jeopardy. Both project managers are accused of misusing their team members' talents. An exciting live event ends with one team on top, and in the board room Donald Trump sends another celebrity packing.


Snark Shark
Why are we going to be forced to care about Dennis' bad habits and addictions? Geez. Is this "Celebrity Rehab"?

In other news, Claudia may have been a crappy team leader, but her impressions of Melissa, and her comments about Melissa's frozen plastic face and Mommy reliance were HILARIOUS.

Also, Melissa invoking the Red Carpet specials as her "experience" is hilarious too. She and Joan were "executive producers" because they sold themselves as a package. Are we supposed to believe that Melissa was doing all the production grunt work? Pu-lease.
philmphile
WTF was up with Dennis and his outburst with Clint? Was it just the booze? Or was it some clever strategy?
Walk off/get kicked off the job then, if they win, you didn't have to exert any effort. If they lose, blame the
project manager for not using you.

Then Clint gives his shet-up-and-follow-the-leader-no-matter-what speech, then complains about Brian throughout the show.

And what was up with Jesse's "Tyrone" comment? He couldn't say "Tad" or "Troy"?

Claudia executed poor strategy to throw Melissa under the bus. Khloe ddn't do any work, so she had an easy choice.
Then the other women defended Melissa.
lynettefl
Claudia is bitchy, but I loved her snide "Congratulations" response to Melissa's declaration that she had produced red carpet shows over the last twelve years.

I thought that Athena's presentation was better than Kotu's presentation. Kotu's presentation barely focused on the phone, although I agree that the army officer video was great.
Fellaway
Yes, Jesse, yes, I'm sure if Joan Rivers had called up West Point and asked to visit, they'd've told that "chick" no.

Regardless of whether he's a "snake" or not, I think Clint Black has done an excellent job the last couple weeks showing he's a team player.

Claudia, if you'd like to see a snake, look in the mirror. Wow. She's got a snap judgement for everyone - none of them good - and feels free to share 'em! And, while I'm by no means a Melissa Rivers fan, everything Claudia accused her of - sarcastic humor, talking over people, being obnoxious, personal dislike overriding objectivity - are qualities Claudia owns herself.

It's been mentioned about Rodman and Clint Black wearing their hats in the BR, so... Tionne, it would've been nice to see your eyes!

Whoever on the men's team made the catfight noise as the guys left the BR, please enter the 21st century. Kthnxbye.

For the record, a "hero" is not someone who calls up a rich person or organization to arrange a private plane for another rich person. And on that note, at the risk of being thought classist, it's difficult to feel sympathy for Joan's crankiness as she hauled her tired butt out of said private plane and into her stretch limousine.

As to the presentations, the women's was cheesy, hokey, and amateurish, and there's no disputing that the men's got the audience members up out of their seats and excited. I agree with Melissa that the BMcN singing bit wasn't effective at selling the phone, but that bit had already been accomplished with the soldier, and very effecitvely at evoking the desired emotion with that, too. I doubted Jesse on that idea, but they made it work, and the singing and dancing just kept the excitement level high.

Whoever said last week that the first woman fired would get nothing but flattery from TD before "You're fired." while Tom Green got nothing but disrespect, sure did call it!
Snark Shark
I loved her snide "Congratulations" response to Melissa's declaration that she had produced red carpet shows over the last twelve years.

That was a stand up and cheer moment for me. Claudia is obviously a Class A bitch, but her mockery of Melissa and her many attributes worthy of scorn was hilarious.

I thought that Athena's presentation was better than Kotu's presentation. Kotu's presentation barely focused on the phone, although I agree that the army officer video was great.

Honestly, both presentations had a truck load of problems. The person who said that what was needed was Joan stapled onto the men's presentation was correct. Brian singing got people "partying", but yeah. What did it have to do with the phone?

Yes, Jesse, yes, I'm sure if Joan Rivers had called up West Point and asked to visit, they'd've told that "chick" no.

Jesse put on his dunce cap there. West Point is open to the public. ANYONE can walk in the front gates and snag a cadet. And he called it "a military base". REALLY? Oh come on.
bagatelle1
Also, Melissa invoking the Red Carpet specials as her "experience" is hilarious too. She and Joan were "executive producers" because they sold themselves as a package. Are we supposed to believe that Melissa was doing all the production grunt work? Pu-lease.

Instead of saying "congratulations" I expected her say something to the effect that her mother probably was responsible for any success she may have had with those productions.
kamaiina
Who was 'fired'?
Fellaway
Who was 'fired'?


The women's team lost, and Claudia, the PM, was fired.
Snark Shark
So is Joan going to be absent for the first half of EVERY challenge?
kanona29
Did Melissa really turn to her mother, Joan Rivers, and say "will you jump in please, Mother.." when Claudia was giving her critique of Melissa?

Seriously Melissa, fight your own battles....Melissa is easily unlikable on this show. I was excited about seeing her and Joan on the show...Now, not so much. I still love me some Joan though.


I thought the women's team should have won....The men's team was basically a concert. If I hadn't been watching the whole 2 hour show, I wouldn't have been clear as to what their presentation was really about...
natureboy
I think going last in this one was a big advantage (see also AI)... maybe not as big a difference as in the final vote tallies though.
bigmomma01
Since this was a product launch, there was no need to impress the people in the audience with what the phone can do. They already know what the phone can do, they are part of the company that makes it. The idea of a launch is to kick off the product with a bang, and the men's team did that. They had the audience clapping along and standing and chanting the company name. I'm kind of sorry to see Claudia go, but it was the right call.
bagatelle1
Anyone else think that Trump has a crush on the Shannon Tweed lookalike?

The women are going about their tasks wearing the longest false eyelashes I have ever seen. No wonder Khloe was tired, she couldn't keep her eyes open under the weight of them.
Snark Shark
You know, Melissa really need to get on the ball and complain to IMDB. Because they don't have even a SINGLE producer credit listed for her. Not a sausage.

For example, here's the "Full cast and crew" page for "Joan & Melissa: Live at the Academy Awards (2007)"--the last time the terrible twosome were given the job.

Cast (in alphabetical order)

Joan Rivers ... Herself
Melissa Rivers ... Herself

Produced by
Eddie Delbridge .... executive producer
Philip Gurin .... executive producer
Steven Jensen .... executive producer
Brad Wollack .... producer

Makeup Department
Brant Mayfield .... hair stylist: Melissa Rivers
Joachim Ortiz .... makeup department head

Other crew
Tricia Daniels .... talent executive

Where are you Melissa, other than in the "Cast"? (also, why do you get your OWN hair stylist? Is it because Joan only has a wig?) Is your name secretly "Eddie" or "Steven" or "Brad" or "Philip"? Or could those (gasp!) be other people doing the job you just lied to the American public about and claimed to be doing yourself? Because FAR BE IT for Melissa Rivers to claim credit for something she DIDN'T do! Nope! She'd NEVER do that, right?
pucca
I don't care that IMDB doesn't list if she produced or not. It doesn't matter because in the end Melissa was the only one able to organize together a presentation. It wasn't fabulous but it was more than what anyone else was doing. I don't like Melissa either, but credit should be given to her. She did take the task into her own hand and ran the rehearsal and presentation.
bagatelle1
So is Joan going to be absent for the first half of EVERY challenge?

It seems that way, doesn't it? Joan is an extremely busy woman, I wonder if she is on this show just to get her daughter some network face time.
Locke081
I'm not feeling this season at all. I'm glad the men didn't get trounced again, but I liked Claudia okay and thought Melissa deserved to go for her drama and constant interrupting. I remember when Melissa tried to take credit for Claudia's idea a few eps back, and figured she'd get the obnoxious edit this season, but she really was disruptive during brainstorming.

Not as disruptive as Rodman, though. That guy's not even enjoyable to watch in this setting -- Apprentice is starting to feel like Jerry Springer.

Trump's GOT the footage and knows the deal; he's purposefully keeping the obnoxious troublemaking bigmouths. Sure, he's always done that to some degree, but with celebrities, and this season particularly, it's out of control.
protanto
In other news, Claudia may have been a crappy team leader, but her impressions of Melissa, and her comments about Melissa's frozen plastic face and Mommy reliance were HILARIOUS.


I thought it was pathetic and also somewhat spoilerish. As soon as I heard Claudia making fun of Melissa I started suspecting she'd be fired.
She is a gorgeous lady, but she was next to a "0" as a pm today. I thought DT made the right choice.
masked_spangler
Yes, she did say 'Jump in, Mother' to Joan, and the show even helpfully subtitled it for us so we couldn't miss it. Wit that said, she *was* the only one who actually got stuff done, and I could see how all the other 'strong' women like Annie and Ivanka and people like that would totally back the woman who got stuff done---even if she had to be pushy---over the wimp who just whined that the other woman didn't like her. Claudia so deserved to be fired (she pretty much admitted she only brought in Melissa because she doesn't like her) and Melissa did do an effective job. But the 'Jump in, Mother' cost her the Awesome Points. 'Jump in, Mother' Really? From a grown adult woman? On a show like this? To *reinforce* her argument? Um, no. Grow a pair, sweetie, and jump in yourself.
mooncreek
while I'm by no means a Melissa Rivers fan, everything Claudia accused her of - sarcastic humor, talking over people, being obnoxious, personal dislike overriding objectivity - are qualities Claudia owns herself.

Yeah, that was what I kept thinking. Sure, Melissa is an idiot but I really wanted Claudia gone. Melissa had the rest of the team believing that she's put on productions, giving them reason to follow her. Claudia gave them no reason to follow her - and she's likely the least famous so she needed to be namedropping or listing credits. Contrast that with Khloe on the Zappos challenge - after initial chaos, she was able to take control.

Joan probably figured she could snooze through the Boardroom, since she was the bright spot. Then Melissa woke her up in order to get some backup and she was on again. You have to figure it's automatic for Joan at this point. One whine of "Mother" and there Joan goes.

Speaking of, how Claudia held her tongue about that producer credit to not bring up Mom's role is a shocker to me.

I actually missed the "meltdown" but the fact I see little mentioned about it here so far tells me that either the advertisers or the editors are dropping the ball. If this is the angle they think CA needs in order to get the viewers, at least with this episode it appears misguided.
sofa addicted
Since this was a product launch, there was no need to impress the people in the audience with what the phone can do. They already know what the phone can do, they are part of the company that makes it. The idea of a launch is to kick off the product with a bang, and the men's team did that. They had the audience clapping along and standing and chanting the company name.


That's exactly what I was thinking. I've been part of the audience of employees for new product or concept launches and they were all big pep rallies designed to get us so excited we were actually enthusiastic about going out to market the new product or adapt to the new concept. The men tapped into that with a patriotic demo of the phone bringing a soldier closer to his loved ones before moving on to a rousing hot concert that demanded audience participation.

I found the women's presentation to be terribly acted and lame, hitting a real low spot with a corny and cliched marriage proposal. I thought Joan sounded as ill-prepared and poorly-rehearsed as she actually was, pulling out a few of her sure thing jokes from her bag of tricks and updating them a bit. Even though she's a total pro, it wound up sounding more like an extemporaneous QVC pitch than a polished presentation for an important new product.

I wish Claudia hadn't pointed out Melissa's face to me, I really started looking at it and wish I hadn't. It's so true that nothing above her mouth moves when she talks. Scary to think what a mask she'll have by the time she gets to be Joan's age.
GilvearSt
But the 'Jump in, Mother' cost her the Awesome Points. 'Jump in, Mother' Really? From a grown adult woman? On a show like this? To *reinforce* her argument? Um, no. Grow a pair, sweetie, and jump in yourself.


And seriously, what can Joan add? She wasn't there for most of the task. Claudia was right in that Melissa was obnoxious during the brainstorming, talked over other people and kept throwing out her new ideas when it was time to polish up the ideas they already had. She was a huge part of the chaos and she can't take criticism in anything resembling a professional manner. Claudia's chat with her on day one could have been handled a bit better, but Claudia focused on behaviour rather than personality; it was Melissa who claimed that she was being personally attacked. Melissa got more done at the end of the day, so getting rid of Claudia was the right call, but Melissa was no innocent angel in all of this and that she looked to her mommy to bail her out only further speaks to her immaturity.

The men's team did a great job. The first thing I thought when Trump said video phone was "who in the hell doesn't just use their webcam?"" but once over that the next thought was military and Jesse making that happen was a great call. That video was really well put together, tugged at all the right heartstrings and tapped into the respect people hold for Military service. Even Brian's concert was s good idea. You need to get the crowd pumped up and some singing and dancing was the best way to go. The dancing with the phone was cheesy, but overall it was a strong performance.

Dennis was a jerk and I wish he'd quit for good. Brian should have let him back in when Dennis offered to help get the monitors for free, but if Dennis had been sincere, he would have made the call even after Brian had said no. Did they ever show how this was resolved?

Khloe certainly underperformed, but theirs is a team of eight people and there isn't always equal work for everyone. She probably should have voiced her concerns a bit loader during the brainstorming and helped out a bit more here and there, but if the men could get the task done with half the people, I can see that the women probably had too much staff for everyone to be involved from start to finish.
Snark Shark
I don't care that IMDB doesn't list if she produced or not. It doesn't matter because in the end Melissa was the only one able to organize together a presentation.

Sure it matters, if she's lying about being a producer. If makes her a liar, if nothing else.

I DID just read on another board she HAS produced some direct to video type stuff about Pregnancy and child rearing (whether or not she had other co-producers on those it didn't say though). But the Red Carpet Specials, as she claimed? No.
Lambchop
Or could those (gasp!) be other people doing the job you just lied to the American public about and claimed to be doing yourself? Because FAR BE IT for Melissa Rivers to claim credit for something she DIDN'T do! Nope! She'd NEVER do that, right?


She needs to STFU and get a secretarial job.
Madmarsha
I don't love Melissa and I totally call BS on her "career" as a "producer". She wouldn't be on TV if it wasn't for her mother, and she has done nothing since getting her foot in the door to "earn" her right to be there. The only other thing I've heard about her doing is riding horses. So I checked IMDB also to see what producer credits she had for projects that didn't involve her mother but NOTHING. Not even for the red carpet shows. So total BS. With that being said, she was able to wrangle together a show so she had learned something.

But will someone tell me what a "vignette" about getting a quick phone call from someone telling them they have to see them in person and then a staged fake wedding proposal has to do with a VIDEO PHONE? I mean, they could have had him proposing by VIDEO PHONE on bended knee with a courier delivering the ring on VIDEO. And why didn't they just video the "dad", too, instead of having him on stage? True, the BM concert had nothing to do with the phone (they could have come up with some new lyrics to one of his songs as a jingle to accompany the presentation) but they had already rocked the "soldier" commercial.

But I don't know why I'm watching this crap.
hjmugillecuty
How many people do you think thought it was a real proposal? When people gave that a standing ovation I figured they thought it was real.

As soon as Jesse said military I knew they had it, unless he couldn't get back on time.
KerleyQ
Did Melissa really turn to her mother, Joan Rivers, and say "will you jump in please, Mother.." when Claudia was giving her critique of Melissa?


Yes, yes she did. And it was awesome. Really, Melissa? You just asked your Mommy to jump in and fight your battle for you? Are you not an adult here? "Will you jump in please, Mother?" That pretty much said it all right there.

Claudia's "congratulations" to Melissa's claim to have produced the past 12 years of red carpet specials was perfect. I wanted to high-five her through my TV.

I was half-expecting the men to lose again, because I could totally see the storyline of what was going to happen in the boardroom playing out throughout the episode. First, you have Clint getting progressively pissed off at Brian over the whole task and his role in it, with Brian taking all the performer and artistic roles for himself and tossing Clint the grunt work. (I really think Brian took a certain amount of pleasure in that for some reason, too. Like he saw Clint's desire to be a part of the artistic staging of the whole concert thing as a personal issue, and he wanted to put him in his place, he almost had a little sparkle in his eyes when Clint was ordering pizzas.) Then Dennis comes back, claiming to be ready to work, actually trying to participate (I totally called it after he stormed out, I looked at my husband and said "and soon he'll be back, totally fine, like nothing happened"), and even offers up something that they need at no cost instead of the thousands of dollars it's costing through the original source they've found, and Brian wants nothing to do with him, but Clint, the one Dennis went off on in the first place, is totally cool with him and seems to be trying to encourage Brian to work with him but not making the decision for him. Ivanka even comes in and says, after scoping out the situation, that Brian should suck it up and let Dennis take part in the task. I totally saw a men lose, Dennis and Clint are both blaming Brian, the other guys weren't there when Dennis came back, so they have no idea what happened when he came back and can't really speak to that, but Clint brings up the whole Dennis jumped in and offered to get the monitors for free and Brian flat out refused to let him do it example. Ivanka shares her observations that Dennis was there, he wanted to work and Brian wasn't having it, and Trump cans Brian. It was so laid out for us, I was really surprised the men won.

One thing I noticed in the boardroom, I think that, outside of Brian, the other men actually kind of like Dennis. That whole joking around when Trump was talking about whether each guy could beat Dennis up (which, btw, what the fuck is with Trump's fascination each season with that? Last season it was who could beat up Lennox, this season it's who can take Dennis, shut the fuck up, Trump, yeesh), seemed awfully jokey and friendly, not like guys who dislike each other. And Dennis, to hs credit, seems to be honestly trying to make good with the guys for whatever reason (and it apparently doesn't last long as he's back in the booze in next week's episode), but when they were announced the winners, he was congratulating the guys, and made a point of telling Brian he did a good job. The guy's got issues, no arguing, but I do honestly believe that, once he got that outburst out of his system and he came back, he did have good intentions, and he would have helped had he been given a chance.

My take on the whole "managing Dennis" thing? I think he's manageable if someone really steps in and does it. But, everyone is just ready for him to be this loose cannon and totally unmanageable (and to need a babysitter) that they just don't man up and tell him what the fuck he needs to do and to just fucking do it. I'd love to see Jesse be the PM and manage him. For example, the beginning of the task, when Dennis was off by himself and they called over to him and he said "oh, you guys got this" (when he was being all pissy about the team shutting him out or some such shit), that's when Brian, as the PM, needed to say "no, this is a team activity right now, you're part of the team, get over here." I also think the big blowup wasn't nearly as heated and spur of the moment as it would seem. I think he needed to blow off some steam in some way, so he sat on those steps, and he planned out what to say, and he waited and picked his target. And he picked Clint because of a couple things. One, he knew Clint wouldn't actually make it a physical thing, and he had zero intention of getting physical, he just wanted to blow some steam off, make a scene and have a reason to storm out of there and go be alone for a while, because he's pissed off that he feels his team doesn't want him around. Two, he figured that, of the men left, he had kind of bonded a bit with Clint, and when he came back, he and Clint would be cool. And, he was right on both counts. Clint was fine with letting the whole scene blow over, and of course, Clint was not going to get physical with a guy twice his size. He let him vent, let him walk out, and welcomed him back when he came back, encouraging the PM to let him in on the task.

As for the women, Trump is not firing Brandi for a very long time. He's infatuated. You can tell he just wants to talk to her and be around her. He has his men each season he likes being around because it makes him feel important and powerful (hence all his "can you take so and so" macho bullshit), and then he has a woman or two each season who he likes having around to flirt with. But I think, by far, this is the most he's been into one of the women, and he's going to keep her around as long as he can, unless she just totally craps the bed and there's no conceivable way to fire anyone but her. But he'll try to find other scapegoats in her place when he can.
mumbles
West Point is open to the public. ANYONE can walk in the front gates and snag a cadet.


I was actually wondering about that....it seems to me that the military runs a pretty tightly-wound PR operation. I'd think you'd have to clear the cadets' appearance on this through a few levels of approval.

Also, while at first I thought Jesse's idea was very good, it's not as potent, given that their families etc don't have a video phone on their end.

Both presentations were lame - that finale of the women's was something from "Laugh In" - I did think the women actually did more with the product, as opposed to the Brian McNight concert, as presented by VideoPhone Company.
Lambchop
Instead of saying "congratulations" I expected her say something to the effect that her mother probably was responsible for any success she may have had with those productions.


Hee! That would have been awesome.

Maybe Melissa did a lot of work on this task, but there's something about her that just bugs. If she's good at stage production, then why does she have a career doing something behind the scenes? I don't see that she has any talent as an "on-air" personality. But almost every time I see Joan Rivers on TV, she's got Melissa beside her.
Bigwheels1971
I can honestly say that I was starting to forget T-Boz (sp?) was on the show until tonight.
KerleyQ
Both presentations were lame - that finale of the women's was something from "Laugh In"


Yeah, when one of the women (Claudia, I think) was mocking the men's presentation for the concert/dancers dancing with the phones finale, I just laughed at the irony of that coming from the team who put out that rhythmic gymnastics neon crapfest finale. I fully agreed with the person in the audience who said that they would like to combine Joan with the men's video package (the military stuff). That would have been perfect.

I think what really killed the women was that the last impressions of their presentation were the above-mentioned neon disaster and the non-phone proposal. Touching proposal moment? Yes. Great relation to the product? No. For one, where were both of the participants supposed to be? Was one of them outside? If so, they couldn't both be on the video phone. I just think they wanted their proposal scene so much that they didn't care if it was relevant to the product they were presenting.

Joan, as always, though, kicks ass. What, though, is a "musher"? (Someone who's mean to Melissa?)

I can honestly say that I was starting to forget T-Boz (sp?) was on the show until tonight.


I forgot the golfer was on the show. When they showed her fixing Joan's flight arrangements, I thought they had dragged one of Trump's admins in to schedule the flight for them. Then they showed who it was, and I said "oh, that's right, her!" Was that the first time she's spoken on air in weeks?
kamaiina
Annie Duke is twittering live tonight. There's also a link to her BLOG and I am actually starting to like her a little bit.
Former Nun
Sure it matters, if she's lying about being a producer. If makes her a liar, if nothing else.

I DID just read on another board she HAS produced some direct to video type stuff about Pregnancy and child rearing (whether or not she had other co-producers on those it didn't say though). But the Red Carpet Specials, as she claimed? No.

Published reports say that Joan and Melissa Rivers were "fired" from their Red Carpet hostess jobs at E! Then they went to the TVGuide channel to do the same sort of work and were "fired" again. If Melissa was the producer for either or both, how did she let that happen? She has learned in showbiz if she names it she claims it. Soon it will become part of her history, biography, and resume'. "I'm a producer!" "Remember when I came up with that concept on Celebrity Apprentice?" BINGO! It is written.
Sunkissed
Trump as usual laying it on hella thick- 'I think you're terrific', 'you're going to be a big star'.She opens cases and either smiles and claps or pouts and sighs depending on the $ amount along with 20(?) other models/wannabe actresses. I didn't even catch her last name. All that excessive flattery is even more laughable considering she did a crappy job as PM and was the first woman fired.

Can't stand Dennis Rodman and couldn't care less about his many 'issues' real, imagined or manufactured for this show.

If Joan's face cost her 150K, I wonder how much Melissa's invested in her expressionless mug......
trojan69
Did anyone else laugh when the question of the $5K monitors came up? What a load. When is the last time on this show that the budget for any team was an actual component of TD's decision?

This was a particularly BS ep. The client forcefully dictated, to each team, that creating an emotional connection to the phone was everything. The soldier's call home was decent enough. (And anyone who thinks the soldier's script wasn't vetted by at least two levels of USMA leadership is kidding themselves) But, the decision, as it turns out, was all about motivating the employees. This was nothing more than a pep rally task, as other posters have mentioned. As disjointed as Claudia's leadership was (largely due to Melissa's subterfuge), she never once strayed from the target. She was one of the better PM's I've seen on this whole series.

Anyone care to establish odds on how forgiving Ivanka would be to any underling who ventured anywhere NEAR the intimidation maneuver DR pulled? Yeah, she would urge reconciliation and understanding, and daddio Donald would be ever so understanding that some people are simply passionate and to be tolerated as they threaten his little girl.
Snark Shark
The funniest thing of ALL?

I read on another board that ACN is an MLM. Which is only a hair off of a Pyramid scheme if you know what that is.

The little commercial they had tacked onto one break smelled like MLM to me when I saw it, and a quick Googling seems to indicate that this is indeed correct. ACN is in the business of selling packages to be an "ACN representative" just as much or more than selling actual telecommunications. Even their OWN webpage admits it, though they nice it up a bit and don't talk about all the hidden fees other stuff on Google admits to.

http://www.acnintegrity.com/nopyramidscheme.html

I hope our lovely recapper twigs to this and ROASTS Trump for putting these jokers on.
Kittenrescue
Since this was a product launch, there was no need to impress the people in the audience with what the phone can do. They already know what the phone can do, they are part of the company that makes it. The idea of a launch is to kick off the product with a bang, and the men's team did that. They had the audience clapping along and standing and chanting the company name.


That's exactly what I was thinking. I've been part of the audience of employees for new product or concept launches and they were all big pep rallies designed to get us so excited we were actually enthusiastic about going out to market the new product or adapt to the new concept. The men tapped into that with a patriotic demo of the phone bringing a soldier closer to his loved ones before moving on to a rousing hot concert that demanded audience participation.

I found the women's presentation to be terribly acted and lame, hitting a real low spot with a corny and cliched marriage proposal. I thought Joan sounded as ill-prepared and poorly-rehearsed as she actually was, pulling out a few of her sure thing jokes from her bag of tricks and updating them a bit. Even though she's a total pro, it wound up sounding more like an extemporaneous QVC pitch than a polished presentation for an important new product.


They were treating this task as if they were an ad agency coming up with a commercial - instead of the pep rally it was supposed to be.

The men's video presentation was more polished than the women's school play production.

I saw the company's real commercial - and I wonder who's their target audience. In order to use the product, everyone you call would also have to own one of the phones. Plus, I'd imagine most people use a webcam to avoid long-distance charges.
rockinmyredsox
West Point is open to the public. ANYONE can walk in the front gates and snag a cadet.


Actually..it is NOT open to the public; no military base is completely "open" after 9/11. We were stationed at West Point during 9/11 and just visited again recently and you either (a)need a military post sticker on your car (b)have orders stationing you at West Point ©have a visitors pass from the visitors office allowing you on post for a specific reason or (d)have someone in the car with you who is stationed there; in that case, that person shows their military ID and everyone else in the vehicle has to show some form of photo identification. ALL military bases are like that now, 100% ID check; even though West Point is technically a school, there are still soldiers, teachers who are in the military, etc. that are stationed there. I am sure Jesse, or whomever made the call, had to go through the PAO (Public Affairs Office) to get permission to come on post & wrangle a cadet; I am also sure it wasn't difficult as this was going to be shown on TV and had some "star" power involved (ie them showing Jesse & Herschel meeting some of the troops/cadets).

Did anyone else wish that when Claudia said the "Yeah, Congratulations" to Melissa about the producing thing, that Melissa had spouted "Oh and what do you again? Oh yes, that's right...go back to holding a suit case on stage and oooo'ing and ahhh'ing for Howie"? Just me? OK...
Snark Shark
rockinmyredsox, they'd better update their website then, because they still claim to have the same guided tours they've always had. Plus, there's a museum right there on the grounds, open every day as well, and an endless array of public sporting events and concerts. Maybe this is just an interpretation of "Open to the public". You can walk up to someone, say you want to be on the tour (yeah, you DO have to show an ID though) and you're in.

What they don't allow, and I'm not sure they ever did, is unaccompanied visitors. So yeah. In that sense you are right.

As for cadet snagging? Even if you couldn't snag one while with a tour guide, my recollection is that all you have to do is walk across the street from the front gate and go to any one of the many restaurants or shops in town there (I believe the town is named Highland Falls). I recall the streets being filled with cadets. I suppose the smart ones would still insist you have to contact the PAO though.
Lisette
Anyone else think that Trump has a crush on the Shannon Tweed lookalike?

Definitely, and he's at his most obnoxious over it. (If I remember correctly he reminded Brandi in ep1 that she'd even turned down his pass back in the day, long ago.)

I always find his voyeuristic interest in TA's participants' sex lives creepy, but it's even more so to have his kids there while he's drooling over someone.
Snark Shark
I saw the company's real commercial - and I wonder who's their target audience. In order to use the product, everyone you call would also have to own one of the phones. Plus, I'd imagine most people use a webcam to avoid long-distance charges.

Kittenrescue, they're a legal pyramid scheme--an MLM. They know you need someone to call, so they hook you into paying them more money to get a marketing kit to sell units to your friends, family and random suckers. Who they also try to hook into buying marketing kits.

Trump is REALLY lowering himself, even more than usual, dealing with folks like this. And NBC allowed them to insert an ACTUAL commercial for this into the show (as if the whole episode wasn't ALREADY one?). Yuck. Just yuck.
Portlandian
This episode actually had a bit of suspense. Early on I was thinking--ooh, women lose, because they are showing them for once. But then they showed a lot of reasons why the men could lose. Until the presentations, when it was clear that the men's show got the audience going a lot more. Anyone think that they fed the audience a few drinks before hand? They were awfully excited for some so-so jokes from Joan and an ok R&B song.

Maybe it's easy to lose track when you're in the heat of the moment, but you'd think that they would all figure out that you should never shut out a team member. Someone causes trouble, you assign them a task--if they do ok and you win, you get credit for leadership. If they punt it and you lose, you got a scapegoat. I would have said to Melissa, sure honey, you want to produce, you got it. Then Claudia could have sorrowfully said, gee, I got to put this one on Melissa, rather than saying I had a hard time working with her. Same with Dennis, so he can't come in again and say--not my fault, they didn't let me do anything. Would be interesting (though a bit scary) to see Rodman as the PM.
AuntCarol
And what was up with Jesse's "Tyrone" comment? He couldn't say "Tad" or "Troy"?


I think Jesse is probably friends with a lot more Tyrones than he is with Tads or Troys.

And on that note, at the risk of being thought classist, it's difficult to feel sympathy for Joan's crankiness as she hauled her tired butt out of said private plane and into her stretch limousine.


Oh I don't know, I bet she was tired! She finished a show at 11 p.m. got to the airport by midnight, flew for 5 hrs. while working on the presentation and the cue cards, etc. Pretty good for a 70+ year old woman. One thing about Joan...she is one HARD WORKER.
Vermicious Knid
The first thing I thought when Trump said video phone was "who in the hell doesn't just use their webcam?""

Which is exactly what I asked the guy at the job fair trying to recruit sales reps last month. I got a song and dance about how webcams don't have the right quality and reliability. And they didn't mention on the show that even if you get the equipment you have to pay $30 a month to actually get the video. They presented it as an independent contractor, like Avon but I'm not surprised it's an MLM. They are totally preying on people desperate for jobs.

Dennis does nothing, again, but gets away with it because the men finally won. If he really does need an intervention maybe he can go on the next Celebrity Rehab.
tonypitt
I am sure Jesse, or whomever made the call, had to go through the PAO (Public Affairs Office) to get permission to come on post & wrangle a cadet; I am also sure it wasn't difficult as this was going to be shown on TV and had some "star" power involved (ie them showing Jesse & Herschel meeting some of the troops/cadets).


Although I have no idea if it in any way was meaningful in this task, Jesse does have some "credibility" or perhaps contacts with the military to be able to make this happen. Allegedly one of the issues that created conflicts during the last season of his showMonster Garage was Jesse's trips to visit the troops in combat zones and travel to some pretty dangerous places. As I recall they did several military-oriented builds (using military personnel here in the U.S.) and then I believe they also did one "on location" build involving some troops in a combat zone.

I'm not saying that the military would have turned the women down, and I'm not comparing Jesse to someone like Bob Hope, but he does have credibility with that audience. His involving them in this task was very much in keeping with things he's done in the past.
pinkluxe1
It was great to have another challenge with no calling-your-rich friends (well for the most part), which I guess means we will be back on that format next week.

I REALLY dislike Melissa and I wanted so badly to agree with Claudia, but I just couldn't and I'm glad she was fired. On the other hand, I love Joan and I was actually laughing out loud at her jokes during the presentation.

I was in the camp that the women's team should have won because they featured the product more, but after reading many comments about the purpose of the event being a pep rally, it makes sense to me that the men won.

I am glad Trump asked why they didn't let Tionne perform, but I am convinced she wouldn't have wanted to do it even though she said she would have. I was a huge TLC fan when I was younger and she was always the stand-offish member of the group who really never showed any energy so I am not at all surprised that we are getting very little camera time with her. She is pretty damn boring. But I do hope we get to see her as project manager soon, though I honestly don't think she'll do a good job.

How many people do you think thought it was a real proposal? When people gave that a standing ovation I figured they thought it was real.


I figured the same thing.

But will someone tell me what a "vignette" about getting a quick phone call from someone telling them they have to see them in person and then a staged fake wedding proposal has to do with a VIDEO PHONE?


I was thinking the same thing. I didn't get how it was necessary to be on a video phone JUST to tell someone to come see them in person. You could do that on a regular phone and it have the same effect.

Whoever on the men's team made the catfight noise as the guys left the BR, please enter the 21st century. Kthnxbye.

I noticed that too LOL, and I had the same sentiments when Brian said "If you look up the word 'drama' in the dictionary, Dennis Rodman's picture will be there. Who even says something lame like that past the age of 10? I had been a fan of Brian McKnight in the past, even purchased several of his albums, but I was definitely turned off by his cockiness in this challenge.

The only person I can stand on the men's team now is Clint Black. I really appreciated his maturity with Dennis when he came back. I know I wouldn't have been able to do it. I can't even really say I like Jesse. There is something just so smug about him when he's on camera. His sarcastic, apathetic, monotone voice just irks me. Every episode I find myself wondering what the hell Sandra Bullock sees in him.
Trojangirldance
I think he should have pulled a double fire and let both Claudia and Melissa go. Claudia was right, Melissa wouldn't let anyone get a word in, she was constantly interrupting, etc. I thought it was funny how Claudia said "Congratulations" to Melissa's lying about her production credits. Big whoopie doo Melissa. You were given a task and rather than concentrate on it, you wanted to run the show. You should have been project manager if that's what you wanted to do. I think everyone backed Melissa up because they are afraid of Joan.

I thought Joan was totally in the wrong for the things she said in the boardroom. She wasn't there, she had no clue what had taken place. She was just pissed that someone was calling out her daughter for her annoyingness that she inherited from her. They will have to split that mother/daughter duo soon or everyone else on that team will be a casualty.

Clint Black, funniest line of the night "I was fixing to pull up a chair so I could deck him". Love him!
bumblehare74
I thought the men should have won, and I am glad they did.

The women missed a golden opportunity to boot Melissa, not that Trump would have gone along with it, and they didn't. IMO, there is no way that Joan is going to turn on Melissa, so there is a built in unbreakable alliance of two right there.

Why is Joan on this show if she is not going to be there all of the time? At what point in time is her lack of being there going to be used against her in the boardroom? My guess is never.

Why is Joan chiming in, in the boardroom in defense of her daughter when Joan wasn't there the day all of the drama went down, and why didn't Trump call her on it?


I admit it, I don't like Joan or Melissa, but Claudia taking pot shots at how Melissa looks was over the line. That was enough for me to side with Melissa. I am glad Claudia is gone. I am not too happy with Claudia's enablers that were in the car with her either.

I guess there is no such thing as gracious winners on this show. The way the men's team acted when they were watching the women in the boardroom was obnoxious. The women were just as bad when they won.

It was nice for Rodman to volunteer to get the equipment, but would any PM be smart in letting Dennis do it given all of the past drama? If Dennis gets the job done, then the PM looks like a genius. If Dennis drops the ball, then the PM looks like a fool.
mjbkrb05
Not as disruptive as Rodman, though. That guy's not even enjoyable to watch in this setting -- Apprentice is starting to feel like Jerry Springer.


I'm lovin' that they have to subtitle Dennis when he talks! I can't stand all the mumbling, marble talk! I'm always thinking to myself, WTF did he say???? The only thing I understand is, "it's all good baby..." because that is ALL he pretty much says! UGH!
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